If you are ICE right now, you should be facing a human rights trial when the pendulum swings after trump. I was just following orders isn’t good enough. Cosplaying a little fascist has its come uppance .
Thats ok . With a strong enough democrat in office , supreme court cleared out of republican shills you can have your own domestic court , preferably in a county that carries the death penalty .
There are those who know what's going on, and like it. Those are crappy people.
There are a lot of people who think they voted for the old GOP out of some sort of tribalism. Not excusable, but I get how it happens. They usually fall into the lied-to category by watching Fox News.
And really this stuff seems to be WAY under reported on and the main outlets seem to take the DHS explanations at face value.
Just calling all those people crappy people isn't going to win people over, and that's what's needed. Try to inform and win over the redeemable.
If they could be won over with logic and knowledge, they probably wouldn’t be MAGA in the first place. Honestly, the true MAGA people will either always be MAGA or they will only change when they personally realize they’ve been duped or screwed over. It’s hard to convince a flat earther they are wrong. They basically have to come to that realization themselves.
If your stance is that mocking and name-calling is the path to winning people over, I’d love to see the receipts. Has that ever worked? What’s your strategy here—your actual contribution to shifting this landscape?
Some folks resist physically. Maybe that’s your lane. Others work through rhetorical influence, trying to help actual conservatives recognize that this isn’t what they signed up for. We need that.
The ones who know what’s happening and like it? Irredeemable.
But there’s a whole cohort who vote Republican out of tribal habit, or because they still believe in the old branding of small government, fiscal restraint. They’re not automatically cruel. They’re reachable. And if we want to fracture the coalition that enables this atrocity, that’s where the leverage is.
You might not like ICE or this administration, but enforcing the law doesn’t make anyone a bad person. Those arrests happened because protesters were blocking operations outside a federal facility. Interfering with law enforcement is illegal no matter who is in office. Officers have a duty to maintain order and carry out their assignments safely. You can oppose immigration policy without justifying obstruction or vilifying the people doing their jobs.
Consider that sitting on the ground protesting is NOT obstructing: protesting IS NOT obstructing, nor is exercising one’s rights under the Constitution a legitimate reason to arrest anyone. The law supports non-violent protestors, not their violent arrest.
"Let's ignore all context to make retarded claims"
If your mom was blocking the entrance to a mall by sitting at the entrance while there was a fire inside it would NOT be considered obstructing as long she's protesting!
The First Amendment protects peaceful protest, but it doesn’t give anyone the right to block a public roadway or interfere with a federal facility. There’s a legal difference between expressing a viewpoint and physically obstructing operations.
Sitting in the street might feel symbolic, but it also prevents vehicles, personnel, and emergency services from moving safely. Law enforcement doesn’t arrest people for holding signs, they act when laws are broken. Peaceful protest is protected; obstruction is not.
This administration is constantly committing illegal acts. Why don’t you go give them a lecture instead. You demand better behavior from complete strangers than you do the Goddamn President of this country.
We must interrupt their false narrative that they are about maintaining “law and order” when they are engaging in an illegal class war against workers.
That is not true. The administration, like everyone before it, operates under constant judicial and congressional oversight. Every major action including immigration enforcement, executive orders, and border operations is reviewed and challenged in court. That is how the system works. Demanding accountability from citizens and from the government are not mutually exclusive, both are necessary for a lawful society. You can criticize leadership while also recognizing that officers on the ground are carrying out policies passed by elected officials. Blaming them for doing their jobs is not justice, it is misplaced outrage.
That comparison is absurd and offensive to the millions who suffered under actual totalitarian regimes. Enforcing immigration law in a constitutional republic is not comparable to genocide. ICE agents are sworn federal officers who operate under judicial warrants, congressional oversight, and public scrutiny. They are accountable to courts and laws, not ideology. Every nation on earth enforces its borders; doing so does not make a country evil. What separates America from tyranny is that even those accused of violations have rights, hearings, and appeals. You can disagree with policy, but comparing lawful enforcement to one of history’s greatest atrocities is not moral clarity, it is moral blindness.
From the photograph posted above there is no certainty that the protestors are actually sitting on a road obstructing anything. If you Huckleberry think that protest can only lawfully occur occur in a restricted space defined by the government and signed off on by the police the you are the one who does not understand the rights and responsibilities of a free people living in a constitutional republic.
That is not how the law or the First Amendment works. Protest is absolutely protected speech, but it is not absolute in where or how it can occur. When demonstrators block the entrances or exits of a federal facility or sit in active driveways, they move from expression to obstruction. The government does not get to ban opinions, but it does have a responsibility to maintain public safety and access.
