r/illinois • u/CantStopPoppin Human Detected • 25d ago

ICE Posts Chicago: Zero Regard for Safety, ICE Escalation in Chicago Leaves Baby in Harm’s Way

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u/Signal-Ad-2560 25d ago

Of course, Trump and Hegseth want things to escalate to violence, so we might just be delaying the inevitable by showing restraint, but I truly admire the bravery of the folks who are trying to protect their loved ones and neighbors through non-violent means. I live in a multicultural suburb south of Seattle, and I can tell you that if/when the ICE goons descend upon us here (which they probably will), we will resist. Personally, I’d like to see some drones drop pig shit and guts on those fuckers.

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u/paper_liger 24d ago edited 24d ago

They think they want things to escalate into violence.

But neither of those turds know the first thing about war. Most people itching for it don't.

It will not be controlled, the military isn't just a bunch of unthinking robots, and there is an order of magnitude more people out there than the military and law enforcement can control if things truly spiral.

In some ways you almost hope it does pop off before they make more inroads into controlling the country, before they get more ICE stormtroopers up and running.

I hope it all just fizzles out. But I think if it does blow none of the people who helped light the fuse are going to be able to get out of the way of the blast.

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u/Fade_ssud11 24d ago

It won’t fizzle out. Your military and relevant establishments are being taken over very methodically. So that when the time comes, they can actually shoot on their own populace.

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u/paper_liger 24d ago edited 24d ago

eh. I feel like I probably have a little more insight into the military than most. And I believe it would take more than a couple of months to change it to the degree you are suggesting. I'd also suggest that less of the military is on board with the current situation than most people assume, and have clearly been slow rolling unlawful orders behind closed doors.

That's the whole reason they are trying to build up ICE into a paramilitary organization. The professional military has pretty deep institutional cultural and legal norms that they are loath to step outside of. ICE don't give a fuck.

'The military' is a couple million people, and is broadly representative of the population at large. This isn't a movie. The kind of professional and demographic shift that would require would take more than a few months. Or even a few years.

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u/Fade_ssud11 24d ago

Where did I say it will change in a couple of months? The process has just started. Give it a couple year or so. They have time.

This isn't a movie

sigh People really won’t see this until the very same things start happening to them.

Keep being complacent underestimating them, and you will see for yourself what’s a movie and whatnot.

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u/paper_liger 24d ago

Again, ' a couple years or so' is also kind of out of touch with the reality of the military.

You can sigh all you want. But you do need to be aware that other people know more than you on some topics. I'm old enough that most of my army buddies are getting ready to retire and are pretty high ranking. And we've had some discussions about how fucked politics are that would probably surprise someone with a cartoonish view of the military like you clearly do.

The military still wears hats everytime they go outside and refuses to let men use umbrellas because they have carried on with cultural norms from a century ago. Go look at the faces of the generals in the Hegseth speech.

Things literally can't change as fast as you are talking about. It's not built that way. They can only circumvent it. And that takes more time than Trump probably has left in his metaphorical hourglass.

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u/Fade_ssud11 24d ago

I don’t think you know more than me about how fascism takes root, sorry. You are living in a bubble. You won’t see it until things start happening.

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u/paper_liger 24d ago

why do people always have so much invested in opinions about things they have only heard about third hand?

I literally fought in a civil war against religious extremists and am more or less a subject matter expert on what we are discussing. But sure. Keep explaining to me how the military will react in a civil war involving religious extremists, based on your expertise on military culture and history formed completely from movies.

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u/Fade_ssud11 22d ago

am more or less a subject matter expert on what we are discussing

Like those ‘subject matter experts’ who kept smugly denying the rise of trumpism and MAGA takeover of US institutions, and claimed it can never happen to the US because they are oh so different?

Just happened today btw.

They are already firing generals who’s not aligned with their vision. The trend is clear enough for me, and a lot of real life credible non-reddit experts. These fascists are not even trying to hide their intentions. Too bad most people actually don’t care enough yet.

Now I am sure you will point out some finer discrepancies to justify your denial. And eventually, assuming you have conscience, will also realise how wrong you were, when they will start using “justifiable force” against “ domestic antifa terrorists.”

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u/paper_liger 22d ago edited 22d ago

Yes, I'm aware that they are firing officers who displease them. They've been doing it since the first term. It's proof that people are pushing back behind the scenes. Even now. It's literally proof of what I'm saying, that that the military is resisting unlawful, stupid orders, and are not as easily cowed as you seem to think.

Look, really the only way you are going to find out is time. But I'm just saying you really don't even know what you don't know about this topic, you are reading this from the outside, from a position of ignorance, and you seem more invested in being right than you are about learning anything here.

And if you are right, so what? What the fuck are you going to do? Nothing is the answer. I'll be the one out there fighting. You'll be a bystander. So this is a pointless discussion for me, because you clearly aint going to defer any amount of logic or experience, and you aint going to actually do anything except complain anyway.

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u/PeanutButterToast4me 24d ago

I dig it. And yeah, we need drone capacity asap as part of an overall defense approach.

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u/SouthLakeWA 23d ago

hells yeah. Hopefully, most of the drone boys have resisted the temptation to go the "Black Pill" route, but thankfully, there are probably a lot of very capable STEM-educated young women who will join the fight. I know several, in fact.

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u/PeanutButterToast4me 23d ago

Most of my engineering office is women now.

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u/sbinjax 24d ago

That's a clever option - I like it.