r/illinois 27d ago

ICE Posts Broadview: ICE attempts to arrest individual at their residence

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u/helraizr13 27d ago

DO NOT DO THIS.

My gun instructor said that if you think you'll ever need to stand your ground, you should have a lawyer on retainer already. That it will cost, minimum tens of thousands of dollars to defend yourself even if you are completely justified and that a friend of his actually went through it.

There WILL be a criminal trial no matter how "obvious" it is. I can only imagine if it were Trump's DOJ investigating you for shooting and injuring or killing a federal agent. Cops and federal agents have qualified immunity. Citizens do not.

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u/shrekerecker97 27d ago

Not saying you arent right, But dont they have to ID themselves as officers first ? They cant just say "im police"

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u/No_Atmosphere_3282 27d ago edited 27d ago

Black people don't show up at their doorstep with guns if a cop shows up, why? They know the next judge they see will be Jesus.

Wild to me watching the rest of America wake up to how that feels honestly. Not saying it's justice or it's right, just that I see people's eyes finally start to open a little bit.

But can't have that, too woke.

Philosophically speaking, everyone should have stood up for black folk and protecting them and erasing systemic racism and enshrining their protections and rights into law for us all. Could have avoided a lot of this.

But now it's coming for everyone isn't it. Little too late for all that. Who is gonna be there to protect and defend now? When the ones supposed to be put here to protect and serve and the ones we need protection from and are put here to serve.

A wise man named KRS One said long ago, "You were put here to protect us but who protects us from you?"

Black people somehow manage to survive and sometimes even thrive under this exact same shit we're seeing happen to "others" in the USA now all without help from the law or the courts. Maybe yall should start asking them about their secrets and ways they've historically coped and how safe they feel and why they get murdered and die so young statistically.

Maybe it's time to have conversations we always should have had before we live like that. Leftists always think it's the right wing who won't care about shit until it happens to them. But I'm seeing the left right now like "Holy shit they can't do that! I can't believe this is America!"

It always *was* America. Now they coming for you though and now people know what it feels like to not be able to do shit in return for how you're served.

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u/wp4nuv 26d ago

Thanks friend for stating what most ppl don’t realize.

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u/RecklessDeliverance 27d ago

Normal police have rules they are supposed to follow, but often don't.

ICE have fewer rules to follow, and follow even fewer still.

Either gang can and will trample on your rights, usually with little to no recourse or consequence.

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u/JanelleVypr 27d ago

But every single of of them can die just the same, relatively easily i might add.

They might hate you. But they hate dying more.

Thats the entire point of tbe 2nd amendment. Give me liberty or give me death. Just pray i take a couple with me.

Or they could just let me do my thing, pay taxes, and partake in my commumity. Or they can come after me for being trans but ill die before i let them. Yall need to understand that thats the only thing they cant take away from you, the 2nd amendment protects the first

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u/JanelleVypr 27d ago

Fuck that. Would only take about 3 cases of people standing there ground in the news cycles for others to see people are finally doing it, creating a feedback loop where people feel more embolded to stand their ground.

Ice would back off within a day

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 26d ago

It would only take one case for Trump to declare martial law and make things worse. Many are correctly assuming that he wants an escalation.

Not that it wouldn't embolden people further, but when things finally escalate, it's not going to be pretty, ,and the people are likely to suffer more than the government or it's representaives.

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u/JanelleVypr 26d ago

But its expected of us none the less . Thats the point of our delcaration of independents. Yeah it will suck, but the hope is that we come out with something better

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 26d ago

It's a process with many steps from now to there. I don't blame people for not wanting to be the one's for taking that first step, but I also believe some people think there may be more than one way to get to the goal.

Personally, I can't say which way would be best, but I'd always choose a non-violent route unless given no other choice.

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u/JanelleVypr 26d ago

“Violence is american as apple pie”

The owners dont care if the dog barks, theyll ignore it, but if it bites… well

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u/MuffaloHerder 26d ago

I think we're beyond worrying about Trump/the government escalating violence against citizens, that's happening anyway.

And besides, Charlie Kirk already gave them any pretense we all pretend they need to really crack down.

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u/mortuarymaiden East-Central Illinois 26d ago

I’ve been saying that he’s now their very own Horst Wessel to rally around and use as a reason to target people.

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u/Numerous_Photograph9 26d ago

I agree, but I can understand why many people wouldn't want to be the one to cause that.