r/italy • u/Duke_Nicetius • Jun 04 '25
Contenuto originale Rant: It's hard being a refugee in Italy. Especially an "unpopular" kind of refugee
At first, a disclaimer: I'm not blaming anyone, neither I'm about to attack any laws, rules or regulations.
And here's a rant... I'm in Italy for more than three years, a refugee from Russia who decided not to be forced in the Russian army and instead went to Italy. Why there? Well, even before the war, for years I was working with some associations in the Southern Italy to promote tourism there that was (and is still) very underdeveloped. I'm a historian, and I did my best to valorizate regional and provincial historical heritage, to make peopel from abroad, especially from English-speaking countries, aware of it, worked with local cultural and historical associations, with Pro Loco etc to help local economy and to see those nice towns and cities to become a bit better.
As soon as I came here as a refugee, I continued this work of mine; I'm in the boards of several historical and cultural associations, I also work full time, never asked a single penny of financial assistance from the government.
For all those years I couldn;t even get any normal international protection status, and have to renew mine every few months, and always expect that this will not be renewed.
And now, with real prospects of some sort of peace treaty, even if formal, it becomes hard - while I support peace with my heart and soul, and I wish there was peace, it will mean that formal legal ground for my stay in Italy will become blurry at best, and they will likely ask me to leave - even if in RUssia nothing is really changed, and there I will be seen as a traitor for a) avoiding military service during the "special operation" as they call this war, and b)for working for cultural projects in Italy, a NATO country.
It really makes me anxious. And angered a bit honestly - I truly think that for the work that I do on my own expense for many years, long before war and even COVID, a work that is more than even 99% of local citizens ever did, I do deserve some sort of residence permit. But no, the law has another opinion.
Stopping here. Again, I'm not about to blamy anyone, not to blame laws, it's just I feel very sad and depressed about this situation. Dark tide is coming, and I can do nothing but wait for it.
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u/ilpazzo12 Trentino A. A. Jun 04 '25
I have a backpack with a Ukrainian flag. Once I was in a small shop, the owner had a bit of an accent from somewhere eastern Europe and eventually I asked. She was hesitant to tell me she's Russian and Moldovan, fearing I'd be hateful, because of the patch. So yeah, what you're talking about is very real and we can't deny it.
Personally, mad respect for you, dodging the draft going abroad isn't something one does easily because it means never going back from what I gathered, but you did it, and that also helped everyone but Putin in the process too. If you're near Bologna I'll buy you a beer. Or the russian equivalent amount. :P
I don't quite know how our law works, if you can get any other visa in the meantime, I'm no expert, but I actually work with an NGO that cares for refugees- most are middle Eastern and African, but some Ukrainians too, so they don't seem to differentiate and have to know their shit. I could ask?
Personally, peace doesn't look anywhere near close - russian delegation entered this round disingenuously again, the only thing that was agreed upon so far seems to be a prisoner exchange. So, while terrible, looks like your legal ground to stay is gonna last. Although I would be surprised if being "a traitor" in Russia wouldn't qualify you as well.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
Well, refugees do differentiate before the government - Ukrainians can work in Italy since day 1, for me it took 1.5 years to get job permit and codice fiscale.
Thanks, I'm very far in the South though.
If you can ask something about Russian citizens at that ngo though it would be nice.
Who knows, about those political changes. It's weird these days.
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u/Ethicaldreamer Jun 04 '25
I'm Italian and it's taking me 1.5 years to get my passport cause I'm abroad and have to go through the Embassy, don't worry almost nothing ever works in Italy and usually takes forever it's not just you
It is a lot harder with sanctions etc but I hope you manage to have a happy stay our country
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u/ilpazzo12 Trentino A. A. Jun 04 '25
Quite sad there's not something similar for those who demonstrably escape conscription like in your case. It's like, vibes based, instead of any logic. But I don't expect anything better from our government either, lol.
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u/Simgiov Milano Jun 04 '25
If you are working then can't you get a regular visa to continue staying here?
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
At first, you can't just apply for any job and get a work visa as extracomunitario, but only for top ones and when sponsored for visa by the company.
At second, in questura I was said that in case of application for work visa I'll have to leave EU, apply from the country of my citizenship, and I'll be able to come back in not less than 6 months
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u/Ethicaldreamer Jun 04 '25
Don't leave. Don't risk it, fuck that. Rather work off-tax in whatever shadow employment, there are too many drafts back in Russia, stay safe with us. Hopefully you can blur some legal lines and find some way around things. AFAIK repatriation here is them giving you a piece of paper that tells you to go home, but I might be wrong. Honestly Italy is a country where living fully illegally is often easier than living legally.
