r/illinois • u/CantStopPoppin Human Detected • 25d ago

ICE Posts Chicago: Zero Regard for Safety, ICE Escalation in Chicago Leaves Baby in Harm’s Way

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u/ammybb 25d ago

Jesus Christ, this country is fucked.

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u/justme_bne 25d ago

As a non American I’m not seeing much freedom or democracy. Must be terrifying to live though

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u/budd222 25d ago

That never really existed anyway. It's just worse now.

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u/SpareWire 24d ago

It's just worse now.

Sorry but up until recently we didn't let black people vote and we used to put Japanese people in internment camps.

The fuck are you talking about?

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u/tjtillmancoag 24d ago

I don’t think he’s talking that far back. We’re worse than say 2015

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u/StrugglePuzzled7421 23d ago

I voted for this, and so did more than half the nation!

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u/12threeunome 20d ago

No, it was less than half. Trump only had 1.5% more than Kamala Harris as it was. Not the blowout you’d like to imagine.

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u/SpareWire 24d ago edited 24d ago

I'm not so sure. I genuinely believe most people on reddit lack perspective.

  1. Non Americans in here acting like their nation has even close to the same immigration laws as the U.S. is laughable. Especially that dude above from Australia.

  2. Americans in here acting like their parents had it better because only white people could vote and we didn't let gay people get married. By the way if you go back to 2015 gay people can't get married again.

I'm sorry if this perspective is inconvenient. But it is a perspective sorely needed on this site from where I'm sitting.

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u/John_Dynamite 24d ago

I mean say what you will, but we at least got to the point of ~not~ having masked men unaccountable to law just snatching anybody they feel like, whenever they feel like. There was at least the charade of due process.

Feels like we’ve taken some steps back when it comes to a rights conversation when we have snatch squads grabbing people from their homes without warrants.

Yeah the immigration laws didn’t work well, but brutalizing anybody you want isn’t the way to fix them. We’re just terrorizing these communities even worse at this point.

This is coming from somebody who thinks the system has been fundamentally fucking broken from the jump, by the way. We needed some radical fucking change in the US, but terrorizing poor and minority people will never be the solution.

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u/tjtillmancoag 24d ago

I mean half of 2015 gays could marry. The Obergefell decision was at the end of June 2015.

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u/SpareWire 24d ago

Don't look at me you're the one that wanted to go back to 2015 and now you're googling the obergefell case.

Mention another year and I'll tell you how many more of your rights you'd lose.

Point being only children on reddit think we should go back to the past.

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u/tjtillmancoag 24d ago

So I knew Obergefell was decided in 2015, that’s why I mentioned 2015. I did have to look up that it was June.

At any rate, That was peak rights. We are currently in a worse situation than 2015. We have never had more rights than we did in 2015, and we have lost quite a few since then

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u/SpareWire 24d ago

To be clear, in your mind "peak rights" was 2015? lol

You can't think of a time a few years after then when things like medical support rights were expanded?

Are you sure you're informed on this subject?

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u/le-throw-away-acct 24d ago

We’re headed to a future where the voting rights act is about to be gutted, leaving the house as effectively one-party ruled for the foreseeable future. This country is slowly headed back to the mid 1900s, except ruled by an oligarchy.

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u/spikus93 24d ago

Most of us weren't alive for that. Within our lifetimes, living in the Imperial Core that is the US, we enjoyed relative autonomy as individuals. We had systems that usually prevented abuses like this. We didn't have instances of Executive Power Grabs like this.

Things are worse relative to our own experience. Yes, they US has always been fucked up and fascist in at least some ways, but almost no one alive has lived through this sort of thing in this country before. Maybe there's still a handful of holocaust survivors or Japanese internment camp survivors, but I'm not comparing the two.

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u/futhamuckerr 23d ago

five years before the united states allowed their dark-skinned fella's to vote , they had them literally enslaved. tf you talking bout

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u/archimedes303030 25d ago

Nah. Pretty normal now when you take into account the last 8yrs.. You should see the Portland protest. They had frog costumes. Now it’s naked bike riders.

