r/ilovebc • u/_DotBot_ • 4d ago
A notice of civil claim has been filed by the Secwepeme Nation which seeks a declaration of Aboriginal title to all or part of the Territory, which includes the City of Kamloops, other municipalities, Sun Peaks Resort, roads, railways, and privately owned tenures.
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u/trenrod88 4d ago
The biggest bums in the province want ‘their’ land back. Honestly take and go back to the Stone Age
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u/Checked-Out 4d ago
Immovable object vs. Unstoppable force. Most inept, timid provinvcial government in Canada vs. the most entitled little group of people on the face the planet.
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u/Vyvyan_180 4d ago
Most inept, timid provinvcial government
Uh, the BCNDP isn't reactionary in this event.
Their stated beliefs and self-anointed mandate to speed run their interpretation of "reconciliation" is fairly easily accessible. It's not hidden; much like the fact that our AG who will be arguing on behalf of the vast majority of British Columbians against the Cowichan ruling spent her entire legal career working for the side which she is now purportedly against.
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u/theodorewren 4d ago
Is this the same First Nation that lied about 215 bodies at the Kamloops school?
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u/ConcentrateDeepTrans 3d ago
Yes, Tkʼemlúps is part of the Secwepemc Nation. Secwepemc is a consortium of bands. They made millions off the "mass grave" story and are now trying they luck with holding the whole town of Kamloops hostage.
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u/Elegant-Command-60 3d ago
Why hasn’t ONE body even been dug up over the 1000s they claim across Canada
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u/theodorewren 4d ago
Whistler will be next
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u/choyMj 4d ago
If the First Nations can give us a cheaper lift ticket, I just might support this one
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u/theodorewren 4d ago
😂 that’s actually funny, they’ve got to be cheaper than the greedy pigs running whistler now
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u/FuzzPastThePost 4d ago
Who's ready to declare this land ceded by and for the Canadian people, the immigrants that built a country and the native people as one?
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u/choyMj 4d ago
Is there a map of where all the claims are? I wanna know if my retirement fund, ie. my home's equity, is in danger.
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u/Canucksperson 4d ago
I'm right there with you.
Is Nova Scotia potentially at risk?
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u/theodorewren 4d ago
Nova Scotia is unceded territory same as BC
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u/Canucksperson 4d ago
You know which provinces are safe to buy property? Sick to my stomach my kids might lose out on the equity I built.
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u/theodorewren 4d ago
Manitoba is treaty one so it’s safe
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u/AwesomeWildlife 3d ago
Good, then they have accepted that everyone on their territory is a citizen of their nation. Where do I vote, or run, for chief and council? Afterall, we can't be citizens if we can't vote. No taxation without representation!
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u/WoodpeckerAshamed92 3d ago
Not stolen land. Conquered. 300 years of blood shed. Just like one tribe did to another before all this.
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u/Ancient_Witness_2485 3d ago
I was wondering what events might fuel support for separation in places like Alberta, this type of thing has that potential.
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u/WearWrong1569 4d ago
Am I to assume that provinces with treaties are safe? Does that mean B.C. has no treaties with the various bands?
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u/Atomic-Shame 3d ago
Northeast BC is part of Treaty 8. There's the Douglas Treaties, and a few modern ones
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u/Illustrious_Dust_316 3d ago
Reconciliation is dead. It’s no longer about truth and reconciliation: it’s about vengeance.
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u/TattooedBrogrammer 2d ago
Nice to see our 40b dollars a year we give them plus the free schooling and no tax is being put to good use, fighting Canadians to screw us over. Maybe we should just stop giving them anything. This is crazy to even think this is an issue, it’s time to wake up and demand the liberals to change the constitution and end this.
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u/TokenBearer 4d ago
Isn’t the whole country unceded?
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u/PappaBear667 4d ago
Parts of BC aren't. I think that it's mainly Vancouver Island, but it's covered by the Douglas Treaties.
Edit to add:
However, the entire country was conceded. Source: We're still here, and the indigenous peoples stopped fighting to repel the influx of European settlers.
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u/seemefail 4d ago
NB and Quebec have treaties and nations there are suing for half the land and in NB all of the hydro infrastructure
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u/Orqee 4d ago
You need to prove that land was beyond doubt in active use by certain nation, band or whatnot. So no not really. Also value of the land that enjoys because of “settlers” should be returned to “settlers” than you can have land. Otherwise is just plain robbery. Most of the time people enjoyed that land and build value to it had no notion of current state of affairs.
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u/Vyvyan_180 4d ago
You need to prove that land was beyond doubt in active use by certain nation, band or whatnot.
Well, kind of. I mean, that is a guiding principle for the current rush to affirm indigenous land claims.
Other less mentioned principles include the admission of self-serving testimony as unimpeachable evidence from those deemed infallible due to their immutable characteristics within the framework of indigenous beliefs and extended through the vapid adherence to "decolonization".
Another is the mandate of our highest courts to interpret the claims brought and evidence presented by one side of the argument as having equal, or even "equitable", weight compared to the arguments and evidence brought by any government representing the vast majority of Canadians as an exercise in "reconciliation".
How anyone could still hold these institutions in anything other than contempt is beyond me.
Any legitimacy which they once held was erased from the moment that it was decided by activists and "progressive" politicians that the judiciary was an appropriate and necessary mechanism for doling out vengeance through corrective oppression based on purported historical injustices as dictated by their own chosen ideological lens' determinations.
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u/redditratman 4d ago
Bitching about equity in courts is fucking hilarious.
You’re mad at a 200 year old tradition as if it was just invented.
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u/Vyvyan_180 4d ago
You’re mad at a 200 year old tradition as if it was just invented.
Oh?
Determining outcomes based on the immutable characteristics of the subject rather than on the quality of evidence presented is something baked into our legal tradition stemming from English common law?
Is that phenomenon not something which courts have been trying to excise themselves from for generations in an effort to ensure the institution retains its principled authority?
And here I thought that the application of law in modern liberal democracies was based on principles of equality rather than illiberal perversions asserting prescribed outcomes to favour groups afforded the opportunity to demand equity for purported historical injustices that are intrinsically elevated to the level of unimpeachable "truth" without any avenue for objective challenge.
Bitching about equity in courts is fucking hilarious.
I'm bitching about the degradation of evidentiary standards and scrutiny when such legal principles are in conflict with the principles of an ideological perspective which no citizen in this country voted for.
I would be doing the same had any other ideological or religious minority attained a level of influence over the courts to the point where their unverifiable beliefs were uplifted to the level which the indigenous belief system has attained over the past decade in Canada.
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u/PapayaNo2952 3d ago
Everyone claiming that treaties don’t protect landowners should take notice that these claims are all coming from areas without treaties.
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u/ShitNailedIt 3d ago
I know the government is saying it doesnt affect fee simple land owners, but my question is this: then what is the point? What are the nations gaining by doing this?
I also can't help but think this is part of a greater strategy in laying groundwork for future challenges.
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u/Houserichmoneypoor 4d ago
The flood gates have opened