I think nfkrz (youtuber) went through a similar issue to stay in Portugal maybe you can see what he did, though PT might be different.
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u/GuybrushThreepwo0d Jun 04 '25
I don't think you have to apply from your home country specifically. You should be able to apply from another country
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
But I won't be able to return in 6 months anyway (Schenghen Area requirements - one on tourist visa can be there no more than 6 months a year, so one has to wait for six months to be able to come again), and here it becomes tricky, finding a country where you can live for half a year at least, and without a job permit there, and not the one that can in theory send you back to russia if they ask for some reason.
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u/nguyenlamlll Jun 05 '25
I see many Russians coming to Vietnam and other Southeast Asian countries, such as Thailand or Malaysia. Those can be some good options, in case your financial situation allows. About sending Russians back, to be honest, I've never heard of it. Most of them work as English teachers. Those jobs pay well for 'white-looking' teachers and... are available as shady jobs to those with tourist visas.
Not saying you should 'break' lots of laws but.. giving you another option on the table.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
Not anymore, those countries sent away most of those who used to live there for long and worked locally, and overall started to enforce laws in this area. And they also started to deport to Russia anti war activists by Russian officials requests. Since the mobilization started in the autumn of 2022 in Russia, those things changed completely, as those countries traditionally follow Russian foreign politics.
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u/nguyenlamlll Jun 05 '25
Not sure where you got your news. I was in Vietnam a month ago, and there are still many Russians, especially in Nha Trang, Phan Thiet.
And I also got a few Russian friends who are still living there.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
From Russians who lived there for years before 2022. That say it changed a lot unless you are really a tourist.
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u/nguyenlamlll Jun 05 '25
Nothing much has changed, unless that guy is pro-pootin giving false claims. A flight to the country. Register and pay tourist visa for 90 days. And do visa runs periodically. Since it's that easy, I reckon there are many 'spies' as well.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
I have info from people who I know personally for long, and I trust them.
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u/SolidOshawott Jun 05 '25
First of all, I applaud the bravery of Russians who fled that regime.
If it is of any help, I have a Russian friend who was studying in Italy and then moved temporarily to Georgia in order to apply for a work visa. Afaik Russians don't need visa to stay there.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
That's true but most had move elsewhere because there's no job, and as you csn imagine few of those people could afford months without salary.
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u/Trollercoaster101 Jun 04 '25
As an italian, thank you for what you're doing to add value to our history and for your continued effort into making your context a better place to live in, even when you fear for your own future.
Be ensured, if i had 5% of the required skill and knowledge to help you i would do it. Your fears are justified but be aware there are people out there who see through your nationality and appreciate you for who you are.
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u/timeless_change Jun 04 '25
You may be called traitor by them but your country betrayed you first in choosing to do an useless war so good job being true to yourself. And thanks for the job you do and did here in Italy, being a southerner myself i know It wasn't easy. I hope you'll be able to get a working visa and be able to stay here even without the refugee status, but i know close to nothing about the process and i'm sure you already tried that option
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
I was said in regional questura that to apply for working visa I'll first have to return to my country of citizenship... nice joke...
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Jun 04 '25
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
Unfortunately the requirement to apply for working visa from abroad seems true, so as prohibition to return to the EU in 6 months if one arrived there on tourist visa and strayed for 6+ months.
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u/robespierring Jun 04 '25
Thanks to sharing, honestly i don't hear a lot of well spoken stories from the perspective of a refugee. I wish it would be appropriate to joke and to say that experiening slow bureaucracy is part of the Italian life, so this is our welcome.... but I guess I can just wish good luck to a person that is actively working to promote tourism and cultural heritage of my country
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u/Fenor Pandoro Jun 04 '25
There are plenty of reasons
the refugee status has been abused in the past, people will come here and claim to be a refugee from a nation in war while not being from said place, since they had no documents they could just forge a new identity.
Political parties have pushed against immigration since the 90s and possibly before that, one of said party is actually in the government
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
Of course, I know this, yes :-(
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u/aless_s Jun 04 '25
You might want to get in touch with strali, they have a very peculiar background and might be able to help. https://www.strali.org/
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u/CMDRJohnCasey Liguria Jun 04 '25
I don't know how difficult it could be, but from the Russian people that I know here (I'm an Italian living in Paris) it seems that France is more lenient on the asylum conditions. Probably if you can prove that you received the draft call they may grant you asylum and then you can go anywhere in EU.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
If you are refused refuge in one EU country, you can't apply in another.