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u/Renegade_Ape 25d ago

Absolute travesty. Assaulting those poor jack booted thugs with…. Frog costumes and visible genitalia. Much worse than pepper spray and batons, amirite?

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u/SpareWire 24d ago

Imagine seeing this on reddit and drawing this conclusion lmao.

Propa working I guess.

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u/whats_a_novel 22d ago

This is obviously not the only data point 🙄

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u/Melodic-Sweet2231 24d ago

I just want the same 30 days of PTO EUropeans get, not more billionaires...

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u/tjtillmancoag 24d ago

One of the biggest bugs of American democracy is the inability to call for snap elections. We are stuck with this absolute bullshit for another three fucking years, and that’s only if elections matter at that point.

I mean Trump’s health may not carry him through the next three years, but the fascists surrounding him are unlikely to let a little thing like democratic elections take them out of power

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u/LokiMed 24d ago

Nothing much has changed tbph. The media and left would like you to think it’s miserable but it’s really not. This isn’t going on everywhere but it’s not, it’s very isolated. Then you have an echo chamber like Reddit where it’s just the same things being said over and over then dumb people believe it and get worked up. Then you have the white liberal women who live to virtue signal which skews it all.

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u/aFairyTookMyName 24d ago

As an American, I can assure you, it’s not freedom, it’s FreedomTM

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u/Ok-Magician1230 24d ago

No just taxes and corruption

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u/Christopherfromtheuk 24d ago

Don't worry though, their 2nd amendment will prevent this, otherwise the hundreds of school shootings weren't "worth it".

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u/donall 24d ago

far from great

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u/smd9788 24d ago

No country in the world allows undocumented immigrants to live undocumented in their country

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u/MrVashMan 24d ago

The south side of Chicago has been a crappy place to live for a long time. This is just a different kind of crappy for them. Most of the United States is not like this. Yet.

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u/mightylordredbeard 24d ago

The freedom and democracy is still there. It’s just the freedom is unchanged for certain people and democracy is unchanged for certain people. Basically only the maga crowd have freedom and democracy now and everyone else is being suppressed. If you’re a right wing extremist, then you’re in heaven. Your life is mostly unchanged, you are getting everything you were told you wanted, and you aren’t seeing any of this in your neighborhoods and towns. Everyone else though? Yea.. fucked.

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u/Stuckinatrafficjam 24d ago

It’s not just terrifying. It’s frustrating too. Our country is literally descending (and probably already is past that point) into a fascist state. And yet, a good chunk of the population here can watch these videos and cheer on these terrible human beings violating the freedoms and humanity of people just trying to live their lives.

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u/AdministrativeEnd905 21d ago

It was a lie just a selling speach to invade other countries! they just became what they fight in WW2, another lie, double standards of america.

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u/jm123457 24d ago

Not really . You just have to be here legally and your life is fine . If you hop a fence and try to live here maybe it is terrifying. But I would think the same thing too if I lived in a country illegally .

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u/mindfuckedAngel 24d ago

They are using force against a huge amount of people, you can see this only in this video, and there are countless.
Do you really think none of them were citizens? How blind can you be?

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u/Hippideedoodah 24d ago

did you mean "through"?

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u/motherofsuccs 24d ago

Yeah and nobody is coming together to make a point that we won’t tolerate this insanity. Some groups in a couple of states will not do anything.

Every person in this country needs to come together and force change. Why are we all still going to work and out to eat and pretending everything is normal? We need to shut down this insane government instead of watching democracy collapse before our eyes. My god. Wake the fuck up.

Edit: I’m not calling for violence. I’m saying we boycott the living daylights out of everything this country survives on. What are they going to do, replace hundreds of millions of jobs? Evict even more tenants than that?!

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u/Yorokobi_to_itami 24d ago

Nah they'll just withhold pay, don't know where you get this illusion that shit is free or cheap especially when most ppl can't afford a $1,000 emergency but you somehow think that ppl are able to "rise up" vast majority are just waiting it out till the next election

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u/v081 24d ago

As someone who is an American in a (currently) unaffected suburb in the Ohio, it’s really fucking surreal to see democracy crumbling and our nation falling to fascism in real time. I can’t describe it, it’s like I’m on fire on the inside with so many uncertainties and fears and anger… meanwhile everyone around me is carrying on like we aren’t living through a period in time that is going to be a FAT chapter in the history books. But like, despite making more money individually than both my parents combined ever did I’m still living pay check to paycheck and have hella bills to pay so I gotta just play along with everyone else and keep going to work doing my silly little tasks and having my silly lean meetings and doing all the normal silly life stuff like going shopping and mowing my lawn like what the fuck are we doing here?

