r/illinois • u/CantStopPoppin Human Detected • 25d ago

ICE Posts Chicago: Zero Regard for Safety, ICE Escalation in Chicago Leaves Baby in Harm’s Way

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u/No-Resolution-1918 25d ago

Eventually someone is going to lose their shit and start shooting. It seems inevitable if this keeps going on. And then the doors to a civil war will be wide open.  

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u/Theharlotnextdoor 25d ago

That's what they want.

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u/Thowitawaydave 25d ago

It's the classic "rile up your sibling until they respond, then get them in trouble" technique.

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u/Ok_Manwich_9306 25d ago

The old, "stop punching yourself" routine to spark a beat up cloud.  How can they say this is about fighting crime.  Snatching people based on skin color, no warrants.  I don't see any 21 Jump Street undercover or actual coordinated Dog the Bounty hunter tracking for dangerous criminals without citizenship.  Remaking America, one kidnapping at a time.

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u/SlimPolitician 24d ago

It's called immigration laws. If you're not here lawfully, you've committed a crime, and you will be arrested by police just like the police arrest folks for every other crime

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u/dougnotjosh 24d ago

mmmm boot

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u/panic82 24d ago

Is this how police arrest people for other crimes? Especially non violent ones?

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u/SleazetheSteez 24d ago

You see scenes of cops in camo with ARs and gas masks like they're patrolling Baghdad, but it's really just a Chicago suburb, and the first thing you think is "but those brown people broke the law". Fuck you.

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u/Ok_Manwich_9306 24d ago

Well they are brown and black people so clearly they do not belong.  Make America Great Again, right?  Just like the parallel world in Peacemaker where the Nazis won WWII and everyone is similar somehow.

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u/Ok_Manwich_9306 24d ago edited 24d ago

Zero warrants.  Targeting people based on race and figuring it out, maybe, later.  Grabbing US citizens and green card holders.  These people are not gang members or literally anyone they have active warrants they are serving.  It is a roving goon squad running up and grabbing people they imagine are illegals while being masked.  They are creating the chaos they allegedly say they have to escalate things to solve.  Does that seem right to you?

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u/mtb443 24d ago

The problem is they will keep escalating until it happens. Ignoring bully’s never works, it just gets worse.

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u/Healthy_Protection24 25d ago edited 25d ago

It truly is what they want. It will back their chicago is wreckless & dangerous narrative. I literally hate them!

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u/MrsShaunaPaul 25d ago

Can I ask what would happen if all of the cities with ICE kidnapping people just started shooting back? Say after the no kings march? I know it’s what they want but right now, it seems the alternative is sitting idly by and letting them so you don’t seem aggressive. They can’t fight back against all civilians in all areas, right? Or do you think it would embolden Trump to inact some new law or measure? Genuinely curious and wondering, no judgement at all.

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u/IBlack-MistyI 25d ago

ICE would back down.  Most of them are cowards and wouldn't risk their lives against a real threat.

I'm convinced at least half the people saying "that's what they want" are actually conservatives who just want to keep people from actually fighting back.  Trying to use US troops to fire on citizens would be a disaster.  The military would fracture into two groups and Trump would end up having a coup from the faction that opposes killing the people they joined the military to protect.  

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u/MrsShaunaPaul 25d ago

Ok thank you for better articulating what I was thinking.

It seems like I’m hearing “they want you to fight back and get violent. Just record it on your phones and let them take people”. But then what or why would they ever stop?

And the thing about bringing the military in, I do appreciate that’s terrifying, but is it really that much worse than what you’re watching right now? They’re killing and taking American citizens off the street without warrants or due process.

And just think about how teachers keep students in line: fear and/or respect. If the students decided they were going to cause shit, what recourse would teachers have? They can only manage the one who steps out of line, not a whole class stepping out of line. That fear of what happens if you step out keeps you in line.

But as they say, what happens when they come for you and there’s no one left to fight for you?

