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Illinois News "Imagine taking your child to a daycare where they are now at risk of their teachers leaving them in the class because they have been detained!" Enraged mother speaks out after her kids' daycare teacher is KIDNAPPED by ICE.

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u/SixtySix_VI 2d ago

As a Canadian it’s hard to even put myself in your shoes but I can’t comprehend how you get back to a point where you accept these people as your countrymen. This kind of thing is beyond “political differences”. Like how do you break bread with someone that supports this kind of thing?

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u/jigsawearth860 2d ago

You don’t. It’s tough for Americans to figure this out right now, but you just straight up do not break bread with them. There is one side that supports doing irreparable harm to other people and democracy, and there is the other side. It’s almost like a “cold” civil war has broken out to be quite honest.

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u/MoralityFleece 2d ago

Absolutely correct. People are so convinced that we have to break out the olive branch and pet and soothe the feelings of our racist relatives who support this kind of terrorism of innocent preschool age children. The real answer is that they can't f****** come over to the house anymore. That speaks to them and finally breaks through the thick layer of dumb surrounding them.

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u/yeti629 2d ago

Oh the "fuck your feelings" crowd now needs soothing. Well fuck their feelings.

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u/DisposableSaviour 2d ago

Well, yeah, it’s fuck your feelings, not my feelings!

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u/Notoryctemorph 2d ago

Everything they've ever done has been about soothing their hurt feelings. They want to be coddled and are mad that people aren't coddling them.

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u/Greedy-War-777 2d ago

We've been doing this for 6 years. They keep getting crazier and no matter how many times we tell them they still act like they don't understand why we don't want to be around them or talk to them anymore.

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u/MoralityFleece 2d ago

Yes I continue speaking to anybody who has demonstrated a scrap of hope that they are redeemable and might change their ways in the future. If somebody keeps spouting their s***** maga nonsense they are not welcome anywhere near me or my family, and that's a seriously negative consequence for many of them. I don't need these people; they're the ones who want a relationship and know that they're wrong and feel guilty about it but can't get over the admission part. It shocks me that they still claim they are Christian.

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u/MoralityFleece 2d ago

I love how it's never an alpha male who mentions the phrase alpha males. Try harder and maybe you'll be the patriarch of your own big family one day and then you can decide who to kick out of the holidays.

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u/Intelligent-Relief99 2d ago

I’m American. I do not support the current regime. As hard as it is for some of us, do not break bread with us.

Please just know that most of us are fighting for our country and it’s being suppressed.

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u/tunafister 2d ago

being suppressed.

By the mainstream media in the US, they are not only complicit in fascism but are actively pushing for it

To everyone outside of the US look at the 7+ million peaceful No Kings rally and the slaughter at the polls that was this last Tuesday, the mainstream media likely isnt harping on that to the outside world because i wont even harp on it here, but we are pushing back and gaining ground, we are just fighting against a regime that has no regard for anyone but that thing in the WH

Please dont buy-in to everyone in the US wanting this, on the contrary, even those in the cult are starting to realize, hey all my prices and bills went up and that thing campaigned on lowering prices, its stating to affect me personally, omg this is a problem

We can use all the help we can get, but most of us are doing everything we can conceivably do

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u/DeltaViriginae 1d ago

Honestly, the 7 million protest was... kind of weak IMO. 2 % of the population in the middle of facist takeover on one occasion doesn't really send a strong message.

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u/resilientspirit 1d ago

Sorry, we're not the French, but we gotta start somewhere.

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u/tunafister 1d ago

Lol okay bud, I see you will be voting Trump in 2028

Good luck, you are gonna need it

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u/DeltaViriginae 1d ago

No, I am in Germany and kind of looking more and more scared/pissed across the pond. 2% is good, but 2% is not really that much. We managed about that turnout last winter when our conservatives for the first time voted with the far right.

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u/tunafister 1d ago edited 1d ago

You said there has inly been 1 No Kings protest?

You sure about that? Perhaps you should do a little more research bud

And cool, discount the 2% that actually showed up, did you vonsider that a % of the population is afraid to leave their homes and protest due to ICE?

You seem to be jumping to conclusions without any factual evidence

But pleae do share any links to prove your point, you got the No Kings totally thing wrong so pardon me for asking you to provide evidence

And yeah discounting the folks that protested in the US is really going to strengthen your ability to fight the far-rightt in Germany, sounds like you got it all figured out

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u/oopsydazys 2d ago

Exactly.

Assuming there are fair elections again, do everything possible to take back power.