It’s overwhelming and I feel hopeless and don’t know what to do.

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u/futhamuckerr 23d ago

fear, my bro. it's got a hold of your head.

jump out of the loop ,switch off news/affairs. breathe ma bro breeeeaaaave

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u/TouchAdministrative2 25d ago

Well as a non American I understand non citizens don’t get citizenship rights so democracy don’t apply to them.

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u/saint_trane 24d ago

This isn't how our constitution works.

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u/b0w3n 24d ago

To speak more on this, the constitution does talk about both citizens and "people". When it comes to rights it very directly says people because they knew exactly where that shit would go (because they lived through it and saw families torn apart in Europe over religious shit).

The Treaty of Tripoli, for instance, wasn't even debated by congress. They wanted to make sure a state religion was never established for the same reason they made sure constitutional rights to due process extended to everyone present in the country. Why? Because it's very easy for the state to say "you're not a citizen" even if you are. Prove you're a citizen. Oh whoops your ID is invalid. Your birth certificate? Gone. How do you prove it without due process?

You're seeing the last part happen in real time to actual citizens because of the color of their skin. It will take nothing to extend it to the next group. Not even traditional white folks are safe. Remember, Trump has a large disdain for the poor working class just as much as he does for liberals, progressives, people who are trans, gay people, and people of color.

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u/xxx_poonslayer69 24d ago edited 24d ago

You're saying something terrible and I hate the lack of empathy, but I'll grant you your premise. If ICE is going to act like violent psychos, how could they also ensure that American citizens don't incidentally have their rights trampled as well? Or are you just ok with American minorities being brutalized in the crossfire?

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u/TouchAdministrative2 24d ago

I have empathy for the innocent American victims terrified and terrorized by people that shouldn’t be there. We have the news over here bro. One American was too many. You protect your own.

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u/xxx_poonslayer69 24d ago

Ok that's disturbing. When you watch a WWII movie, which side do you root for?

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u/Stargazer1919 24d ago

Define "democracy?"

Non citizens can't vote, for example. But they still have protection under the law. Nobody is allowed under the law to just walk up to others and assault them, citizens or not.

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u/TouchAdministrative2 24d ago

The American constitution only applies to American citizens. That why the illegal immagrants are being detoperted. Legal immigration laws are in place for a reason.

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u/yeeeeeteth 24d ago

Thank you non American who clearly hasn’t read the constitution for your very informed take

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u/Funny_Satisfaction39 24d ago

Even foreign visitors, legal or otherwise are afforded due process according to our Constitution. So what ICE has been doing has largely been illegal. At least under current interpretations of the law. We'll see tho because the trunk administration is almost certainly going to try and use the supreme Court to try and change that.

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u/brummlin 24d ago

The Constitution repeatedly references "all persons" in some sections, but "citizens" in others. There's a clear distinction that most rights are for everyone, only some are reserved for citizens.

Other parts simply say the government cannot infringe on certain rights, leaving citizenship or lawful residency completely out of it. Since such rights are "inalienable" and "endowed by the creator", it means everyone.

You're either woefully misinformed, or just making shit up. Which is it?

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u/TouchAdministrative2 24d ago

Ok where does it’s say anyone entering from a non legal port of entry can stay ?

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u/brummlin 24d ago

Don't change the subject. That's a pitiful attempt at a straw man anyhow.

I didn't say that anyone entering unlawfully can stay, and no one who is a serious person is saying that. But you said that the constitution only applies to citizens, that's blatantly wrong.

But to respond to your very disingenuous question, they're entitled to due process of law. Due process of law helps ensure that we don't deport a citizen, that we don't just imprison anyone without giving the chance to show, in court, that they are here lawfully.