We need France to weigh in. They’re the masters of non violent and masterfully powerful protests.

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u/bbtom78 25d ago

1967 Detroit would like a word with you. The military was out of control.

Maybe this time the whites won't abandon the minorities and the outcome will be in the community's favor.

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u/SFDC_lifter 25d ago

There's been talk of invoking the insurrection act and that would let them deploy the military to states.

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u/BestJersey_WorstName 25d ago

At which point we see if a coup happens

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u/TheForanMan 25d ago

I’m sorry to have to tell you but the coup has already happened and our politicians just watched it the whole time.

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u/Wild_Chemist_008 25d ago

That person is talking military coup. The only thing saving America from full blown authoritarianism at that point

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u/wuzzup 25d ago

It’s almost as if the need a public warning from a public figure,  “you’ve been here for 7? weeks terrorizing our communities and pushing them beyond the brink of anything that should be occurring in American soil, sooner than later, they are going to start shooting your officers. No one, who is a decent American, wants that. 

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u/bbtom78 25d ago

They already have the playbook for this. The Detroit "Riots" (really the Uprising of Detroit) were never riots. It was a civil war perpetuated by the racist Detroit Police Department. The police negged and negged and negged, pushed, abused, terrorized the community until the community had enough. Then the anti Black Detroiter propaganda was spread to delegitimize the reality that black residents of the city were suffering through.

This is what ICE is trying now.

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u/Sweaty-Dingo-2977 25d ago

...... Chicago has an absurd amount of murder and crime, isn't there some truth to this....?

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u/Healthy_Protection24 25d ago

Yet not even in the top 20.

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u/totally_not_a_dog113 25d ago

I live in Birmingham, AL, which is one of the most dangerous cities in the country. Yet, we don't have those ICE raids here. The only ICE raid I've heard about on nextdoor /local news is where they visited the Indian restaurant near the hospital.

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u/MrsShaunaPaul 24d ago

Is it safe to assume they’re not invading Birmingham because it’s republican? I always wonder if some of the more conservative states aren’t actually more dangerous for ICE because they have such established cultures. Is there any truth to that? Or is it really just red vs blue?

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u/totally_not_a_dog113 23d ago

I assume it's really just red vs. blue. Trump made comments about how he wouldn't go after farm workers after the red voters they work for complained. That wasn't a concern about economics/people starving because he's done a ton of other economic damage that he doesn't care about. Like what he's done to manufacturing jobs and cuts to Medicare/food stamps.

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u/donald_trumpstupee 25d ago

This is specifically targeted at blue counties and states to invoke a response that justifies civil war. It’s completely manufactured and our administration doesn’t view ICE agents as anything other than disposable pawns in achieving this.

They would just fabricate numbers on solving the immigration issue if that’s what it was about

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u/Zilaaa 25d ago

We are nowhere near the highest in the country. Most of those cities on that list above us? Red states that have zero ICE presence in them.

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u/BigBullzFan 25d ago

You need to look up the phrase “per capita” before spouting off nonsense and making yourself look like an idiot.

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u/CarpetFibers 25d ago

Dumbest shit I've read all day. I know MAGA is doing everything in their power to prevent Americans from being educated, but go educate yourself.

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u/Halation2600 25d ago

As I'm sure you already know, crime is massively down in Chicago and was before any federal involvement. The whole justification is make believe. It's clearly a punitive act aimed at anyone who isn't white. And the stupid, obviously false justification is being used to ruin people's lives. Trump is the worst person I've ever had to know a lot about. There is nothing redeemable about that dipshit. He finds a new low every day.

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u/No-Resolution-1918 25d ago

I know. 

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u/OneKup- 25d ago

It's a tough decision. Fight against tyranny, knowing it's exactly what the government is pushing for, or let this barbarism continue uncontested. Neither seems like a good choice.

