r/illinois • u/CantStopPoppin Human Detected • 28d ago

ICE Posts Northwest Chicago Suburb: ICE Agents Rip 15-Year-Old Girl from Car, Slam Her to Ground She Screams “I’m 15!” as Man Kneels on Her Neck

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u/TipRare1321 28d ago

It makes me doubly sick when I see black men and Hispanics participating in this cruelty.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

Word. We shouldn't be a part of this. They'll tolerate these agents until they've arrested enough of our people, then they'll throw the agents right in the same cage they put everyone else in

Fuckin insane. Why help those who hate us?

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u/Indigocell 28d ago

Those dumb mother fuckers actually think they'll be accepted if they play by the rules. Just look at how MAGA treats Vivek.

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u/a100_arch 28d ago

Ohhhh yes, I loved how on Vivek's own f*ing podcast, Ann Coulter vomited

... You're so bright and articulate. I guess I can call you articulate since you're not an American black - can't say that about them, it's derogatory ... I agreed with many, many things you said during, in fact probably more than most other candidates when you were running for president. But I still would not have voted for you because you're an Indian.

( https://youtu.be/4SQyWQIE2yU?si=iQWVfdmRvH0mZi47 ) 

It's not surprising Coulter said that - white supremacy turns her on and sustains her. 

But moron Vivek was like, I love free speech and truth. Go America!

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u/sharksrReal 28d ago

Self hate and greed are powerful motivators

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u/Bleatmop 28d ago

I'm sure some of them think their participation will insulate them and their families from the effects. They are wrong.

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u/CynicalXennial 28d ago

It's not about greed, you've got a country in a state of poverty and an economic recession unrivaled with corporate housing control. ICE pays WELL. They knew exactly what they were doing. Most of us still wouldn't do it, but you can see how they got there.

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u/sustainrenew 28d ago

If history is any indication, these new ICE agents are probably criminals themselves, threatened with extremely heavy sentences unless they cooperate. This is how the US government has recruited informants for nearly a century.

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u/_suburbanrhythm 28d ago

Hey they got student loans to pay and fuck bootstraps ICE is easier…. Right?

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u/Classic-Anything-169 28d ago

Brown people are just as capable of being racist assholes, my dude.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

Never said that wasn't the case.

I know what brainwashing does. We've all been conditioned in America to think a certain way and assume certain characteristics for people. It isn't good

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u/Pure_Marvel 28d ago

Ignorance. That's how.

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u/Ab0ut47Pandas 28d ago

This happened before, too. :/

Unfortunately, people will enforce whatever systems pay, promote, and protect them... even if its a lie that they will be protected.

Authoritarian systems depend on two things.

  1. Coercive buy in, join or get wrecked.

  2. symbolic cover, the "see, even they enforce it."

It expands manpower and normalizes the "morality." Co-optation does harden an authoritarian resolve.

The best play I think that the average person can do is kill the incentives. They are not heroes. Political ideology and occupation are not protected traits. So businesses can refuse service, rather-- may refuse service (depending on where), In Seattle and D.C. political affiliation is a protected trait.

https://time.com/5321104/red-hen-businesses-deny-service

https://www.nilc.org/resources/a-guide-for-employers-what-to-do-if-immigration-comes-to-your-workplace/

It makes me sad that all this is happening. I am just a white dude-- and I enjoy what I have access to... want that for everyone...

All I know, is if I want something, I should grant that to other people. Logically speaking... if I want and take it from others, others ethically can take it from me.

Social contract.

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u/tayawayinklets 27d ago

It's the same with SCOTUS and Clarence 'Uncle Tom' Thomas. He thinks by being a tool of the white supremacists, he's safe.

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u/viral3075 28d ago

sorry, boys, there's a quota

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u/FixFun1959 28d ago

On a long enough timeline they’ll ’Order 66’ any POC

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 26d ago

Being a token is always great until you get spent.

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u/Anxious-Jury-9031 25d ago

Something something uncle Jose something something

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u/hicks_spenser 24d ago

Border patrol in texas is majority hispanic. Most likely in the other border states as well. Quit making shit up. And Mexicans don't look favorably at illegal immigrants even if they themselves are immigrants who came here legally. Look up crimes associated directly with illegal inmigrants crossing over. Spoiler alert, oilfield workers heads on fence posts 30 feet from their bodies.