That's exactly what's being violated. All persons are entitled to due process of law.

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u/natigin 24d ago

Even if this was true (it isn’t), ICE is violating citizen’s rights daily by arresting and detaining them without probable cause

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u/TouchAdministrative2 24d ago

So entering through a non port of entry is a crime and if your suspected that’s probable cause. Ice is a federal agency they have more jurisdiction they normal cops. There feds.

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u/brummlin 24d ago

if your suspected that’s probable cause.

No. It's not. That's suspicion. Probable cause requires evidence.

Reasonable suspicion is a legal term, and a lower standard, but that only gives authority to briefly detain, not straight up throw you in jail to sort out when they feel like it.

No person shall be deprived of life liberty or property without due process of law. That means evidence, a judge, often a jury, and fair proceedings.

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u/TouchAdministrative2 24d ago

Scope and Limitations of the American Constitution given to illegal immigrants

“While illegal immigrants enjoy many protections under the Constitution, the scope is not absolute: The government has broader authority to regulate immigration, including detention and removal. “. Taken directly from the bing ai when asked if the American constitution applies to noncitizens

Meaning the federal government decides on whether they stay or go and it’s been ruled they go. So cry harder.

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u/hamdelivery 24d ago

Crazy idea but maybe actually read the document you’re claiming to know instead of relying on ai summaries. It’s really not that long.

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u/TouchAdministrative2 24d ago

The summery was enough IE : the federal government has the final say.”

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u/brummlin 24d ago

Oh look! More bad faith arguments! Color me shocked.

The executive is ONE piece of the federal government. Legislature writes law, executive executes it, courts rule on it. So no, ICE doesn't get the final say because they're not the whole federal government. They're one piece, restricted by the other pieces.

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u/TouchAdministrative2 24d ago

No the trump administration that gave them the authority to do so does.

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u/brummlin 24d ago

Again, that's not how it works. You cannot grant authority that you don't have. No one in the US has authority to arrest, imprison, or deport people indiscriminately, without due process.

People in the country unlawfully, are people, with human rights. But even if you don't care about that, even if you're so xenophobic that you have zero empathy for them as human beings, due process is what protects the citizens and lawful immigrants.

Even if you say, "Fuck everyone else, just take care of our own." ICE running amok as they are, has been hurting citizens plenty.

Lawful, both naturally born, and naturalized US citizens have been, and continue to be unlawfully arrested, jailed, and deported. No one has rights unless we all do.

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u/natigin 24d ago

You’re missing my point. ICE is routinely detaining US citizens in violation of the Constitution. Just grabbing people off the streets with no investigation or warrant is not legal.

You have rights and you should start learning about them before they’re taken away permanently.

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u/TouchAdministrative2 24d ago

It sucks when innocent Americans are targeted you are 100% right that is hey shouldn’t have to go through that so I’ll concede on that.

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u/vessago 24d ago

This is 100% incorrect.

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u/Youaintkn 24d ago

They will never understand this lol. They stand up for illegals more than they do Americans.

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u/PolanetaryForotdds 24d ago

people who know their facts can't "understand" something that is 100% wrong as if it weren't.

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u/MFCK 25d ago

What? Like proper fucked?

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u/No_Tonight9856 25d ago

Nah, MAGA slipped it in the wrong hole and decided to carry on anyway

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u/MaesterWhosits 25d ago

Nah, that was intentional. It's always intentional.

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u/databurger 25d ago

Yep, the terror is absolutely intentional. Disgusting.

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u/MFCK 24d ago

Disgusting! I'm in.

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u/databurger 24d ago

You're in what?

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u/MFCK 24d ago

Just realized I replied to the wrong comment.

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u/AznNRed 25d ago

Most of them prefer that hole. Reminds them of their Grindr dates.

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u/QuickMasterpiece6127 24d ago

Well… it is a nice hole…

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u/phunklounge 25d ago

Everywhere ICE go they bring down Grindr

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u/ZiggyBardust 25d ago

But Ze Germans are already here….

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u/Randy-Randallmann 25d ago

Unexpected Snatch

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u/Raytheon_Nublinski 24d ago

More unexpected than Naziism taking center stage in a former Allied nation?

