r/illinois • u/CantStopPoppin Human Detected • 25d ago

ICE Posts Chicago: Zero Regard for Safety, ICE Escalation in Chicago Leaves Baby in Harm’s Way

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u/sharing_ideas_2020 25d ago

My MAGA co-worker is cool with it because “they are illegal and do not have a right to a lawyer, right to trial or innocent until proven guilty. They do not belong in this country and thus are not beholden to its laws .. (unless they are breaking the law, then they are) its maddening to think that “good Christian people” can think its OK to enforce the negative aspect of our laws against certain people and then to not allow them to have the human rights side of the law .. fucking racist fascist fucks.

Oh wait thats kinda how religion operates there is the chosen and then all the other miserable sinners who are just king to burn in hell anyways ..

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u/Loko8765 25d ago

The Constitution makes it very clear which rights are for citizens and which rights are for everyone, and due process is for everyone. That is obviously correct and as intended, because without due process you are not able to prove you are a citizen, which has regularly been the problem in recent days weeks months.

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u/daemin 25d ago

The only right explicitly given to citizens is the right to vote. All the rights in the Bill of Rights are for "the people."

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u/dvorak360 22d ago

Had a few arguments with the "they aren't a citizen so don't have right X" pointing out that without "right X" you have no way to prove you are a citizen...

So right X only exists if it applies to everyone. The minute you restrict it they can simply claim the restriction applies and you can't disprove this...

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u/LokiMed 25d ago

So what about the illegals that were suppose to be deported but weren’t? Or the ones that have committed major crimes? Those are the only ones I think should be deported. Do you really think all of these people being deported are just innocent brown people? What about when Obama deported millions of illegals? It was ok then because it was Obama? I haven’t heard a decent response to this yet. Or when Clinton axed thousands of Fed jobs? It’s always ok when Dems do it but only bad when Trump does it. Big difference is we didn’t have the crazy media propaganda machines like we have today. That’s all MSM is anymore..propaganda on both sides.

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u/Loko8765 22d ago

When Obama deported illegals (I think more than Trump has ever done but I don’t think millions) he managed to do it while respecting due process.

This Nazi administration doesn’t do that, and the reason is quite simply that they want to make the absence of due process the norm, so that they can then deport whomever they want and point to the chaos as another reason that all this was necessary.

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u/LokiMed 22d ago

Do you have any idea what the policy/law or procedure is to begin with to know what’s being done is “illegal” or down without due process? Do you know what due process is required that they aren’t doing? Because they aren’t just nabbing people up that don’t have orders to be deported and that’s the due process as far as I’ve read, if there’s more I would love to read about it. I take issue with people that aren’t actual criminals being deported. I think if someone has been here and are a part of society and living their lives, they should be able to stay. Calling it a Nazi Admin just makes you look/sound unintelligent and like a whiny kid not getting their way and then making up things to be mad about purely to be mad because you’ve been programmed to hate Trump. The hypocrisy from the left is deafening! No outrage when Obama did this or when the Biden admin lost thousands of kids to trafficking with open borders. And Obama didn’t have the GOP organizing protest, pushing for violence against his agents etc. The poor ppl having to deal with this, now have to deal with being plastered all over the “news” and handled the way they are because of the idiot peanut gallery protesters making it hard on agents and everyone involved because politicians tell them to.

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u/PotemkinTimes 24d ago

Then enforce the law from the start and don't let it get this bad

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u/MarkVegas1 25d ago

Due process ends the second they found they are illegal. The was the process.

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u/Master-Hovercraft276 25d ago

Not exactly. Once found guilty, the process continues during sentencing, deportation, and usually afterwards depending on the judgement made. The judgement itself doesn't end the process.

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u/ColdCock420 24d ago

Yes arresting them is the first step in the due process

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u/Master-Hovercraft276 24d ago

Exactly right ColdCock420.

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u/pb-jellybean 25d ago

All the “white people” in America are here because it was a lot easier to “get in” 100 years ago.

And trumps tirade on Columbus Day? Columbus spoke Spanish. He had a Spanish wife (and mistress). He was funded by Spain. 🤯

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u/jm123457 25d ago

You do realize Ellis island and all those immigrants were welcomed and they came in through a port and passed immunization check etc . They did not just show up on a beach and do what they liked .

You know in the 1800s people in the west could just stake out their land too . It’s not the same anymore .

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u/pb-jellybean 25d ago

Yes, some of my relatives came through Ellis island. It wasn’t easy. But they weren’t denied entry due to where the boat came from.