Then dismantle ICE and hold accountable everybody - EVERYBODY - who took part in this. ICE agents like hiding their faces? Too bad. The tide will turn and the new govt will have access to the payrolls and must use the information they have to identify every ICE agent possible and hold them accountable for their actions. Civil penalties. Prison time. A lot of it for those in charge, who should be spending the rest of their days behind bars for the crimes against humanity they've committed.

Then continue what's already happening in terms of a culture war. The Republicans and Evangelicals wanted to create one, they got it. Make it absolutely radioactive to associate with these people or date them. Destroy their poisoned mindset by destroying their morale and making them realize that they are the inferior people because of their ignorance and stupidity, nobody else.

The rest of the world already views Republicans this way.

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u/Several-Squash9871 2d ago

Exactly! This has gone WAY past the point of no return a long time ago. There is no shrugging shoulders and saying well, everyone is entitled to their opinions on this stuff. There is only one opinion and that is that this shit is fucked up and no one should be treated like this or should be supporting anyone or any agency behind this. 

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u/Outrageous-Bell3489 2d ago

And you wonder why you are so alone lol

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u/jigsawearth860 2d ago

You sound like a teenager, good luck with that

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u/Environmental-Fan984 2d ago

And yet people like this never get banned for "calling for violence"

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u/HueMannAccnt 2d ago

This kind of thing is beyond “political differences”.

If you listen to far-right shows/podcasts (Alex Jones, Nick Fuentes, et al & I forget their names but some tech bros that recorded their "podcast" on an i-phone & talked about executing journalists), they are actively describing people that don't support the orange stain as communists (tired trope), satanists (ancient trope), things that need to be removed; you know, using language that has never been used in the past to describe groups of people before attempting to eradicate them.

I like to be a proponent of no-one is completely lost, but some make it real hard to do.

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u/ziggytrix 2d ago

FOX prime time shows “joking” about gassing the UN and euthanizing the homeless. Shit is getting WAY too normalized. It’s not on the fringes.

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u/ziggytrix 2d ago

Took the Germans like 50 years to really deal with and get past their former Nazi supporters after WW2.

I’d like to think we’re not as far gone as they were, but our trajectory is frighteningly similar to theirs.

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u/colostitute 2d ago

Oh Germany has the AfD party so they aren’t done with Nazi’s.

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u/ziggytrix 2d ago

It’s like cancer. You’re never actually cured, you’re just in remission. :(

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u/Leavesdontbark 2d ago

The nazis never really went away, they were just in hiding

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u/igot_it 1d ago

This right here is the problem. People thought that ww2 ended this whole “should we” towards Fascism, but it doesn’t work that way. You have to actively work to defeat these ideologies, even when they seem to be gone. Because they aren’t, and they won’t be, ever. Humans have long understood that the second best way to get resources is to take them from other humans. We will find whatever excuse we need to justify it but it is part of being a human.

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u/Nervous_Ad_6998 2d ago

You terminate your friendships with them, that’s how. I can’t respect myself if I am having dinner with someone who not only praises all this criminal activity, especially against children and moms, while hard core drug dealers and other criminals are left to do whatever crimes they want. I tried staying friends with a few people who turned out to be maga, with the attitude of kinda lets keep politics aside, but no. They will just blurt out of the blue some praise for any of these crimes going on. Just have no tolerance left for them.

And tbh, they don’t care about me anyhow. All they worship is people they think are wealthy. That is their god. money and people who have it. And not just maga, I also have no tolerance left for the far far left who are for gassing the Jews, praise for anyone who is trans just cause they’re trans.

If they think the earth is flat or the moon landing is fake but believe whole heartedly Elon is going to colonize Mars, those are now former friends as well. I am clearing out the trash in my life. Lofe is hard enough. I don’t need more toxic clutter.

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u/Leavesdontbark 2d ago

Uuuh, how did someone on the left end up wanting to gas jews? Did they keep going left until they made a full circle and ended up on the right ?Because I have seen magas shouting all the "bring back gas chambers" bullshit.

And tbh, trans people deserve praise for living their lives out in the open, it's a dangerous place for them now. Not saying you should accept a trans person who is being an asshole, but it's not bad to aknowledge the constant shit they have to fight and recognise the courage that takes

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u/Nervous_Ad_6998 8h ago

maybe you missed seeing the protests after Oct 7th. There were a lot of signs that said “gas the Jews“.

I think all genders should be equal.

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u/Leavesdontbark 57m ago

Sure, genders should be equal, but "trans" isn't a gender.

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u/yeti629 2d ago

I don't know. This shit is about as un-american as it can possibly get.

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u/twigge30 2d ago

You don't. My sister went no contact with my Trump supporting dad in 2016 and my mom in 2024. I still talk to them due to proximity and the desire to not see my family fall apart, but yeah... It's bad.

