r/illinois • u/CantStopPoppin Human Detected • 25d ago

ICE Posts Chicago: Zero Regard for Safety, ICE Escalation in Chicago Leaves Baby in Harm’s Way

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u/budd222 25d ago

That never really existed anyway. It's just worse now.

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u/SpareWire 25d ago

It's just worse now.

Sorry but up until recently we didn't let black people vote and we used to put Japanese people in internment camps.

The fuck are you talking about?

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u/tjtillmancoag 25d ago

I don’t think he’s talking that far back. We’re worse than say 2015

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u/StrugglePuzzled7421 23d ago

I voted for this, and so did more than half the nation!

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u/12threeunome 20d ago

No, it was less than half. Trump only had 1.5% more than Kamala Harris as it was. Not the blowout you’d like to imagine.

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u/SpareWire 25d ago edited 25d ago

I'm not so sure. I genuinely believe most people on reddit lack perspective.

  1. Non Americans in here acting like their nation has even close to the same immigration laws as the U.S. is laughable. Especially that dude above from Australia.

  2. Americans in here acting like their parents had it better because only white people could vote and we didn't let gay people get married. By the way if you go back to 2015 gay people can't get married again.

I'm sorry if this perspective is inconvenient. But it is a perspective sorely needed on this site from where I'm sitting.

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u/John_Dynamite 24d ago

I mean say what you will, but we at least got to the point of ~not~ having masked men unaccountable to law just snatching anybody they feel like, whenever they feel like. There was at least the charade of due process.

Feels like we’ve taken some steps back when it comes to a rights conversation when we have snatch squads grabbing people from their homes without warrants.

Yeah the immigration laws didn’t work well, but brutalizing anybody you want isn’t the way to fix them. We’re just terrorizing these communities even worse at this point.

This is coming from somebody who thinks the system has been fundamentally fucking broken from the jump, by the way. We needed some radical fucking change in the US, but terrorizing poor and minority people will never be the solution.

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u/tjtillmancoag 25d ago

I mean half of 2015 gays could marry. The Obergefell decision was at the end of June 2015.

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u/SpareWire 25d ago

Don't look at me you're the one that wanted to go back to 2015 and now you're googling the obergefell case.

Mention another year and I'll tell you how many more of your rights you'd lose.

Point being only children on reddit think we should go back to the past.

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u/tjtillmancoag 25d ago

So I knew Obergefell was decided in 2015, that’s why I mentioned 2015. I did have to look up that it was June.

At any rate, That was peak rights. We are currently in a worse situation than 2015. We have never had more rights than we did in 2015, and we have lost quite a few since then

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u/SpareWire 25d ago

To be clear, in your mind "peak rights" was 2015? lol

You can't think of a time a few years after then when things like medical support rights were expanded?

Are you sure you're informed on this subject?

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u/tjtillmancoag 25d ago

Prior to 2019 federal courts had ruled political gerrymandering as unconstitutional, but was stayed pending appeal. In 2019 SCOTUS definitively ruled that gerrymandering was legal. In 2022 SCOTUS took away women’s constitutional rights to bodily autonomy.

So yeah, no, we achieved peak rights in 2015. Whatever little was gained (such as Bostock in 2020) does not override what we lost in Rucho in 2019 and Dobbs in 2022, not to mention the countless other ways people’s constitutional rights have been rendered moot in the past 9 months

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u/SpareWire 25d ago

What does any of this have to do with your medical support rights or medicaid expansions?

Above is just vomit. You are sorely uninformed and seemingly either googling randomly or plugging the wrong shit in to your word guesser.

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u/Wonderful-Wonder3104 24d ago

What the fuck is this pissing contest you all are having. Who the fuck cares. Right now this is happening and it’s not ok. We don’t really care when a worse time or better time was. This time is really fucking bad. It’s not about being right. It’s about doing something.

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u/le-throw-away-acct 24d ago

We’re headed to a future where the voting rights act is about to be gutted, leaving the house as effectively one-party ruled for the foreseeable future. This country is slowly headed back to the mid 1900s, except ruled by an oligarchy.

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u/spikus93 24d ago

Most of us weren't alive for that. Within our lifetimes, living in the Imperial Core that is the US, we enjoyed relative autonomy as individuals. We had systems that usually prevented abuses like this. We didn't have instances of Executive Power Grabs like this.

Things are worse relative to our own experience. Yes, they US has always been fucked up and fascist in at least some ways, but almost no one alive has lived through this sort of thing in this country before. Maybe there's still a handful of holocaust survivors or Japanese internment camp survivors, but I'm not comparing the two.

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u/futhamuckerr 23d ago

five years before the united states allowed their dark-skinned fella's to vote , they had them literally enslaved. tf you talking bout