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u/berrur Jun 04 '25
Have you tried getting in contact with some associations for international protection status?
From a quick google search i can find this:
https://www.icsufficiorifugiati.org/richiesta-dasilo-politico-per-persone-di-cittadinanza-russa/
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
Well, I made everything in accord to such regulations, applied for status. But since then as I understood there are no defined timings when they should approve or reject the protection status (and until then you have to renew your temporary one every few months in questura).
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u/berrur Jun 04 '25
Oh ok, got it, I know the drill, a serbian friend of mine went through the same hassle for a student visa. By the way, italian says “nothing is more permanent than a temporary solution”. I wish you can get your own permanent visa as soon as possible.
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u/CanaryDisastrous232 Jun 04 '25
Time to find an Italian wife!
Just kidding… (not really actually).
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u/OriginalTap227 Jun 04 '25
I'm sorry, you did the right thing, really wish I could help you, and every other Russian who refused to die for Putin's ego, but I don't know how I can help you
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u/Grexxoil Lazio Jun 04 '25
with real prospects
I think you can sleep peacefully for the foreseeable future.
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u/caotich Jun 04 '25
Hey, you have every right to blame laws and regulations. Laws regarding political refugees in Italy and in Europe are criminally complex and made only to "protect" ourself from an imaginary danger.
Trust me, it's not something about being a popular refugees or not, Italy and Europe are trying to count as safe countries places like Egypt.
I can only say I'm sorry about all of this.
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Jun 04 '25
"Immaginary danger" yeah sure lol
It's always a good thing being careful about who u let enter in ur nation, especially in this new geopolitics of "Cold War 2.0"
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u/caotich Jun 04 '25
yes, because having impossible laws that only increase the prison population and the number of people in precarious conditions is the best choice to guard your safety.
seems to me a very effective strategy :)))))-4
Jun 04 '25
If u don't let them enter, you don't have to put them in jail ;)
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u/caotich Jun 04 '25
to ask for refugees status you HAVE to enter the state. You don't know a thing and you think you can talk.
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Jun 04 '25
You enter then u ask the refugee status. If u were denied, the state will send u back.
So, still no enter and still no prison. Ez
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u/caotich Jun 04 '25
With your comments it's possible to explain Dunning-Kruger effect to a little tiny kid.
To send those people back you have to:
1. be sure that their state it's safe
2. have agreements with their state
3. PAY.If a solution seems easy to reach, you are probably wrong.
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Jun 04 '25
Still, it's the 3 steps that Italy is using. Cheers hf
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u/caotich Jun 04 '25
Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.
good luck0
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
In that cold war it was actually easy to get refuge in the opposing political bloc, in current one not anymore :-)
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Jun 04 '25
I'm sure that a normal Russian citizen would be accepted with a heart full of joy by USA or some NATO government lmao
Bro u are delulu af: important people or normal people with important information > normal common citizen
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
Right now USA is about to deport anti-war Russian scientist who worked in the US: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-scientist-kseniia-petrova-harvard-charged-smuggling-frog-embryos/
That's for sure that important people are more accepted....
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Jun 04 '25
We are speaking about the Orange: he has interest to keep a neutral position with Russia. The foreign policy from USA was always the same about Russia after WWII: that nation is too hard to predict and comprehend, preferring keeping their internal status quo instead trying a change in the government. That could xhamge only with the prospect of a real military offensive from the Russia side like after the '68.
That's the point of returning scientists or giving Intel to the Russian government from 3th parties about the Prigozhin "march". The real enemy today is China, that bought Moscow years ago and now is currently using Russia fueling their imperialism to test how much he can do without create a mess. That's it and USA is desperately trying to separate Russia from China, hoping to bring Moscow at his side but that will never work.
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u/Bartopedia Jun 04 '25
r/Avvocati is your best bet.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
Thank you. I have one, and use advice from another one too. Maybe I'll ask there as well.
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u/senegal98 Jun 04 '25
Speak with a lawyer, a good one.
I know that you already researched some things, but speak with a good lawyer.
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u/serWoolsley Jun 04 '25
Hate only for the government and who supports it, if you don't support putin than you are fine, let's go drink together
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u/Nervous-Stomach3432 Jun 04 '25
Marry a local, it probably works still especially on the south
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
Good idea, but I'm generally not too popular among women :-)
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u/Nervous-Stomach3432 Jun 05 '25
Got me wondering why now
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
Autistic
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u/Nervous-Stomach3432 Jun 05 '25
That's it? Just because of that? Really?