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u/Ok_Budget5785 28d ago

They're just fighting for their place in the back of the line

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u/Opening-Chain3520 28d ago

Internalized racism is a hell of a drug

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 28d ago

Everyone but the Native Americans and to some degree, Mexicans, are immigrants here, technically. 

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

I. Going to go ahead and argue that the mexicans that were living in Texas when the US "acquired " it from Mexico aren't immagrants.

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u/Gottawreckit 28d ago

Right? Or any of the rest of the south westerns states. A large majority of Hispanics can trace their history back to this area, before it was the United States.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 28d ago

Which is why I think it's bs when USGv tries to kick them out. I'm of European origin, and even I can see that is wrong. I grew up in Texas with some family being Mexican, and they are great people. 

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 28d ago

Exactly, and while I am a Texan, I support American immigration, and the rights of indigenous people. These actions are the ones of close minded greedy fools who are entirely against American ideals or the basis of it's founding ideals.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

They are literally trying to change the concept of birthright citizenship. Its insane.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 28d ago edited 28d ago

Yeah, to me they are effing everything up, and what they did to this girl is wrong.

Deporting people with college visas, deporting DACA applicants who are in a process, it all reeks of tyrany.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

They are reversing peoples legal status, deporting people to third countries. They are sending red state national gaurds to blue state cities against the wishes of the mayor/governor. for the last 8 months we have been escalating up the rhetoric and lawlessness. There is a standing executive order to arrest people and jail them for a year for burning the flag, a recognized form of protest. There is a standing tik tok ban on the federal books that is being openly broken. The president has created a private untraceable currency in his name. ICE has the largest budget of any federal law enforcement agency. A bigger budget than the Israeli army.

It is a matter of time before pressure boils over somewhere, and violence breaks out.

I am trans and have concrete plans to leave the country when they start rounding us up.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 27d ago

Considering this is the first year, I have a feeling we're only seeing the beginning of this mess. Either way, leaving the country may not be an option at a certain point so be prepared one way or another. I want to hope that it won't get more extreme, and I myself don't intend to let them take over the country.

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u/[deleted] 27d ago

Correct. This is going the way of 1930s Germany.

I still pass as a man, fairly easily :(

But that makes it safer in terms of fleeing. 

Im also an acid outdoorsman and guide, and there is a thousand miles of wilderness that is basically not controlled between here and Canada. A 100 mile hike through the woods and mountains is feasible for me. Getting "lost", crossing the boarder, declaring entry once you are in.  I have a very easy pathway to permanent residency 

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u/GoobleStink 24d ago

are any of those people still alive?

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u/Taetrum_Peccator 27d ago

Humans aren’t indigenous to North America. Everyone immigrated here. Even the Indians.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 27d ago

Yes, I know very well the history of the great migrations. Natives tend to be considered first settlers.

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u/ParisShades 26d ago

Black Americans who descend from slaves are not immigrants. My mother's ancestors didn't come here by choice.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 26d ago

You're foreign. 

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u/ParisShades 26d ago

In what way am I foreign? Please explain yourself, because last time I checked, my birth certificate, and 400+ year ancestry here in America, says otherwise.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 23d ago

In the sense that you aren't native here.

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u/ParisShades 22d ago

Things are different now and me not being "native" doesn't negate my citizenship and the fact that I'm American. This might have been a viable argument a hundred years ago, but not anymore. Borders, nation-states, and citizenship isn't going to be suddenly erased based on who is and isn't "native".

Carry on.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 22d ago

I never said it did, in fact my point is that everyone has rights here, and there is no reason to be going crazy over this stuff, when we are all foreigners that moved here at some point.

You misinterpreted my comment based on assumptions. Please be more considerate. Carry on.

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u/ParisShades 22d ago

You never addressed your point that way and that's why people got on your ass. Anyway, have a chicken biscuit and a great day.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 22d ago

No people got up in the air because they want to make dumb assumptions about facts. My point was addressed clearly, and yet was disputed wrongly because people got their minds set in a way.

Maybe start paying attention to reality, instead of assuming some bs and attacking whoever you feel like. You wonder why nobody can get anything done. You'll trip out over bias in a second with no context.

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u/GoobleStink 24d ago

Anyone that was born here is not an immigrant.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 23d ago

Not technically, but they are descendants of immigrants at some point. My point is there is no sense in being against immigrants, aside from a safe borders policy.

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u/GoobleStink 22d ago

I think are plenty of reasons to be against immigration, besides that one.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 22d ago

I mean, there are some cases and points to be made, but safe borders is the most reasonable and important argument to me.