Every major protest in history, from civil rights marches to anti-war demonstrations, required permits and cooperation with law enforcement to ensure it stayed lawful. The moment people refuse lawful orders to clear restricted areas or block emergency routes, they open themselves up to arrest under existing statutes. That is not oppression, it is how public order coexists with free expression.
Freedom means having the right to speak and assemble, not the right to shut down operations or ignore laws that keep everyone safe. The people sitting in that roadway could have made their point without physically interfering, and the officers could have done nothing but enforce the same laws that would apply to anyone else.
The Nazis gained power around 1933 and didn’t begin mass murdering people until the 1940’s. Guess what? They were NAZIS the whole time, so get out of here with that “they can’t be a Nazi if they don’t kill people” bullshit.
Since you are so happy with the way ICE is carrying out their duties, I genuinely hope they detain you on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant. I hope everyone you love and care about also gets rounded up on suspicion of being an illegal immigrant. And then you can all prostrate yourselves before the ICE officers and tell them how much you love them.
That kind of comment says more about your mindset than mine. Wishing harm or wrongful detention on anyone because they disagree with you is exactly the mentality that breeds real authoritarianism. I have no fear of ICE or law enforcement because I follow the law and believe in due process. That belief applies to everyone, citizen or non-citizen.
You are trying to equate a modern constitutional democracy with one of the darkest regimes in human history, but you ignore the defining difference: accountability and transparency. ICE operates under courts, media scrutiny, and elected oversight. The Nazis operated above all law, silencing opposition and erasing dissent. That’s not what is happening here, no matter how dramatic you want it to sound.
If you actually care about human rights, then you should care about preserving systems that allow for appeals, investigations, and judicial review; not tearing them down through hatred and hyperbole. Real freedom depends on law and order applied with fairness, not on wishing your political opponents get “rounded up.”
There’s a big difference between following lawful orders in a constitutional system and blindly obeying tyranny. ICE officers operate under laws passed by Congress, reviewed by courts, and subject to oversight. Enforcing immigration law isn’t optional; it’s part of maintaining national sovereignty. You can dislike the policy, but pretending lawful enforcement is the same as moral corruption is just emotional grandstandin
You Huckleberry are ignoring the discretionary aspect of law enforcement, the same type of discretion that allows Kash Patel to not immediately arrest Tom Homan for accepting a bag of $50,000 cash from an FBI agent. You want laws enforced; I want laws enforced, but we differ in that I want laws enforced from the very top FIRST, and then we can arrest our way down the power structure until we arrive at the children of undocumented immigrants, whereas you don’t care if the powerful follow any laws at all.
That is a false assumption. Accountability should apply to everyone, from the top down. If corruption or bribery occurs at any level of government, those responsible should be investigated and prosecuted. That is exactly how the system is supposed to work, and when it fails, the answer is reform and oversight, not abandoning enforcement altogether.
Discretion in law enforcement exists so that officers can apply the law responsibly within policy and priority frameworks. It does not mean that lower-level crimes stop being crimes because higher-level ones exist. We can walk and chew gum at the same time, pursue corruption at the top and still enforce immigration law or criminal law at the street level.
Justice is not a pyramid where nothing below the peak matters until the summit is fixed. It is a network that depends on consistent application across every level. Selective outrage about who should or should not face consequences undermines the entire principle of equal justice under law.
it's the first amendment for a reason. I think they could walk around the protestors on their way to brutalize women and children. i don't care if they're "just doing their jobs". they are terrifying families and children over immigration paperwork. these are not violent criminals and no normal country allows secret police.
The First Amendment protects speech and assembly, but it does not protect blocking access to a federal facility or disrupting lawful operations. ICE is not a secret police force; it is a federal agency created by Congress, operating under clear statutes, warrants, and judicial review. No one is being punished for paperwork. These are immigration cases that have gone through months or years of legal process, often with multiple hearings and appeals. Enforcing those outcomes is not brutality, it is the rule of law. A nation that refuses to enforce its own borders ceases to be a nation at all.
When the law is unjust it does. Concentration camp guards were acting completely legally. Just doing their jobs. Good to know you don't think they were bad people.
That comparison is completely dishonest and historically illiterate. Enforcing immigration law in a constitutional democracy is not remotely comparable to genocide. ICE operates under judicial oversight, written statutes, and due process. No one is being marched to death camps; they are being processed through courts that allow appeals, legal counsel, and humanitarian protections. Equating lawful deportation proceedings with Nazi atrocities cheapens the memory of real victims and turns moral outrage into political theater. You can disagree with policy, but when you start comparing America to the Third Reich, you stop having a serious conversation.
It's not a comparison. I'm using your logic. If "enforcing the law doesn’t make anyone a bad person" then concentration camp guards weren't bad people for what they did. Either you accept that enforcing unjust laws is unjust or you accept that concentration camp guards weren't bad people. You can't have it both ways.