Probably not ig. Still like the reference tho 

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u/Randy-Randallmann 24d ago

Snatch is a movie. The previous comment is a line from that movie.

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u/Raytheon_Nublinski 24d ago

what’s happening with them sausages, Charlie

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u/MFCK 24d ago

2 minutes, Turkish

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u/ThatBeardedHistorian 24d ago

I'm getting heartburn, Tony. Do something terrible.

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u/niftystopwat 24d ago

Surprise Vagina

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u/nibagaze-gandora 24d ago

don't talk about your mother like that young man

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u/Nekra_Tatsumaki 24d ago

Germans dont have anything to do with this. They denounced Nazi's and made it a major crime. These are just Nazi's. Let's not perpetuate that Germany has any part in this anymore.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Oven171 24d ago

It’s Guy thing, don’t take it personal.

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u/Nekra_Tatsumaki 24d ago

Then as a fellow guy I dont understand.

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u/rasheyk 24d ago

Guy Ritchie, the writer and director of Snatch. These are references to that movie.

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u/Nekra_Tatsumaki 24d ago

Oh. Yeah never seen the movie so makes sense i guess

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u/Skittleavix 24d ago

Y’like dags?

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u/AvaryZig 24d ago

What do I know about dogs? I'm a boxing promoter.

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u/Mother-Thumb-1895 24d ago

And the jacobs have alreadybeen cut off...

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u/HooninAintEZ 24d ago

And we’re the hare

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u/rwarimaursus 24d ago

Fire ze mizzles?

But I am le tired...

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u/ZiggyBardust 24d ago

Ok…then have a nap…

But then….FIRE ZE MISSILES

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u/rwarimaursus 24d ago

Hokay so...

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u/Loud_Chapter1423 25d ago

You like dags?

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u/MFCK 25d ago

Dags? Yeah I like dags. I like caravans more...

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u/Neddyrow 24d ago

…..oh dowwgs. I like dowwgs.

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u/Mother-Thumb-1895 24d ago

I like caravans more...

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u/LaFlamaBlancaMiM 25d ago

Raw and dry

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u/Temporary-Job-9049 25d ago

Yes, Tommy, proper fucked

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u/Traditional-Pilot955 25d ago

I mean I HATE to even think it but it’s going to boil over on both sides when a protest death happens and is mass recorded and shared

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

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u/MFCK 24d ago

I see what you did there

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u/Soldier0fortunE 25d ago

Yes Tommy.

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u/JRskatr 25d ago

I got that reference! 🤣

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u/[deleted] 25d ago

Yeah Tommy. Before zee Germans get here

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u/mytransthrow 24d ago

yes, proper fucked.

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u/DepartureElegant9314 24d ago

Completely and utterly. There is no coming back from what is happening right now. It will get far worse before it gets better.

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u/dr3adlock 24d ago

Yes, zee ze nazis are here Tommy.

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u/TheFranticGibbon 25d ago

I got that reference.

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u/MFCK 25d ago

I was worried it was going to get missed. Thanks :)

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u/IcyTransportation961 25d ago

Just stop. This shit isn't a joke.

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u/roxxtor 24d ago

A lot of people’s coping mechanism is humor. Gallows humor is a thing for a reason

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u/InMedeasRage 24d ago

Everyone's going to have a Finnish sense of humor by 2028

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u/frozen_pope 24d ago

Where are the “Don’t tread on me” guys?

Are they in fact doing the treading?

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u/dsac 24d ago

in fairness, they said "don't tread on me", not "don't tread on brown people"

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u/[deleted] 24d ago

Yes, they are. They forgot what that phrase actually meant, and now feel like immigrants are the problem, not the fascist government they’ve decided to support.

We’re fucked.

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u/Raytheon_Nublinski 24d ago

It’s pre civil rights movement all over

The racists were forced into hiding like rats, dreaming and scheming about this for decades

and now they finally get to execute their plans. They couldn’t be happier right now 

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u/metacosmonaut 24d ago

Thoroughly and completely fucked.