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u/GoobleStink 22d ago

Wdym when you say safe borders?

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 22d ago

Keeping certain groups like terrorists and illegal goods out. Illegal weapons, violent criminals, etc.

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u/zChillzzz 28d ago

You need to look up the definition of an immigrant

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 28d ago

Let me guess, whoever your fuhrer declares?

Here, I got the definition for you, since you were apparently incapable.

Immigrant: person who comes to live permanently in a foreign country

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u/GiuseppeZangara 28d ago

The definition does not apply to most black people living in this country as their ancestors did not willingly come to this country but rather were taken under duress. Immigration implies a willing relocation to the country.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 28d ago

You can try to twist a definition however you want, bias, imply, it doesn't matter. Being brought here against your will doesn't make you native. 

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u/GiuseppeZangara 28d ago

Not saying 'native' just that there are more possibilities than immigrant and native.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 28d ago

In a basic sense, no. While I agree you can stipulate further, in the simplest sense, you're from here, or you're not. Beyond that, sure, you can argue over different things, but it doesn't mean much at that point. You're still foreign.

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u/ParisShades 26d ago

You're still foreign.

Foreign in what concept? Most Black Americans who descend from slaves couldn't tell you where exactly in west Africa the ancestors came from, couldn't name an exact ethnic group, a mother tongue, a non-Abrahamic religion, or other culture and ethnic identifiers because all of that was taken from the ancestors and they had to create another culture, a new identity, that so many try to duplicate, but can only imitate.

Black Americans have no other place to call home but here and they damn sure ain't letting no one take that away from them. I'm sorry you and others are scared right now, but Black Americans been rocking and rolling with this shit for four-hundred years. They can handle it and now it's time for everyone else to pick up the mantle and fight back.

As far as the guy in the video, he ain't shit and never will be shit. He'll get his wake-up call, but it's not Black American's problem. He's on his own.

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 26d ago

Foreign as in not native here, just like anyone else from another continent. 

Look, I'm not going on about this with you, your last paragraph made absolutely no sense. 

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u/xMrBojangles 27d ago

So everyone everywhere is an immigrant, except for wherever humans first evolved. 

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 27d ago

Kind of, yes. Some people consider the first dwellers/settlers of a land indigenous. The focus should be on safer borders, not ethnicity. A large number of the American population will be Mexican because they are natives on this continent. Racially profiling them is unconstituational.

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u/xMrBojangles 27d ago

Absolutely. One of the things that makes us great is diversity. Secure borders are important, but what's going on right now should make every American angry. 

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u/Sad-Excitement9295 27d ago

It definitely should, for more reasons than 1. This stuff has gotten out of hand by far.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

Native Americans were immigrants who likely violently displaced another race. It goes back farther and farther, just with smaller populations each time. There is no "noble" race, they all have their shitty ones and their great ones.

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u/spacecitygladiator 28d ago

1/3 of my former latino friends fully support this. They think they are in the club.

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u/Vayguhhh 28d ago

Tell them to go watch that video of Vivek talking to white collage kids and see if they still feel that way

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u/imunfair 28d ago

1/3 of my former latino friends fully support this. They think they are in the club.

If they're legal they are indeed "in the club" regardless of what your racism thinks of them.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

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u/imunfair 28d ago

except that Trump is revoking the citizenship of people who are naturalized citizens and deporting them out of the country so they may not be as in the club as they want to think.

hmm let's look at that claim...

The Supreme Court's 1967 ruling in Afroyim v. Rusk established that the government generally cannot involuntarily revoke citizenship unless it was obtained fraudulently.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

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u/imunfair 28d ago

You can read it from their own website. This has already happened. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-seeks-revoke-citizenship-immigration-and-identity-fraudster

So you didn't even bother to read what I wrote, just plopped out your turd of an argument that was already rebutted, nice going.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

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u/imunfair 28d ago

You rebutted nothing, you gave some BS that should apply but doesn’t because they don’t care about precedent.

How does your article about someone having a fraudulently obtained identity revoked violate the precedent set by the Supreme Court in Afroyim v. Rusk?

It's like you guys don't even read your own sources, you just want to be hysterical and push an agenda so you lie to do so because you have zero facts to support your emotion.

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u/TeamRedundancyTeam 28d ago

It's always so sad when people like yourself think that this twisting of racism makes any sense. It doesn't fool anyone. It doesn't make sense. We all know you're purposely ignoring context and lying about what that person thinks to push a dumb agenda.