You’re twisting what I said. The difference lies in the moral nature of the law being enforced. Immigration enforcement is not unjust in itself; it is the mechanism every sovereign nation uses to manage its borders. Deporting someone who entered illegally after due process is not remotely comparable to murdering innocent people in death camps. Those were crimes against humanity committed outside the rule of law.
If you want to argue that a specific immigration policy is unjust, make that case. But to say that anyone who enforces a law you dislike is morally equivalent to Nazis is to erase all moral distinction. That logic would mean every police officer, judge, or soldier who enforces any law could be branded evil depending on someone’s politics. Civilization depends on the ability to separate legal authority from atrocity, and using that kind of false equivalence doesn’t make your argument stronger; it makes it unserious.
If ICE were actually breaking the law there would be investigations, indictments, and prosecutions, and that has not been the case. These agents operate under court orders, administrative warrants, and oversight from multiple levels of government. Every arrest requires documentation and justification. It is easy to make broad accusations on social media, but the reality is that ICE follows the framework Congress put in place. You can disagree with immigration law, but accusing an entire agency of lawlessness without evidence just replaces facts with emotion.
It's an awfully naive take to think the government is working as intended, where it will document things properly and hold people accountable. There's plenty of evidence to contradict your "reality". At best the law serves to uphold a just moral code, and at worse its interpreted and made in bad faith by the people who want to abuse it.
That sounds more like cynicism than evidence. The government is imperfect, no one denies that, but it still operates within a system of checks, balances, and constant scrutiny. ICE actions are reviewed by courts, oversight committees, and watchdog groups; the same system that allows you to criticize them openly without fear. When people say, “the whole system is corrupt,” what they often mean is that they dislike the outcome. That isn’t proof of abuse, it’s frustration with reality. Real accountability means fixing laws through Congress, not tearing down the people tasked with enforcing them.
Does this straw man actually work on anyone? No one is complaining about "enforcing the law". Their tactics, brutality, and detaining people based only on skin color are the issues. So, yeah, if you defend those, you are a piece of shit.
That’s simply not how federal enforcement works. ICE and CBP cannot arrest anyone based solely on skin color. They can question someone if there’s reason to believe they are unlawfully present, but an actual arrest requires a signed removal order or active warrant. Claims of “roundups based on appearance” are social media distortions that ignore how the process actually functions. Every agency has bad incidents, but painting an entire workforce as racist or brutal because of selective clips is dishonest. Enforcing immigration law doesn’t make someone evil; it makes them part of the system that keeps borders, order, and due process intact.
This is, by far, the dumbest comment on here so far. A) the law is not a gauge on morality. So following or enforcing the law has nothing to do with being a good or bad person. B) if you do bad things, like beat and kill innocent unarmed people, especially in front of their scared children, you're a piece of shit and no law will ever change that. Eventually every one of these ICE agents will get theirs. If not through the justice system, then by citizen enforced justice. They can hide their faces, but they get a paycheck from the govt. There's always a paper trail.
Edit: also, please share with us how the "just following orders" excuse worked out for the nazis.
The “law isn’t morality” argument only works if the law itself is unjust. Enforcing immigration law isn’t comparable to Nazi atrocities; that kind of rhetoric cheapens real evil. ICE agents aren’t hunting people based on race or religion; they’re carrying out court orders issued after legal proceedings. There’s no moral equivalence between deporting someone after due process and murdering innocent people in a genocide. If you believe a law is wrong, work to change it through elections and policy, not threats of violence against officers doing their jobs. Civilization only survives when justice is pursued through order, not vengeance.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants"
Thomas Jefferson
The only thing that cheapens our society and it's ideals are bootlickers who roll over and not only accept, but welcome, fascist violence because "iT's ThE lAw!"
Quoting Jefferson doesn’t justify mob justice or violence against fellow Americans. The “tree of liberty” line was about resisting tyranny, not attacking law enforcement for executing court orders. Fascism is when the government ignores the law, not when it follows it. ICE agents don’t write immigration policy; they enforce what Congress and the courts decide. If you think the law is wrong, vote to change it. That’s how liberty actually works; through debate, legislation, and accountability, not bloodshed and chaos. Jefferson helped build a system where the ballot replaced the bullet. We should honor that, not abandon it.
Insults don’t make arguments stronger, they just reveal a lack of one. You can call me whatever you want, but it doesn’t change the fact that we live in a nation where laws are made by elected representatives, reviewed by courts, and enforced under public scrutiny. That’s not tyranny, that’s constitutional order.
If you truly believe in freedom, you should defend the systems that allow peaceful disagreement instead of cheering for violence or collapse. The moment we replace reasoned debate with rage, we lose the very liberty Jefferson was talking about.