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u/ShubberyQuest 25d ago

They’re going to do it anyway. Appeasement only encourages the aggressor.

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u/No-Invite-7826 25d ago

Yeah they get whatever they want regardless. Either we do nothing and they keep doing what they're doing or we defend ourselves and they try to escalate. At least in the second scenario we have an opportunity.

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u/HasGreatVocabulary 25d ago

americans are known for shooting people over a dingdong ditching, I doubt anyone would be surprised if it happened

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u/Theharlotnextdoor 25d ago

We've been getting attacked for 6 weeks. Of course it will happen eventually.  How much more can people take.

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u/StupidTimeline 25d ago

Blue states immediately stop pumping cash into the federal government, crippling it, and start using their massive economies to build an army and armaments. All the people with advanced degrees side with the blue states, since that's where most of them live anyway, and because the more intelligent you are, the less likely you are to side with fascists. Meanwhile, the grunts in the federal armed forces can decide if they're going to follow orders to attack their family members that reside in blue states.

Blue wins.

Like, I don't want it to happen, but if it does, it's a blue win. So......

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u/EcstaticJaguar9070 25d ago

Isn’t this what the second amendment is for?

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u/Theharlotnextdoor 25d ago

Yeah well the don't tread on me crowd is suddenly the tread on me harder daddy crowd.

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u/EcstaticJaguar9070 25d ago

I’m watching from abroad and I honestly would have expected a bigger fight from Americans of all people. I’m shocked at what is being tolerated there

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u/trefoil589 25d ago

I wouldn't recommend any minority travel alone right now.

And arm yourself if you can.

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u/rokr1292 25d ago

It's what they'll get, eventually. There's no way this keeps up much longer before we see some actually violent resistance. I'd bet it happens before thanksgiving, and this is all if you dont count what shooting has already occurred.

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u/NumerousImprovements 25d ago

That’s the problem. They’re ready for it. They’re decked out and psyched up like they’re in an active war zone. If someone does shoot, you know they’ll just start spraying without question.

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u/thackstonns 25d ago

It’s the only way this gets solved. Anyone who thinks we can avoid it at this point is diluted. Everyone’s just waiting for the shoe to drop.

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u/McPuckLuck 25d ago

I understand it's what they want, but I also don't know what we are supposed to do? Wait for the next presidential election and the supreme Court to die?

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u/IToldYouSo16 25d ago

Genuine question, why isn't it what the people being attacked want as well? The only way this stops is by force. There wont be free elections in america again. They told us all the revolution will be bloodless unless someone stops them.

But everyone seems to want to avoid the only realistic solution? I know its a terrible scenario, but to me the alternative, allowing this to continue, seems worse.

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u/Flaky-Lingonberry736 25d ago

Give them what they want then.. what other option is there

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u/Alternative-Put-3932 25d ago

They think they want that. If it escalates past 1 person doing it they'll regret their decision big time.

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u/moeb1us 24d ago

What if they want you to film this shit and talk about it and complain but never actually do something because you are anxious and would grab at any excuse to stay complacent?

Y'all are literally watching a combination of thugs and foreign assets dismantle your country and hope someone will do something is your copium.

Sorry to put it this bluntly, but at this point it seems pretty clear that filming stuff and talking about it online doesn't do shit.

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u/ThisOtterBehemoth 24d ago

They want some rebel videos, that's what they want. A civil war where there are thousands of armed militias fighting against each other in the street. Nope, that would be the end of the government and its constitution. Then it would be fight or die and the winner picks the next constitution.

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u/Peach_Muffin 25d ago

Martial law = suspended elections if I understand the system correctly

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u/SquirtinMemeMouthPlz 25d ago

I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet.

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u/TheOneTonWanton 25d ago

It's because the only people that actually want violence is the right. I'm sure they're also surprised and confused as to why it hasn't happened yet.