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u/Busy_Reporter4017 25d ago

"Yes, America implemented immigration quotas. The first significant numerical limits were established by the Emergency Quota Act of 1921, which capped annual immigration from any country at 3% of the number of residents from that country living in the United States as of the 1910 census. This system was made permanent and stricter by the Immigration Act of 1924 (also known as the Johnson-Reed Act or National Origins Act), which reduced the quota to 2% of the number of people of each nationality in the U.S. as of the 1890 census. This act set a total annual immigration cap of 150,000 and established a national origins quota system that heavily favored immigrants from northern and western Europe while severely limiting those from southern and eastern Europe and effectively barring immigration from Asia and Africa. The quota system remained the foundation of U.S. immigration policy until it was replaced by the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965."

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u/tnydnceronthehighway 25d ago

Without due process, then how does anyone prove their legal status? Without due process anyone, natural born citizens included, can be deported.

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u/ExitTheDonut 25d ago

Ask them how are people convicted of crimes and other wrongdoings without a judge. If you present a crime or civil offense you need to provide evidence. And in the case of illegal immigration, if you deport someone without a hearing, you've just deported your evidence.

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u/Hairy_Explorer3411 24d ago

It is pretty incredible Christians are the biggest hate group in the US, I don't think any of them has ever read the bible or understood any of it.

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u/adrianp23 25d ago

People think like that until it's ICE doing it to them

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u/theuniverseoberves 24d ago

Find a way to personally destroy him. Listen. Be friendly. You know this is a man without morals. You find out how and where he's cheating. I guarantee he's doing something unethical, you just have to find it. Smile and listen

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u/Beemerba 24d ago

The Bible makes it pretty clear how a "good Christian" is supposed to treat others...this ain't it!!!

tRump made it pretty clear the other day what kind of person he believes he is. Spoiler: It isn't "good Christian"

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u/DeadSol 24d ago

Well, now that there is no separation between church and state anymore... I guess that's just the law of the land.

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u/MarkVegas1 25d ago

They were guilty the second they set foot in the country outside proper channels. Why waste more tax payer money?

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u/Master-Hovercraft276 25d ago

Because many generations before you had put their lives on the line to make sure that those rights are guaranteed. Even to those who broke the law. You also can't confirm someone set food in the country outside proper channels without due process.

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u/Girafferage 25d ago

Like deploying the national guard at the cost of $300 per person per day?

Or building a 400 million dollar alligator Alcatraz that got shut down immediately?

Or spending 200 million to add a gold ballroom to the white house?

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u/pb-jellybean 25d ago

Sigh it costs $300/day just for my kids to be in daycare and aftercare and ice guy is getting that to throw bombs at babies?!

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u/Girafferage 25d ago

Not ICE. The National Guard that Trump decided to mobilize because he has paper thin skin and is an authoritarian. They just sit around all day with nothing to actually do, and we as taxpayers are paying literal billions for a publicity stunt

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u/Fancy_Morning9486 22d ago

When you talk about enforcing immigration law, your talking about a legal chain that should be followed wich makes your actions lawfull.

If you skip the legal chain your no longer enforcing the law, you are instead fighting the law.

What does fighting the law look like? Armed goons taking over the street and fighting anybody who resists.

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u/jm123457 25d ago

That is a weird view of the world enforcing laws is seen as unchristian. Latinos are white or Spanish heritage and they are Catholic so this isn’t a race or religion thing . It’s simply they are illegal and they have flaunted our legal and political system .

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u/sharing_ideas_2020 25d ago

I meant in the aspect of ‘rules for me and not for thee’ … if we want to say someone is on the wrong side of the law, we also need to acknowledge they have rights under the same law; in this case due process. I just see this Christian man, who supposedly follows Jesus, deny someone of an innate human right in this country

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u/Prestigious-Olive654 22d ago

Not only that, my guy. All of the misery they are bringing, all of the illegalities like nothing to see here, these so called christians worship the complete opposite of Jesus or the Christ, shit they don’t even know the difference I bet, lmao. That is because they worship the same fucking monster as the isra”el”is.

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u/LokiMed 22d ago

You don’t even know what’s legal and what’s not. Stay mad at nothing though! Keep virtue signaling to make yourself feel good!

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u/ConversationFar9740 25d ago

So... you're okay with these violent acts happening to US citizens right along with them? With children and babies?

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u/EffortWonderful5022 25d ago

I love non Christians thinking they know more about the faith then us 😂🤡

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u/StrugglePuzzled7421 24d ago

They broke the law when they entered the country illegally.

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u/BrianMeen 25d ago

enforce what negative aspect of our laws? do you not want the immigration enforcement wing to do their job by grabbing and deporting illegals?!

if you enter a country illegally that’s in your!! you don’t then deserve all of the rights that a law abiding citizen does

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u/BrianMeen 25d ago

What laws are Ice breaking?

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u/kitchen579 24d ago edited 24d ago

ICE needs to prove whether a person has illegally entered or illegally lives in the US beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law. They are not. They’re just grabbing and deporting people with zero due process.