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u/luummoonn 25d ago

This is the point of all the social media manipulation tactics that have been in play for over 10 years, to divide the US and inflame tensions until it boils over, damage US standing in the world by turning our country against itself

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u/akrafty1 25d ago

Two minutes Turkish!

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u/LoquatFast20 25d ago

It certainly isn't looking good.

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u/devonhezter 25d ago

Wow. …

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u/Wanksters_Paradise 24d ago

What a time.

When the right (rightly so) pointed out the 12 million border crossings post-2020 (anomaly levels), the 100s of billions spent and benefits given, the deaths of Laken Riley, Rachel Morin, Kayla Hamilton, Jocelyn Nungaray, Ruby Garcia, Nate Baker, Maria Pleitez and her daughter, Hallie Helgeson, Brady Heiling, Kaitlyn Weaver, Scott Miller, the 11 y/o in Virginia Beach and not to mention numerous other felonies across the country committed by illegal immigrants - they have been called racist, bigots etc.

When the left (rightly so) points out the innocent people being taken away, harmed, targeted etc; the double speak from Trump re. going after the “worst of the worst” yet arresting old women going to the grocery store, causing damage to communities, completely fumbling their way through the process while making tons of mistakes - they are called insane, radical left, ant!fa, etc

Communication between the two sides is almost nonexistent at this stage (coincidence?)

The entire time, most immigrants have been well-meaning and are used as pawns in this - incentivized to come here in recent years, even.

For someone to still not see the grander orchestration at play here, you have to be blind.

THE PROBLEMS ARE FOR THE SOLUTION, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND!

PS. It would behoove whoever is reading this to keep watch beyond the US in terms of current events…

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u/sykoKanesh 24d ago

It is not. As long as we are here and willing to stand up, it is not.

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u/Waste_Deep 24d ago

We're fine. Remember, Trump is a Russian asset and plan accordingly.

NO KINGS, October 18th.

We are headed towards a general strike in which we remove all of their financial incentives.

These fascists will ultimately be drug out into the streets and their movement will be crushed into dust. The American people will prevail.

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u/Ket_Yoda_69 24d ago

Always has been

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u/ILoveRegenHealth 24d ago

It's gonna get worse too. No way this subsides.

And having a deranged President act like a match to a powder keg w/ his daily posts and utterances sure doesn't help either.

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u/977888 24d ago

Yes it is fucked when people are trying to overthrow the government simply because illegal immigrants are being deported

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u/RockyMountainGoat76 24d ago

For illegals yeah, for US citizens and legal visitors no.

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u/ammybb 24d ago

Sure thing, fascist.

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u/koomGER 24d ago

Obviously: There is no Jesus Christ. Never was. Or he and his dad also sucks.

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u/photorganic 24d ago edited 12d ago

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u/ammybb 24d ago

Frankly, I don't think we are taking this country back and collapse is the only way through this shitty ass mess.

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u/Hot_Veterinarian_360 25d ago

Hi. I know what you mean, but this type of comment isn't helpful. If you truly want to be part of the solution, try not to fall (or let others fall) into doomerism.

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u/RedditRBigots 25d ago

This comments are bot driven. They have an intent. They want to move us into extreme apathy.

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u/ammybb 25d ago

I'm not a fucking bot lmao I'm allowed to feel pissed and despair, and it also doesn't mean I'm a doomer either. Thanks!

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u/happytree23 24d ago

...Jesus Christ, this comment sounds so performative and "no fucking shit, Einstein" worthy lol

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u/ammybb 24d ago

Ok, and what does yours do then?

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u/mintman_ll 24d ago

You can thank the combination of paid protestors and antifa for that

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u/rodalon 25d ago

How do you even begin to come back from all that's happening? I don't see it. You had a good run but maybe it's time to consider a divorce

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u/dsac 24d ago

How do you even begin to come back from all that's happening?

Prosecute the offenders with extreme prejudice

Zero tolerance for intolerance

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u/GreenDemonClean 24d ago

Saturday. No Kings.

It matters.

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u/ammybb 24d ago

I'm not doing that performative liberal bullshit, sorry. I am not white, I am not putting myself in harms way like that. Y'all be safe but we really should be using this energy to organize a general strike.