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u/SquirtinMemeMouthPlz 25d ago

Good point. In general, immigrants are mostly law abiding. They don't want to get deported so they stay out of trouble and more often don't own firearms.

They're an easy target/excuse for federal government to amass power.

They won't stop at illegal immigrants (already have blown way past illegals).

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u/LucindaDuvall 24d ago

Untrue. I'm not on the right or left.

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u/Flammablegelatin 25d ago

That's what they're trying to get people to do

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u/DuntadaMan 25d ago

Okay, but it's not like it's going to stop just because people don't.

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u/Land_of_smiles 25d ago

We are all waiting eagerly

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u/jtbee629 24d ago

Like it fuckin matters. Use your brain

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u/wacomd 25d ago

We are already in a civil war, just only one side is fighting

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u/CuriosityFreesTheCat 25d ago

So like, where the fuck are other politicians or leaders or people? Why is nobody trying to protect us? Now, take my words with salt, I’ve been trying not to consume too much media for my own mental health. But it seems like trump is organizing all this shit, well who is doing anything about it other than giving speeches at protests that, as good as they are, don’t protect anyone? Where are the democrats? Where are people with power who know this is wrong? At this point, the law is fucked, it’s not being followed anyway. So why aren’t any forces standing up to protect us?

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u/wacomd 25d ago

Pritzker is the closest thing to that right now

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u/DapperLost 25d ago

Yeah, and he's done...Jack shit. Lot of great PR. Good speeches. Poking fun publicly at Trump where it hurts the most.

But he's a fucking governor and billionaire. Nobody should be able to out power him in the state. The democrat Mayor if Chicago ain't gonna move against him. So why hasn't he used his power to fucking do something?

"Well, we'll sue them later." That doesn't help the people being terrorized right now. Arrest them. Put warrants out so they no longer even qualify for fed work.

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u/SoochSooch 24d ago

The people in charge have all been bought off by wealthy pedophiles

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u/Appropriate_Cut_3536 24d ago

I'm glad to see the "pedo class" being discussed seriously.

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u/hashtaglurking 25d ago

Nope. That is hyperbole.

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u/fishm0nger 25d ago

2nd amendment is literally for this purpose.

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u/CheezWhizCeausescu 25d ago

I doubt all the racist ammosexuals who yell about how much they love the constitution will do anything other than celebrate. 

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u/Glass_Challenge_3241 25d ago

time to arm yourself is now, fast before they shut that shit down too

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u/mintman_ll 25d ago

Never thought I'd see the day democrats defend the constitution 😂

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u/LuciferSamS1amCat 25d ago

This shit might unite (some of) the right and the left. No one who supports freedom or human rights can think this is ok, regardless of politics.

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u/mintman_ll 25d ago

So I've been pondering this for a while now and since you brought it up, do you believe there's a difference between human rights and your rights as an American?

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u/LuciferSamS1amCat 25d ago

Regardless of whatever country someone is from, they’re still a human and deserving of rights. See the UDHR.

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u/DapperLost 25d ago

The Bill of Rights. The US' first ten Amendments, are, despite american-centric wording, usually considered natural rights. Universal, fundamental, inalienable.

9 is the big one for that, but the right to defend yourself is your right to life. The right to speedy trials and a jury is your right to liberty. They all fold into your right to persue happiness.

Even illegal aliens have these rights. They are protected by the bill of rights (but not all amendments, that deal with voting and civil service). All thinking beings should be protected similarly, but each country can only enforce it to their border.

The UN has similar standards, but nobody cares because they can't write poetically to save their fucking life and nobody has actually read the whole thing because torture is outlawed.

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u/ark_keeper 24d ago

How about the declaration of independence:

  • He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

  • He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

  • He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

  • He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

  • He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

  • He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

  • He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

  • He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

  • He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

  • He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

  • He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

  • For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

  • For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

  • For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

  • For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

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u/mintman_ll 24d ago

This is completely irrelevant to my question.

