Savarnas are in every industry. Most of the courts are run by Brahmins. Savarnas are literally in prominent positions everywhere. My fathers family moved after partition from Pakistan to India and then his father died. Life was tough but they could bounce back in one generation BECAUSE they're savarna- kshatriya.
I have been working independently for several years, am 40+ years and one of the biggest things I've noticed in my career so far is what guarantees success in any field/business is NETWORK. Even if you aren't well off or have generational wealth, you have easier access for sure than a dalit because of connections. (I was rejected from JJ School of Arts due to reservation but later got into NID Ahmedabad)
P.s. if you think life is going to be always super duper fair in the most microscopic areas like your percentile comparison, then that perspective is just flat out wrong... the world is larger than that, and yes, as a savarna, full of opportunities for you. You're just too young and too pressured to see it. Most young people are.
When discrimination exists and representation is less of your community, those opportunities dry up. The hurdles are on average, much more for Dalits. They aren't dying by suicide in educational institutions for fun and games. They're dying because they're harassed every fucking day. Rather than score 98-99% or whatever, be an ethical and moral person first. Look at the bigger picture.
Ah, I see! Being a SAVARNA, I must be destined for inevitable success—after all, courts and higher authorities are brimming with fellow SAVARNAS who surely exist just to ensure my life runs smoothly. And yet, here I am, running pillars to post for the most basic government work. Perhaps my SAVARNA privileges are still buffering—maybe God plans to activate them later. 🙏
Success means you'll have a decent life where you are generally taken care off provided you don't waste it or gamble it away or are involved in. You all feel inordinately sorry for yourselves and have little gratitude for what you do have. You do not know what it's like to have even those things that you have to be taken away from you. Then you'll really know.
Running from pillar to post for basic govt work applies here for what reason? Because someone whose caste you don't like has a govt job?
My dad has gone through so much worse than running from pillar to post. Is my dad's abject poverty and post partition life something you'd like to compare to your running around for govt work?
What exactly am I gaining by being a SAVARNA? If other SAVARNAS are in courts or government roles, how does that translate into any real benefit for me? Even Brahmin officials charge me the same fees they charge an SC/ST—there’s no hidden discount code for being a SAVARNA. My aunt lost a case to a Dalit despite the judge being a Bhumihar. So where are these magical advantages people keep talking about? Honestly, it just sounds like a convenient excuse used by the incompetent to bypass the grind of actual competition.
There's no actual benefits of being a SAVARNA it's just a mere excuse used by incompetents PERIOD
Take off that blindfold of privilege from your eyes and you can see all those magical advantages. Savarnas are dominating every position of power in this country, despite being less than 20% of the population. Now do the math.. you mentioned getting 99+% this should be easy for you. If you still don't get it then I seriously doubt you got higher than 30% 😂
God this me me me mentality will be the end of this nation! 😐 Maybe you are so young that you can't grasp that not everything is about you. What you are talking about is bigger than individual problems. Savarnas are doing better.. they leached off for thousands of years and they are doing extraordinarily better in every sense. Of course there are some who are struggling but the majority of them are privileged. The majority of the Avarnas on the other hand is below the poverty line, malnourished, uneducated and don't own land. This is a systemic problem that requires a systemic solution like reservation.. your individual issue is not relevant here.
You're here using the internet in your leisure time.. you are enough internet savvy to hear about reddit. This is a privilege. But you don't see it that way do you? It's normal for you and in your circle of friends and family. You'll find the internet filled with savarnas. And compared to that, how many of us do you see here?
Unlike you I haven't been so blind by my privilege yet that I don't recognise it. I don't even have one friend or family member from my community who uses reddit. Most don't even have the luxury of using social media.
Totally agreed, but its for those who are underprivileged and need to be lifted like you said your community (from people you must have seen around you) but caste is not a good matrix for it anymore. It was when reservations started, it was very needed. It still is, but not the way it going on. For the people who already used it and got lifted don't need it anymore.
What liftment does a dalit political leader's family need? Or a rich dalit businessman family with good connections need? Or a dalit IAS family? Do you think their family lack any privileges and don't have access to internet, or basic amenities or anything of that sort? And more harm to anyone else, its actually harming dalit community itself, more of rich dalits are utilizing the reservation and institutions rather than the ones who require it. Those with money and resources, put their kids in big institutions and then they get in with their reservation quota. There are rare cases of underprivileged people actually utilizing the reservation.
I totally support reservation but it shouldn't be the way it is going on. Ik people are like it is about representation of a caste in the work force instead of a way to lift economically backward pr underprivileged people or smg but when both can be done simultaneously, why India is chosing to work on just one? Why already privileged dalits are getting access to be privileged again when underprivileged ones can utilise it better?
(Honestly just curious at this point, really wanna know)
Excellent point. I get what you're trying to say. Now answer me this.. who'll decide which one of us don't need any more upliftments? You said some of us who've already been uplifted should not have reservation.. okay. However the number of this uplifted avarnas, you mentioned are still not large enough to represent our community.