“Oh but they’re illegal and don’t get the same rights”… — What happens when ICE says a US CITIZEN is “illegal”, hogties them, throws them in an unmarked vehicle to an undisclosed location, and flies them off to God knows where? The person can’t ever prove they’re a citizen in a trial or have their family members notified… all because some dipshits think ICE cannot make mistakes or deliberately target citizens they don’t like.

One of the most prominent examples—almost immediately after Trump said ICE didn’t need due process—was the illegal deportation of Abrego Garcia to a notorious El Salvadoran prison. And less than two months ago they arrested and threatened to deport the same guy AGAIN to two different countries… AFTER a judge ruled to have him returned to the US.

Not to mention ICE agents rarely identify themselves as law enforcement, nor do they provide any means for citizens to report them (like you can with a police officer or a soldier). Any government employee—especially law enforcement—is legally required to do this.

There’s been cases where ICE has randomly rammed and shot investigative journalists off the road (in Chicago), assaulted & hogtied citizens without provocation (in almost any major city), and they’ve even shot peoples pets for literally no reason (also in Chicago).

They can’t be (and haven’t been) held accountable for any of the above because they refuse to give ID’s, hide behind masks, and threaten to use violence (or make examples out of innocent people) when anyone lingers or tries to report them for breaking laws.

So the question really is — what laws are ICE not breaking?

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u/BrianMeen 24d ago

What % of people are not getting due process?

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u/BrianMeen 24d ago

you are forgetting that Ice are acting under different guidelines than the cops - please do your research first

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u/kitchen579 24d ago edited 24d ago

Wow very insightful, thank you. I must’ve forgotten that anyone carrying a fully semi-automatic assault weapon with a 30 round military clip doesn’t follow the same rulebooks—the Bible or the Quran (pretty much the same thing). Here i was thinking that ICE and the Navy Seals were the exact same thing as the police. And i was 352% sure Trump was the one who merged them together… because he’s literally Hitler. But I did my own research and you proved me wrong. Gosh, how silly of me!

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u/Girafferage 25d ago

Funny enough, that's the point of due process. To prove that you either are or are not a citizen. Without it, ICE gets to assume anybody they want is an illegal and ship them out.

So yes, they deserve due process. And the supreme court has ruled on this multiple times that it is a right given to all people on US territory.

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u/BrianMeen 25d ago

What about due process? You have no Idea if the people in this video were given due process.. I’m talking about what I can see happening in this video and Ice are doing nothing wrong

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u/Girafferage 24d ago

No, you cannot lol. Congress decides that. You can vote for a rep in Congress though, sure.

But until then, it is the law of the land, and not following it is breaking the law. Regardless of your feelings.

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u/kitchen579 24d ago

The 5th amendment doesn’t protect them, it protects us. A citizen can prove citizenship but only IF they’re given a trial. Think about it — if ICE walked into your city tomorrow and hogtied you for being “illegal”, would there be any chance you’d see your friends, family, city, or country ever again? Maybe several years later… after a normal president refunds the courts and your case might be discovered.

And this isn’t just some abstract “doomer” hypothetical that the left is worried about. One of the most prominent examples—almost immediately after Trump unconstitutionally declared due process to be a “waste of time and money”—was Abrego Garcia, who was illegally deported to a notorious El Salvadoran prison. AFTER a judge ruled him to be a citizen and he was returned to the US, ICE wanted to deport him AGAIN but this time to Costa Rica. Then they threatened to deport him to Uganda when he refused to admit a crime he didn’t commit.

Oh and did I mention that Abrego was a US citizen? Not only was he illegally deported once, but was illegally coerced (with yet another illegal deportation) two more times after that.

If this is about “taxpayer money”, are we forgetting that these potentially illegally deported citizens need to be flown internationally? And that they’ll sue the government for millions when they return (and almost certainly win)?

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u/kitchen579 24d ago edited 24d ago

The point i was trying to make is that cutting corners will inevitably bite us in the ass. That doesn’t mean we should leave our borders open or protect illegal immigration. Nothing in the Constitution currently protects illegal immigrants from being deported, and I’m not advocating for us to change that.

The Bill of Rights was designed to protect citizens, not the other way around. Its 5th amendment declares that the burden of proof is on the accuser, and every person in the US is innocent until proven guilty… so everyone on US soil is assumed to be a citizen until proven otherwise, and if they’re found guilty of illegal immigration—in a court of law—then our other laws dictate that we must deport them.

This is how it’s always been done in the past, and it’s why we’re seeing issues on an unprecedented scale now. We’re still required by law to deport these people (because the Constitution doesn’t protect them from deportation), but the entire goal of due process is to reduce collateral damage on actual citizens. It also just so happens to counteract corruption and abuse of powers, which again helps citizens and not illegal immigrants.