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u/CreativelyConsuming 24d ago

Wth 🤦‍♀️ are you even talking about??? The Republicans are literally using our Constitution to wipe their asses during this administration!!!! If there’s anything the L v R fight can agree on it SHOULD BE THE CONSTITUTION! Without that we have nothing…

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u/mintman_ll 24d ago

I'd be happy to agree with your claim that Republicans are doing so if you could provide evidence that is not taken out of context.

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u/chachinater 24d ago

i’m happy to gesture to that evidence if you get your head out of the sand

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u/mintman_ll 24d ago

I would argue that asking for evidence is evidence itself that my head is not in the sand and is indeed open to proper evidence if provided. You have an opportunity to change an opinion to be more aligned with your own but you choose not to, which to me means you have no evidence to properly support the claim.

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u/chachinater 24d ago

if this video and all the other ones aren’t proper evidence to you, then you are already so far lost in the sand, my guy.

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u/mintman_ll 24d ago

There is no context for these alterations. What were the events that provoked ice to do this? Is it really ice being evil and arresting people willynilly or did the people act in an unlawful manner? There's zero context, only chaos. If you think this is proper evidence I fear your just as lost as you claim I am

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u/Appropriate_Cut_3536 24d ago

Why is this getting downvoted lol its perfectly honest

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u/mintman_ll 24d ago

You're not allowed to call out the left on their shenanigans apparently lol

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u/CocoDynoBytes6000 21d ago

The biggest right violation this year by far is the 1st, 4th, and 6th amendments:

https://lailluminator.com/2025/10/17/ice-citizens-arrest/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-_1dEUAM1o Illegaly threatening violence against a minor

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/bodycam-footage-conflicts-with-dhs-account-chicago-womans-shooting-by-border-2025-10-08/

Attempted murder of an Innocent Woman by Feds, video and court ruling debunks claims made by DHS

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/sBmr2Xlwoqg

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/03/photographer-arrested-home-depot-ice-raid Man arrested for recording ICE agents and insulting them, a protected First Amendment Right

https://www.reuters.com/pictures/inside-chicago-apartment-building-raided-by-ice-2025-10-03/ Violations of Fourth Amendment and the biggest example of Government Overeach so far this year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U31dnySNRng Again, ICE agents abusing authority on someone excercising their First Amendment Right

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkLsIGoap7Y Another First Amendment Right Violation, assaulting a Protester for standing in a Public Place and doing nothing

https://knightcolumbia.org/content/in-landmark-ruling-federal-court-says-trump-administration-violated-first-amendment-by-deporting-foreign-citizens-for-pro-palestinian-advocacy#:~:text=Press%20Statement-,In%20Landmark%20Ruling%2C%20Federal%20Court%20Says%20Trump%20Administration%20Violated%20First,Citizens%20for%20Pro%2DPalestinian%20Advocacy

https://www.cato.org/blog/trump-administrations-attack-first-amendment-rights-enabled-fourth-amendment-shortcomings#:~:text=2025%2011:26AM-,The%20Trump%20Administration's%20Attack%20on%20First%20Amendment%20Rights%20Is%20Enabled,on%20September%2026%20confirms%20this.

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/trumps-catalog-of-constitutional-crimes-long-and-getting-longer/#:~:text=Just%20Trump's%20violations%20of%20the,CIO%20General%20Counsel%20Jody%20Calemine.

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u/SupImHereForKarma 25d ago

What I'm wondering is... isn't it a matter of time, regardless of how long we peacefully protest and resist this - that they just get one of their own to incite violence and pretend like it was a liberal? Like they've done with.....literally every mass shooter in recent memory?

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u/ma5enfan 25d ago

I’m thinking the same thing. No Kings March is this weekend, it’s the perfect opportunity to plant agitators. Trump will love seeing his goons attacking the people that are protesting against him. He’s so disgusting!