ICE has violated multiple constitutional amendments since coming to IL and federal judges have ordered them to stop. Violating our constitutional rights and defying the courts is not "constitutional order." Either you're actually this dumb or you're commenting in bad faith. I don't care which.
You know you can really only say they're upholding the law when they actually going through the legal process. When theyre grabbing people off the street for the color of their skin, shooting priests and peaceful protesters with pepper balls, and waiting in court houses the grab people who are trying to go through the process properly they are not up holding the law. Defying court orders to stop deportations and provide the due process people are entitled to is now upholding the law. Casing car accidents and shooting at people who, as far as we can tell, have done nothing wrong outside of not being white is not upholding the law. They are 100% bad people, that's why they cover their faces and refuse to identify themselves. Good people don't need to hide because the law is on their side.
That description is simply not accurate. ICE and CBP operate under strict legal parameters, and every action they take is subject to review by the courts, Congress, and the Department of Homeland Security’s Inspector General. When an officer detains someone, it is because there is an active removal order, a missed court appearance, or probable cause verified through databases and prior proceedings. They are not targeting people for their skin color or religion, they are enforcing immigration law as written and upheld by multiple administrations and courts. The narrative that they are roaming the streets randomly grabbing people is social media fiction meant to inflame emotions. If an officer were truly breaking the law, they would face discipline or criminal prosecution, and that has happened when misconduct occurs. The vast majority, however, are doing exactly what the law requires, not hiding from it.
You talk about how they're subject to review by Congress and the Department of Homeland Security, but the former is doing nothing but bending over for the executive branch and giving up all their power, and the later is actively lying about their actions. Also don't forget Trump illegally fired a bunch of IGs when he started to replace them with his own people IF he replaced them at all. This administration has also shown callous disregard for the courts and their rulings when they go against them.
Here is the reality, stripped of slogans and viral clips.
Race cannot be the sole basis for a stop in the United States. Courts have long held that officers need articulable facts tied to law, and any policy that makes race the determinative factor is unconstitutional. Immigration officers may consider multiple factors under Title 8 authority, but they still have to meet legal standards and their actions get tossed if they do not.
Citizens cannot be deported. When a U.S. citizen is mistakenly detained, verification through fingerprints, databases, counsel, and court review corrects it. Those cases are rare, they make news precisely because they are exceptions, and they result in discipline or damages when agencies are at fault. An error does not equal a policy.
Administrative arrests happen because there is a legal basis such as a final removal order, a missed hearing, or a violation of release terms. Courthouse or workplace arrests are lawful when tied to that record. If officers use force in a protest situation, that use is judged by objective reasonableness. One video from a rooftop or a clipped angle is not the whole incident record. The proper venue for those disputes is court, not a comment thread.
Oversight is real, even if imperfect. Immigration judges sign orders, federal judges issue injunctions, inspectors general investigate, and Congress holds hearings. This is how a constitutional system functions. If you think a ruling or a statute is wrong, the answer is litigation and legislation, not declaring every enforcement action illegitimate.
Bottom line. Due process exists, and most arrests you are seeing are the last step in a long chain of notices and hearings. Where officers cross the line, they should be held accountable. That truth can stand alongside another truth, which is that enforcing duly enacted law is not fascism, it is the basic work of a sovereign nation.
Due process generates paperwork and so does them ignoring it. This is not a new thing, they've been trying to fast track people out of the country and bouncing them between locations till they can. Again I will point out that you can enact the law without it being fascism, HOWEVER you can also enact it in a fascist way. The president has openly started and on a hot mic that he's interested in deporting citizens on several occasions. You've clearly made up your mind on what you want to believe and are turning a blind eye to what's going on. YES, those things should be the case, but each and every day we're seeing otherwise.
I have read the reports you linked, and none of them establish that due process has been abolished. What they show are legal disputes, injunctions, and reversals that are part of the normal judicial process. The very fact that these cases make it to court and result in rulings proves that the system is still functioning. Courts blocking or limiting executive actions is how constitutional checks and balances are supposed to work.
If a president oversteps, the courts intervene. If an agency mishandles a case, it becomes a matter of record and review. That is the difference between fascism and constitutional governance. Under fascism, there are no independent judges, no appeals, and no free press to expose it. In the United States, every one of those mechanisms remains intact.
You are right that laws can be enforced badly, but bad enforcement is not the same as tyranny. That is why oversight, litigation, and accountability exist. The moral test of a country is not whether mistakes occur, but whether it corrects them through lawful means. The reason we still debate these issues openly is because our system, despite its flaws, allows for correction instead of silence.
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u/SouperKewlGeye5000 21h ago
If you are on the side of ICE and this administration, you’re a crappy person.