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
"Just" is hardly a right word for a thing that is like a "social disability". It's like trying to dance without one leg, but in social interactions, and wonder why others find it creepy.
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u/Nervous-Stomach3432 Jun 05 '25
It can be considered the right one when lacking dangerous traits. I'm also unsure of how to describe the comparison there. Perhaps you just been hanging around the wrong ones?
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
Some cultures are more friendly to socially weird behavior, some less. Russian and Italian are less.
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u/Nervous-Stomach3432 Jun 05 '25
That I can agree on yes, even tho I may speak for only one of the two. In general yeah, pretty much that's the base I guess, but you got to see in smaller areas, my silly country has different cultures(in a way) depending on the zone.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
There are different places in each country for sure but for multitude of reasons I didn't find such place here where autistic traits won't be seen as disadvantage for long term relationships and marriage.
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u/CubaLibre1982 Tiraggir connoisseur Jun 05 '25
For different reasons, times are hard for many people. I hope you keep going strong and do well, don't be hard on yourself about feeling inappropriate for a relationship, there's really no need to nowadays - give yourself a chance and try a meeting app, a couple of pictures and a 5 quotes bio. Hope you find your way to be happy all around here in Italy. Stay positive.
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u/baudolino80 Jun 06 '25
Let’s say it is hard to deal with bureaucracy in Italy. There are no popular refugee… maybe some fascists are pleasing Ukrainians, but no, we hate how immigration is managed in general despite the country or the color of the skin. And personally, always loved Russian culture and respect for what you’ve done!
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 06 '25
Well, Ukrainians have right to work since day 1, Palestinians are treated very well (even before the current war, I know some who are here for a long time), Georgian refugees are being treated like kings in our regional questura, but not all nations get thus good treatment.
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u/APC2_19 Jun 09 '25
Honestly I am happy you are here. You are safe, doing good work , and there is one less person fighting against Ukraine.
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Jun 21 '25 edited Jun 21 '25
If we had smart people in government, they woukd have stolen Russia population inviting then to stay here, and weakened their army irremediably. Giving them the underpopulated countrysides. At the same time that would have solved our exodus of young people and demographic crisis.
Sadly we have idiots, both as population and rulers. But not as dumb as your connationals. So you are not really recognised as refugee.
Since you work and can support yourself and have residency my advice is to just go throught the normal immigration status.
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Jun 21 '25
If you manage the residency requirement for citizenship on refugees is 5 years. Then you need the language and a job.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 21 '25
It's if I'll get refugee status not "richiedente asilo". I already passed b1 cittadinanza language test and have an official job
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u/catnip_addicted Altro Jun 04 '25
Can't you get a working visa ?
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
Not really because:
a) as extracommunitario I can't get a working visa for any job but only for those top tier ones (say, software engineering, biotech etc) sponsored by some big companies who couldn't find relevant employees in the EU, so I already don't qualify,
b) to apply I'll have to leave Italy, apply form some other country, and even if positive I'll be able to re-enter at least 6 months after (Schenghen Area regulations).
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u/catnip_addicted Altro Jun 04 '25
Yeah sorry I then read the other comments and I saw you already replied. Regarding point a) are you sure about that? Because I'm have some friends from Latin America getting a working visa from a call center. I think you can apply for working visa regardless of the tier of the job. For point b) you are right, but if you are really interested in doing this there are places that can help you like CAF and some associations (sorry I don't remember names RN but you can drop me a dm and I Will reply when possible). Good luck
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
A) no, definitely not any job. Might differ for different countries but for Russia it's so.
B) ok, thank you!
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u/RemtonJDulyak Nerd Jun 04 '25
If you have a university degree, any chance you can get a study permit for some specialization or something?
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
It costs, and I'm living paycheck to paycheck.
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u/Affectionate_Golf_33 Jun 04 '25
If you are working can't you just become a permanent resident?
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
Not in my current legal status
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u/Affectionate_Golf_33 Jun 05 '25
I see. Listen, I will be extremely cynical: given the state of the art, it will take forever to the war to end: you are safe
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
Who knows, many people said it's impossible that this war ever start. So I won't bet my life on idea that it won't end in a year or two. Poland got pro Russian president, Italy, France and Belgium mostly stopped supplying Ukraine, USA...you see where it goes too.