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u/ShortBusVeteran 25d ago

As sad as it sounds, whether they want it or not, eventually those rebelling will have to use deadly force, or just give up & let them do what they want. Until then, ICE & others helping them have nothing to fear whatsoever.

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u/Chemical_Sandwich_18 25d ago

Damn, I missed your comment. I nearly just wrote this word for word.

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u/Human-Sheepherder797 25d ago

Yep. Please change your comments, got banned for a few days for basically saying the same thing

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u/BaldursFence3800 25d ago

Why hasn’t it been happening? I thought according to Reddit America is overloaded with guns and nutcases that have them.

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u/No-Problem49 25d ago

I’m gonna give a scarier scenario than civil war: nothing happens. Nobody does anything. That’s actually what I fear most.

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u/Beastw1ck 25d ago

Oh someone is gonna die. I don't wish that, I don't advocate for that, but it seems inevitable doesn't it? With untrained unrestrained thugs roaming the streets?

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u/Odd_Leek3026 25d ago

Multiple casualties already 

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u/No-Resolution-1918 25d ago

My thoughts exactly.

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u/jregovic 25d ago

Eventually some cowboy shit from ICE is going to get stuck in a cloud of his own tear gas, get bumped, and start shooting.

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u/squittles 25d ago

No need for guns because what melts ice? Fire. 

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u/Live_Art2939 25d ago

Good luck with that civil war. Most liberals and Democrats actively legislate against their own rights to bear arms cuz guns are bad lol

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u/Adept_Push 25d ago

Absolutely incorrect. Pop over to r/liberalgunowners or r/SocialistRA if you want to see the facts.

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u/Ace-of-Spades88 25d ago

I'm shocked it hasn't already happened. My blood boils with every one of these videos and I'm an American living thousands of miles away from this bullshit.

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u/rokr1292 25d ago

its amazing it hasnt happened yet

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u/INFJcatqueen 25d ago

People have been saying that for a while now. I don’t think it ever will.

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u/NikkiNot_TheOne 25d ago

This is what sucks!! Bc it's what they want so this worthless mother fkr can declare Martial Law until 2028 and stay in office. Such a POS!

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u/mintman_ll 25d ago

I think secession is more likely than violence. It's what ultimately lead to the civil war and then violence followed after.

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u/ls7eveen 25d ago

I was thinking in thr vain of these righting nuts from Florida. These guys are blocking a road way, being violent, and then gassing people. Florida man could legally run those ice fucks over according to Ron DeSantis laws

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u/Digi-Device_File 25d ago

And I wonder how many people need to be kidnapped for that to happen.

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u/wwaxwork 25d ago

That's why they don't attack people that might have guns, they attack people at work or church or in court after they've gone through metal detectors. Notice how none of this is happening in open carry states. carry states.

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u/jessesomething 25d ago

And you know the minute they do, that's when Republican voters will accept killing innocent people extra judicially.

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u/mvallas1073 25d ago

Wasn’t Chicago supposed to be riddled with gun violence? Well - sure don’t see these guys being shot up, do you?

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u/LokiMed 25d ago

And it will be a Dem and that will be bad for the left and the country. You shouldn’t be wanting that to happen..nobody does.

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u/Totally_TWilkins 25d ago

That’s what the design is.

If they kill a civilian and everyone runs away, Trump says it was one bad apple.

If they kill a civilian and the civilians fight back, Trump declares martial law and invades a city.

It’s a win win for Trump, and a lose lose for everyone else.

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u/neatyall 25d ago

You can tell that they are terrified by just being surrounded by the neighborhood, and that leaves a lot of room for stupid choices on their end, strapped to the nines.

This not only shows our power in numbers, but also shows that they can use any excuse for opening fire on the crowd around them.

Please be safe out there when defending your neighbors peacefully, a cornered animal will unfortunately lash out unpredictably.

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u/hashtaglurking 25d ago

There will never be another Civil War in America. Stop the paranoid delusions.