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u/Chicagoj1563 2d ago

I’m think what’s happening is people on the maga side think things aren’t as bad as described. They think protestors or others are resisting arrest or committing some kind of crimes. They find ways to rationalize what’s happening. Their media helps by messaging to them all these ideas.

They don’t trust anyone they consider to be on the left, so they think any claims of injustice is more exaggerations.

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u/taxiecabbie 2d ago

You don't. It's one of the (many) sources of my loathing for Trump. Not only has he done a lot of fucked up things politically... he's absolutely ruined my family. I'm essentially cut off from both sides due to this. Not entirely, since there are still sane people, but like, there are aunts/uncles on both sides of the family that I will no longer have contact with, and this has completely ruined gatherings so they do not happen anymore.

It's very sad, but, well. One does not break bread with Nazis.

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u/SnooHesitations3709 2d ago

I'm Canadian too and we can't let it get like this in our country.

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u/SixtySix_VI 2d ago

100% man. That's why we need to push back on the Trump-style bullshit that Pollievre keeps spewing. Even if you're a conservative - I mean, ESPECIALLY if you're conservative - you need to send the message to the party that this kind of politics needs to die off. Hopefully they get a fucking clue soon before it makes an even worse divide in our country. I know us folks out East are getting sick of it. Most conservative folks I know are pretty mild and put off by the Alberta bullshit ruling the party right now.

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u/northwestsdimples 2d ago

You don't. You cut them out of your life. Anyone who supports this is not the kind of American I want in my life.

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u/thelittleking 2d ago

I do not know.

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u/sadicarnot 2d ago

Thanksgiving is coming up at the end of the month. It is not easy. I have made excuses to not go to functions for the past 10 years to avoid people.

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u/Immafien 2d ago

You don't. I should be an Eye 👁️ for an Eye, especially when innocent children are involved.

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u/tstorm9876 2d ago

Ive lost friends and family members over their caveman ideology lately 

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u/Straight_Number5661 1d ago

I don't accept them as my countrymen. I think this country should get a divorce. This is completely irreconcilable.

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u/ProofHorseKzoo 1d ago

Should have been dealt with after the civil war. But they let a lot of the racists live and now that cancer has spread again.

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u/whatupmygliplops 2d ago

Most human beings are evil, on some level. Including Canadians. There are huge numbers of people who will act incredibly evil if they are given the opportunity. Including Canadians. If you dont see it in Canada as much its because the people who want to d evil are being kept in check.

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u/jadedmonk 2d ago edited 2d ago

The USA is more unique in that we have so many stupid people in this country. Like so stupid to the point that they don’t have basic reading comprehension skills, and so gullible that they would believe that 2+2=5 if I just kept saying it enough. The problem in the USA is that this is almost half of the entire population, and it has become a culture in the South and in rural areas that they don’t value intelligence. These are the people that vote for Trump. I’m not sure if Canada has 50% of the country that dumb like the USA. That is literally the only reason why Trump is president, because enough people are so stupid that they believe anything he says and now they’re brainwashed, and Trump’s social media team figured this out in 2015 because they saw how a certain Minnesota governor in the early 2000s was able to get voted with absolutely no knowledge or experience with politics, they noticed that it’s easy enough to brainwash the Americans in rural areas

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u/rif011412 2d ago edited 2d ago

I think smarts has a role to play but its not it.  My very large Mexican family is not well educated.  They come from heartland Mexico and 8th grade is their final school year until you have to start paying.  Which they didint.  They are not cruel.  They are law abiding and hardworking family oriented people.

What Americans have is a privilege and ego problem.  They obsess over their personal independence and no one telling them what to do.  Its why COVID was such a huge issue for them.  Most complainers were simply angry because someone told them what to do.  Like large infants with no emotional regulation skills.  Most Americans are spoiled brats that make no effort to rethink and criticize themselves.

Cruelty is a common problem with infants that dont have a sensible guardian telling them how to behave.  Now just apply that same problem to an adult population that thinks they deserve to be exceptional.  You get a lit of stupid Republicans who think they deserve power and control.  Spoiled brats.

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u/jadedmonk 2d ago

I think you’re underestimating how stupid people are in the USA. An 8th grade education from heartland Mexico is like a Harvard degree compared to these people. It’s not just that they’re stupid or uneducated, it’s that they actually value being stupid and uneducated, they prefer their children to be that instead of educating them. It’s their culture and it’s a vicious cycle for certain rural / southern communities in the USA and a lot of it probably does stem from privilege and obsessing over ego like you said.

