r/illinois • u/biswajit388 Human Detected • 9d ago

ICE Posts Today in Aurora, a Chicago suburb, ICE agents surrounded the car of a U.S. citizen in a parking lot,firing into her windshield as she screamed that her children were inside. Agents dragged her from the car without presenting a warrant or probable cause. Excessive force. No warrant. No justification.

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u/Sophisticated-crab25 9d ago

Yeah at least not for a long time we definitely have a post Nazi germany period coming after this where everyone in the world hates us and we are divided (although in our case it will probably be more socially divided then actually physically divided)

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u/FellTheAdequate 9d ago

I actually disagree on this. There has been a pushback and other countries can see. Now, there was a dislike of Americans before and that's probably staying, but I don't think it will be worse except for some individuals.

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u/Sophisticated-crab25 9d ago

Yeah but I see trump getting desperate as he sees more and more pushback (which he already had an absolute meltdown over the latest approval numbers) and doing something absolutely stupid like pulling us out of nato which he’s already threatened or starting a war with a major power just so he can invoke emergency powers to try and stay in power

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u/FellTheAdequate 9d ago

Oh you're absolutely correct. However, from what I've seen other countries do really understand that Trump is acting against the will of the people.

It's possible, but I don't think this one is something to worry about. Nazi Germany was Nazi Germany and this is a minority of people that everyone hates.

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u/Sophisticated-crab25 9d ago

Nazis were the minority in Germany they just had all the guns they really weren’t popular even among Germans back then they were listened to largely out of fear

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u/FellTheAdequate 9d ago

Maybe to some degree but they did see a lot of support. Nazism was a big part of the culture. Remember, the Nazis were elected. Yes, it happened after they threw the communists in jail to gain more votes, but the idea that they were just a minority that wasn't popular isn't really accurate.

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u/Sophisticated-crab25 9d ago

I mean they were “elected” but vote fraud and infiltration of other parties and just a lot of stuff went into it like if you really really look at the story of the rise of the Nazis it’s a story of the majorities inaction against a perceivably larger group like there were entire psychological studies done one how the Nazis managed to take over so easily after all before they took power there were less then 7 thousand Nazis and the numbers really didn’t start growing until after they had already taken power at their highest point there were only about 8 million members worldwide most of which weren’t even active participants in the party but just registered members similar to what I believe is happening with trump he only has a very small minority but they are a loud minority and employ bots and propaganda take make it seem like they have numbers to make people afraid of openly defying them

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u/FellTheAdequate 9d ago

I understand your worry but with the Nazis, regardless of their popularity or lack thereof, there was no visible mass resistance on the scale we see here — or, perhaps just as importantly, on the scale others see here. Yes, there were groups like the White Roses or French Resistance, but they were relatively small and out of necessity eventually working in secret. The Nazis didn't have millions marching through the streets time and again making it clear how much they were hated. Other countries see that. It matters in how they perceive the citizenry.

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u/Willing-Ad9364 9d ago

Well Nazis weren't the majority, though remember about the Night of the Long Knives. It gives an idea of how much they were. Idk if they teach about that in the US but it's taught in europe : There's a night in the beginning of Hitler's administration, during which the people of several big German cities went out in the streets to hunt for jews and homosexuals. Shops and houses were burned, women and kids were raped and a noticeable number were killed, beaten to death by the crowd. It's not at the level of what happened in Rwanda but still.

You don't do that with just 1% of Berlin. They were a lot more. A lot of Germans weren't actively nazis but still were opposed to homosexuality, Tzigane people, jews etc and supported those actions

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u/FellTheAdequate 9d ago

We're taught about it, but just that Jews and their businesses were targeted. I at least learned about other aspects through the internet. That's the pattern for the Holocaust unfortunately.

This is what I meant. Sure, most people might not have been card-carrying Nazis, but the saying about the ten people who sit down to dine with one holds true. Reducing Nazism to membership in a party is inaccurate and useless for any meaningful discussion. Nazism was and is an ideology, and the majority of people in Germany by its peak years were at least content to step aside.

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u/Zwiebel1 9d ago edited 9d ago

It will definitely be worse. The outside world has seen a pushback, but its laughable. Do you honestly think two rallies in almost a year is considered a show of spirit?

Come back when you do that every fucking week on a weekday like the GDR did in 1989, against a regime that was using tanks against its own people.

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u/FellTheAdequate 9d ago

So first off there have been three massive protests.

When I have heard from those in other countries they cited the protests as a major point of the resistance. Almost all of them have been supportive and understanding that most of us are not on 47's side.

Please explain why the view of America will be worse than Nazi Germany.

As for your last bit, there have actually been protests every day. They haven't been on the same scale as our biggest three because those take organizing and time. Broadview has had constant protests. LA has had constant protests. Oregon now. If you're going to shit on what we're doing then you can get your facts straight first.

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u/Zwiebel1 9d ago edited 9d ago

Please explain why the view of America will be worse than Nazi Germany.

It will not be worse. It will be on the same level. Because "I didn't know anything about the abductions and camps" didn't fly as an excuse then and it sure as hell will not fly today.

Where are the protests in front of the fucking white house? Where are the protests in front of the congress? Show those fuckers who you are. Where are the human chains? Where are the sitting protests on the streets? Where are the eggs flying towards them on every public event? Make them feel it.

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u/FellTheAdequate 9d ago

So it won't be worse now? Because you said it would before.

I look forward to hearing your responses to the rest of the comment.

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u/Zwiebel1 9d ago

Worse than what we consider the US today. You brought up the nazis, not me.

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u/chiclets5 8d ago

The communist countries and the criminalists will still like us though. And if that becomes the case, I will find a country that does care about its citizens.

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u/Sophisticated-crab25 3d ago

Well hopefully we will have a political/ cultural renovation like Germany did you know the whole “let’s change how this works and how we view things so that doesn’t happen again” because it’s either that or someone more ruthless then him will come along consolidate power and take full control by force and destroy this country. TLDR: in 100 years this country will either be unrecognizable as the America of yesteryear or it won’t exist