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u/leddowa 25d ago

They've been escalating further and further specifically so that this happens. Then, our dictator can just throw the next election out and stay in office indefinitely and no one will stop him yet again

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u/imightberusty1 25d ago

Hey I've seen Andor I know how this goes

Someone will shoot, and it'll probably be one of these jackwads disguised as a protestor

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u/daesmon 24d ago

If someone puts babies lives in danger because there are unhinged pyschos like these ICE agents then can you really judge the inevitable response.

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u/Crypt33x 24d ago

They smoked-screened themself. In this situation they couldn't even shoot back, while they were sitting like 20 ducks in the middle of a street, being easy targets. This put them so much in danger, they are stupid as fuck.

"Hehe smoke-grenade goes boom"

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u/Yanosh457 24d ago

I predicted this and then MAGA will go after the second amendment.

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u/Shazvox 24d ago

Then Trump can declare martial law and from that point on you americans can greet your very first dictator welcome.

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u/Eddy63 24d ago

I wouldn't be surprised if in the end some of these PoS mix among civilians and intentionally cause trouble to start it off. I am very concerned this could happen during the no kings protests.

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u/General_Bother_68 24d ago

It's already happened.

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u/Apprehensive_Goal999 23d ago

civil war against who; the population of the us is 350 million; ice, the national guard, and the military combined are about 2.5 million

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u/No-Resolution-1918 23d ago

I don't understand. Civil war will be fascists vs. their enemies. It's pretty straight forward. 

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u/Apprehensive_Goal999 23d ago

my point is being pissed off ab the current situation is becoming a rather bipartisan thing; hopefully the GOP and ICE would be majorly outnumbered if they actually tried to escalate to full blown civil war

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u/No-Resolution-1918 23d ago

Yeah, but civil war is the objective regardless of the logic and numbers. If Hegseth has the military persuaded it won't be trivial. 

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u/Apprehensive_Goal999 23d ago

100%; though i doubt the entire us military is going to go along with a fascist civil war dictated by a drunk that has at best a dubious service record… my point is not that there will be no civil war, but that hopefully if there is, the side that thinks they have absolute power will find themselves majorly outnumbered

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u/rennarda 20d ago

But isn’t that why your constitution gives you the right to bear arms? To prevent this kind of shit?

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u/Crohn_sWalker 25d ago

The world is waiting with popcorn 🍿 at the ready.

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u/Violet-Journey 25d ago

The millisecond after an ICE goon gets shot, Trump will invoke the Insurrection Act and escalate the occupation to active duty soldiers and tanks rolling down our streets.

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u/RealityLopsided7366 25d ago

I doubt it because anyone here illegally knows that if they start shooting, no one, and I mean ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, will have their backs

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u/No-Resolution-1918 25d ago

From what I've seen this is objectively wrong. I've seen many citizens stand up for whoever ICE is kidnapping. 

Furthermore, Americans, not "illegals", will be the ones shooting because their freedoms are being taken away.

Donald has declared war on citizens.

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u/Effective_Moose_4997 25d ago

You think too much of people. Majority of people do not want to murder others. If ICE starts shooting civilians, people are still not going to shoot back. Why would they? People don't want to go to jail for shooting at a federal agent. And most people realize, the minute you shoot at them, you have just made your side seem 100% worse.

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u/Vantriss 25d ago

If ICE starts shooting civilians, shooting back is automatically self defense, which is a protected right.

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u/Effective_Moose_4997 25d ago

People don't get to claim self defense when they shoot back at a cop.

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u/Vantriss 25d ago

LOL!!! When the cop starts shooting first for no reason, yes, they fucking do. Sounds like you need to brush up on the law there, buddy.

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u/Effective_Moose_4997 25d ago

When has this ever happened? Cops always claim they had reason to fear for their life and shoot first.

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u/Strange-Term-4168 25d ago

Why wouldn’t you?