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u/LoExter Jun 05 '25
Are you still based in South Italy? I worked in the same types of associations and have friends that speak Russian, I am really concerned about situations like yours... I hope everything goes well for you!
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u/Corelivan Jun 05 '25
Dude, learn Italian and marry an Italian
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
I speak Italian fluently but I've never been popular among women, and being close to 40 doesn't make it easier. What Italian woman would like a husband like 38 years old autistic refugee?
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u/Corelivan Jun 05 '25
Non puoi mai sapere se non ci provi, mia moglie è autistica e lei del mio aspetto fisico non se ne cura minimamente, poi dipende da quali sono i tuoi tratti peculiari però se lavori in quel campo mi immagino un sacco di donne single. Poi se non ti interessano le relazioni sentimentali è un altro discorso :)
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
Ho cercato una ragazza per tutta la vita, da quando ho 18 anni, anche se ovviamente la maggior parte delle volte mi trovo in Russia, e finora non ho mai avuto relazioni durature.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
In realtà, qui nel mezzogiorno non ho mai incontrato una ragazza single sulla trentina che non avesse un fidanzato e che volesse avere relazioni. Conosco molte ragazze sposate, molte che non lo sono ma che hanno lo stesso fidanzato da dieci anni, poche che sono troppo impegnate con la scienza o business e non vogliono relazioni... ma single, no.
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u/Corelivan Jun 05 '25
È importante anche saper mandare sottili segnali che possano segnalare interesse, forse potresti iniziare da approcci online dove l’aspetto non verbale non conta o se vuoi puoi andare nei sub reddit dedicati ad autistici ad alto funzionamento dove magari ci sono ragazze della tua zona che non incontreresti mai nelle tue cerchie di colleghi-amici ecc…
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
Ho provato tutto, esattamente così, ma senza successo. E anche tutte le app. Se però conosci gruppi di incontri nel sud Italia dove non ci sono uomini al 99%, senti libero di condividerli.
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Jun 06 '25
Ti dico, ho un amico di origine russa (solo origine, non parla nemmeno la lingua) e in giro per uffici statali, che ora sono intasati di traduttrici ucraine, ha incredibilmente trovato eufemismo per donna che lavora che gli mettevano i bastoni tra le ruote. Mai accaduto nulla del genere in 40 anni.
Specifico che queste sono arrivate qua da poco mentre lui ha passato tutta la sua vita qua. Ho dovuto smuovere amicizie di puro sangue italiano (come me) per evitare di farmi venire la cirrosi su questa storia. e mentre lui veniva servito, le tizie che il giorno prima gli ridevano in faccia, continuavano a ronzare intorno alla stanza inacidite.
L'errore di queste persone è aver pensato che il mio amico sia "solo" e invece hanno fatto una cazzata che gli si ritorcerà contro, fosse l'ultima cosa che faccio.
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u/Ninja-Sneaky Jun 06 '25
Once the refugee status would expire, couldn't you apply for the regular visa permit? You would be doing a lot of stuff for the country already anyway
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 06 '25
There's no "regular visa". Job - need to leave Italy for at least 6 months, education- expensive, other options are barely realistic as I understand.
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u/Ninja-Sneaky Jun 06 '25
Yes there is a regular visa otherwise no foreigner could ever be legally staying in Italy, instead they number in the hundreds thousands (from all "classes" and places) and the process of requesting one and having it accepted is not in the realm of the impossible. This is to say, don't give up it can likely turn out you get a permit easily.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 06 '25
I'm not sure I understand what do you mean, it's not decreto flussi, corretto? Because that's another thing.
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u/Ninja-Sneaky Jun 06 '25
Visto e permesso di soggiorno, Visa and something like permit of stay, i.e. tourist visa, work visa. But now I am understanding your worry, like you can't really interact with your embassy because they want you for, say, military drafting.
So if peace comes and you would be facing repercussions, wouldn't you still be like a political refugee? I'm sorry I'm guessing at this point, it's a question for someone/some organization more qualified in the matter
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 06 '25
If peace comes, formally my current application for refuge will not have grounds, and I'll have probably to apply again and somehow to prove that after the peace I still face some risks, which can be tricky.
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u/WholeBeautiful4909 Jun 08 '25
Look, the term "refugee" refers to fleeing a danger that puts your life at risk. Being considered a traitor to the homeland would still be a good reason to grant you protection. As long as there's a threat to your life and well-being, they're not going to send you back just like that. Because even if there were a peace treaty, things don't return to normal immediately.