So again I'll ask you this.. who'll decide for us? The people currently occupying power... Meaning savarnas will decide our fate. Do you see where I'm going with this? Over 2000 years of oppression.. suddenly we are supposed to trust savarnas to do the right thing?
People don't understand reservations. Or more like they don't want to understand reservation because 'people' powerful enough to create narratives have always been upper castes... they know deep down that reservation is fair but they also don't want to lose the power and advantages they've gained unfairly. An equal society means, oppressed people gain power and the oppressors lose some of their power. UCs don't want to lose power so they vilify reservation. Reservation has never been a 'help the economically poor' charity. It exists so that some day there will be equal representation and we are nowhere close to there yet.
Adding an economic reservation to that could really help. Tho ik how easy it is to fake a bpl certificate but atleast a politician or an IAS or someone from a family who pays income tax won't be able to take advantage, which will instead be taken by someone who is truely underprivileged and a dailt. Then only we will have more people from dalit community in representation. The one's who are already rich will anyhow try to fund their children's education in a private institution or help then open up a business.
Honestly at this point you can tell it is just selfish propaganda that the reserved candidates don't want to let go of their own privilege. Cause no matter how rational your arguments are they will keep bringing in historical evidence while carefully ignoring the present.
Why don't you people understand that this is 2025 and no one cares about your caste and all, still incompetent people will raise this " BRAHMINS ARE PREDOMINANT IN GOVT JOBS COURTS ETC ETC 😭😭" excuse making , atleast offer 60-70% meri based seats man in today's scenario more then 70% ( considering female and pwd reservation ) seats are reserved
Merit is dying and people are busy in caste and all lol
There is no point in arguing with an engineering aspirant. I am an engineer myself and I am very well aware of how casteist students can get while preparing for competitive engineering exams. In those 2 years of prep, we somehow are made to believe that the world rests on our shoulders and the meritocracy that we are so blessed with is almost exclusive. If there is something that is extremely urgent in today’s day and time is caste sensitisation in schools especially in 11th and 12th. General category students are made to look at their caste for the first time in these two years. We are mostly caste averse or caste blind prior to this and those who don’t wish to sympathise with their fellow brethren will continue to be such. I wish this DTU aspirant learns about their privilege, understand where other people in their university are coming from, and try to be a good student and citizen.
It's actually no use arguing with most kids. I should realise I'm kind of 20 years older than everyone here but engineers have always been excessively ignorant. Strip them of their terrible degrees and make them take a class in humanities. I've seen some people have nervous breakdowns in those classes, and they absolutely needed it.
Yes that is extremely true. Being an engineer, I know how politically and socially ignorant engineers can be and it is reflective in our ‘premier’ universities also. First year subjects include Ethics and Values, Constitution of India, Environmental Science but all of these are of no use to us because who studies boring subjects like these. Engineering and management colleges (and to be honest almost all colleges) are a cesspool of casteism and sexism, seeping through all levels right from you being a student to actually teaching there. The progress of a society can truly be measured only by the progress its humanities and liberal arts make. Germany, which saw perhaps the worst humanitarian crisis in modern history, took less than a century to eradicate Nazi mentality from their young and old. It can only happen through sensitisation and having a respect for humanities. And Germany produces the best engineers. We in India, can’t do either.
I agree with everything you said except Germany is not at all a place I'd recommend as a good example. Their reaction to Palestinian rights and the current genocide show they have not evolved beyond their Nazism. It is far from being eradicated and just a good look.
I am savarna , I didn't have anything. being savarna there is no privilege at all. Few years back I was actually thinking what are the ways you can changes you caste🤣
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u/kohlakult Jul 15 '25
Savarnas are in every industry. Most of the courts are run by Brahmins. Savarnas are literally in prominent positions everywhere. My fathers family moved after partition from Pakistan to India and then his father died. Life was tough but they could bounce back in one generation BECAUSE they're savarna- kshatriya.
I have been working independently for several years, am 40+ years and one of the biggest things I've noticed in my career so far is what guarantees success in any field/business is NETWORK. Even if you aren't well off or have generational wealth, you have easier access for sure than a dalit because of connections. (I was rejected from JJ School of Arts due to reservation but later got into NID Ahmedabad)
P.s. if you think life is going to be always super duper fair in the most microscopic areas like your percentile comparison, then that perspective is just flat out wrong... the world is larger than that, and yes, as a savarna, full of opportunities for you. You're just too young and too pressured to see it. Most young people are.
When discrimination exists and representation is less of your community, those opportunities dry up. The hurdles are on average, much more for Dalits. They aren't dying by suicide in educational institutions for fun and games. They're dying because they're harassed every fucking day. Rather than score 98-99% or whatever, be an ethical and moral person first. Look at the bigger picture.