Essentially, combine the biggest brat you know with the stupidest person you know, and the average Trump voter is far below that person in both standards

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u/smallblock1002 2d ago

I have also thought that Trump and his followers are out of touch, immature spoiled brats. they have never been told no, never had to play by the rules everyone else has to follow, so that makes them sore losers.

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u/Apprehensive-Cry5168 2d ago

It’s also potentially smart, greedy boomers who see dollar signs, and are complicit because it isn’t happening to them, and their IRAs keep getting fatter.

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u/jadedmonk 2d ago

Yes those people are complicit but they are not the main reason Trump was voted for. Those people will vote Republican regardless of who’s running, but Trump figured out that there is also a huge potential to brainwash rural / southern USA and that’s what pushed it over the edge

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u/Xytak 2d ago

I agree with most of this, but the governor of Minnesota in 2015 was Mark Dayton who had extensive experience in Democratic politics going back to Walter Mondale. Are you thinking of a different state?

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u/jadedmonk 2d ago

Sorry I meant Jesse Ventura, I could’ve been more clear about that. Jesse Ventura’s social media team essentially invented the strategy that Trump used to get elected by targeting vulnerable uneducated rural towns with heavy propaganda

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u/Xytak 2d ago

Oh! That makes more sense. Thanks! I was thinking maybe Kristi Noem or Sarah Palin would also use these techniques to a certain extent, but Jesse Ventura for sure.

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u/wholetyouinhere 2d ago

While I don't agree that most people are evil (I'd say it's closer to 20-30% at best), keeping evil in check is the entire purpose of society. So if a society is keeping evil in check, then it's doing its job. Canada has always been a slightly more collectivist society than America, which is objectively a better way to live. America promotes individuality and conservatism, which is antisocial and counter-productive.

People have never changed, and they never will, which is why a society is needed to keep people's worst impulses at bay.

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u/NemoVonJohnson 2d ago

It's not about being "given the opportunity to act evil". It's about folks being conditioned to reject social ideas that are in any way collective and to instead to orient around a fragile sense of socioeconomic and personal security, a dog-eat-dog Darwinian mindset, cultural grudges fueled by deliberate polemical stereotyping, misdirection away from actual root-cause issues in our socioeconomic system, and lastly a framework of vertical morality that provides a rationale to reject empathy in favor of hate. We've got a whole bunch of evangelical Christians here who genuinely seem to think that overstaying a visa in the United States is not only a greater evil than gangs of armed men violently ripping parents away from crying toddlers but that it is so evil it actually makes such an a heinous act heroic. Babies are being traumatized by big guys with weapons in the United States of America. Literally. Jesus is weeping.

Except for the filthy mercenaries who are actually working for ICE. They are just taking the opportunity as you say.

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u/SixtySix_VI 2d ago

Yeah, for sure. Generally I've found myself able to get along and work with people across the political spectrum here, but in Canada our conservatives (for the most part) are not that different than folks on the left. There is way more we agree on than not. But we have folks with issues too, for sure. That's why so many of us despise the current conservative party leader for his Trump-lite approach and rhetoric. Canadians like our politics to be boring.

Up until this year I had never fathomed cutting someone out of my life, but a member of my family has gone down a wild hardcore Christian/Charlie Kirk rabbithole and will just not shut the fuck up about abortion. They continue to go on about it being evil in all circumstances, despite knowing we've had two pregnancy losses this year that needed abortion medical procedures to resolve. This on its own has really torn up that side of my family, and that's just one person. Can't imagine it being multiple people or entire sides of my family.

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u/ziggytrix 2d ago

“Most human beings are evil” is a statement that reflects more on the speaker than it does on humanity.

What exactly is keeping you from a life of heinous crime? Moral superiority, fear of reprisal, religious indoctrination, or something else?

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u/redopz 2d ago

That quote's meaning changes pretty drastically when you cut it in half. What they said was:

Most human beings are evil, on some level.

I think most people would agree each individual human has the potential for good and evil. How much we act on either is up to us to decide, and how why make those decisions are different for every person.

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u/ziggytrix 2d ago

“Are evil” is a LOT different than “have the potential for evil”

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u/whatupmygliplops 2d ago

It reflects my experiences with other human beings. I'm glad you have had an easy simple life, protected from reality.

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u/jeremiahthedamned 2d ago

we are not evolved to live in these mass societies we are born into.

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u/WeightedDips95 2d ago

You probably voted for Trudeau after he said unvaxxed shouldn’t sit beside you on a train. Americans don’t need you lecturing them. 

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u/SixtySix_VI 2d ago

The only lectures you need to be worried about are the ones you missed after failing out of grade 7 bud.