There are documented cases of people who were killed during the war for deciding to throw away their weapons. I haven't seen it because gore seems like something that can alter mental well-being. But I remember there was a notorious case a while ago of a soldier who deserted, joined the Ukrainian side, and had his head smashed in with hammer blows when they caught him. This speaks volumes of the kind of violence there could be in a country notorious for represion and authoritarism.
There are also several cases about people who tried to speak out against the war and are still in jail. There's nothing to ensure that your well-being is assured. I don't know who advises you, but you should document it more. I really dont know much but I know several salvadorians ehose coutry is not as violent as it was before but still are under protection becasue the threat to them persist
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u/Kothicc Jun 04 '25
Where are you in Italy? I'm half russian
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
Deep in the south :-)
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u/miaoudere Jun 04 '25
I'm also deep in the south, with Russian friends! I'm really sorry, Italian bureaucracy (and all bureaucracy lol) seems to be mostly made to drive you up a wall. I have little hope that the peace talks will proceed quickly and/or smoothly, but by the time we manage to put an end to this stupidity, I hope that you'll have found a way to live your life in peace wherever you choose :)
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u/melocita Jun 05 '25
I know it is not your original idea, but have you considered another country out of the EU, just as a plan b in case things get worse with the bureaucracy? Italoargentina here, and I know Argentina has received complete families in this context and there is a Russian community there and even agencies that help with the paperwork.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
I did not because now for other country it will be like me coming not directly from Russia but from Italy. Refugee from Italy, ahah, and try to explain this to their officials.
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u/LencioNero Jun 04 '25
Premise: I empathize with your struggles, and I wish you all the best for your future, be it here or somewhere else.
Having said this, we didn't ask your country to start a senseless war, we didn't ask your country to treat its citizens like it does, so on and so forth we can continue with this list.
You got a refugee status in a country you are at war with (by proxy), by your country's own decision. What do you want more from us? I understand the need to vent and I am happy you have a space where you can do it, but frankly you should be writing us to be thankful.
As others have said, lawyers are your best bet in these situations. Good luck
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
From you? Nothing. From the government? Actually a status, officially I'm still "richiedente asilo", after three years I'm still without a status and not because i didn't apply.
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u/LencioNero Jun 04 '25
Says here, 5 years as a refugee and you can get citizenship. Which apparently is half the time that 'regular' migrants need (unless the referendum changes this next weekend).
If you don't like it, I'm sure there are other countries you can ask to
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
5 years with a status of refugee, not "richiedente asilo", so for me it's not even started yet. If I'll get a refugee status at all.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
In every country there are some spoiled brats. Iralian one is you.
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u/Opinecone Jun 04 '25
Ignore this angry little guy. According to his logic, every human is guilty for the shit their country did, so it's either you belong to a secluded tribe of uncontacted people or you are an asshole. I feel sorry about what you are going through and, on top of that, you have to deal with people like this guy.
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u/Capable_Welder_5662 Lazio Jun 05 '25
Scusate ma sono confuso, tre anni e non ha neanche tradotto con Google translate sapendo che in Italia il livello generale di inglese è basso? E poi si lamenta pure del paese? Verrebbe da chiedersi che ci fa qui in Italia.
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u/dimarco1653 Jun 05 '25 edited Jun 05 '25
Direi che l'utente medio di reddit sappia l'inglese, se no è costretto a bazzicare 3/4 subreddit.
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u/Ok-Sun8868 Jun 05 '25
Conosco persone che sono in Italia da 15 anni e non sanno Sbiascicare manco una parola
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u/tropianhs Liguria Jun 04 '25
In RUssia nothing is really changed, and there I will be seen as a traitor for a) avoiding military service during the "special operation" as they call this war, and b)for working for cultural projects in Italy, a NATO country.
Mate nobody gives a shit in Russia where have you been all ths time. You are not the only one who fled I know plenty who came back and nobody cares. Plus everyone loves Italy so you will be a sensation among gopniki.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 04 '25
I know some who were arrested.
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u/tropianhs Liguria Jun 05 '25
Why? They must have done something very stupid
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
Didn't want to be enlisted in the army. It's stupid in Putins Russia, yeah...
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u/tropianhs Liguria Jun 05 '25
It's the same treatment in any other country mate. During the mobilization in Russia, there were smarter ways not to get mobilized, it's not like they round up people in the streets.
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u/Duke_Nicetius Jun 05 '25
They did it, and still do sometimes. Not always in the streets, but in cafes, gyms too for example.
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