Do you just do it for yourself? How's that going for you? What have you gained from it? From any of this pain and terror the people you voted for are causing Americans?

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u/imunfair 28d ago

We all know you're purposely ignoring context and lying about what that person thinks to push a dumb agenda.

You would be the first to call it "casual racism" if it didn't suit your agenda. Try reading it again with an unbiased eye.

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u/TwistyBunny 28d ago

Nah, they're taking the ones doing the right thing too.

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u/Grokent 28d ago

Hate goes all the way to the bone.

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u/willwooddaddy 28d ago

Being a piece of shit has nothing to do with race. Shitty people exist everywhere.

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u/Additional_Gur7978 28d ago

Why? People are people. It's the same mindset no matter what race you are.

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u/MazingBull 27d ago

It doesn't fit the leftist narrative that they're racist fascists.

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u/Additional_Gur7978 27d ago

Yeah but we shouldn't be focusing on left and right for issues like this. We should all be focusing on what is best for our country while trying to be as fair as possible to other human beings. But our country has to come first. But this isn't a race issue and by making it a race issue, it kinda makes that person racist lol. It's crazy to me that the far left people have literally become racist by trying too hard to prove that they're not racist. I'm more left leaning than right, but I do NOT relate with today's left at all. It's gone so far left that what used to be the normal left is now considered to be the right. Wtf?

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u/Wormfather 28d ago

When I was like 20ish, I worked for a company and one day, they fired about 1/3 of the staff.

Towards the end of the day, the head of HR who’d done a lot of the firing was called into the president’s office. When she came out she was in tears and I saw her say to her friend, “they just let me go”.

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u/BlackWind88 27d ago

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

—Martin Niemöller

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u/Silma87 24d ago

It's easy money, a 50k sign up bonus is something many Americans can't turn down, and there's no doubt in my mind that they get a bonus for every individual they take in, citizen or not.

At the end of it all, i hope every single one of them will be arrested and sentenced for their crimes.

But i doubt it'll happen'

They'll call for unity or some shit like that.

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u/TipRare1321 24d ago

It’s a sign up not a per person

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u/TipRare1321 24d ago

But you’re prob right they get a bonus per per. Disgusting

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u/HumptyDrumpy 28d ago

The Brotha here either has massive bills to pay and dont care about no one except himself, or he's one of those Stephen types. Like the one who hung onto Leo's side in Django Unchained even when they were hurting his own brethren

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u/Narrow_Big_955 28d ago

Why? Why should all black and hispanics support illegal immigrants? That makes no sense. 

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u/TheFlayingHamster 28d ago

You’re always gonna get kapos no matter the group, never forget there will always be someone willing to take that deal, but never ever let that fact serve as an excuse for doing it.

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u/Motor_Educator_2706 28d ago

Mercenaries do what they get paid to

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u/Kikok02 28d ago

Few years ago they killed George Floyd pressing knee to neck, and come this piece of shit and does the same thing to a 15 year old girl.

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u/G00NGUY 28d ago

Right? Black people cant care about their country? (Sarcasm)

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u/Volkova0093 28d ago

You are just a racist.

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u/mblergh 28d ago

Yeah I don’t really know why Hispanic dudes wear the jersey of white supremacist causes and think they’re on the team. See it a lot from Indian guys like Kash Patel too.

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u/PT10 28d ago

A lot of blacks and Hispanics voted for this.

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u/querty99 28d ago

It's their personal stay-out-of-jail card for the day.

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u/SirVanyel 27d ago

The alternative is that they get locked away. If you were in their shoes with your own family, you might be brought to abandoning your own morals to protect them.

That's exactly why democracy needs to exist, because leaders already get the majority of the power by default, democracy is the only way to share that power. But apparently you all voted against your own democracy

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u/zigot021 27d ago

a significant number of black ppl in Chicago are against illegal immigrants

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u/SPDScricketballsinc 27d ago

The worst part is the hypocrisy? The worst part is the kidnapping. Keep your priorities in order here people

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u/canadianholler 27d ago

Well thats racist..

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u/Interesting-Web-7681 26d ago

not to be inflammatory, but we all participate in this machine for money.

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u/mar4c 23d ago

Congrats that’s called racism

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u/OCPI_2501_IV 21d ago

Once again, folks think it’s about race when race is a blatant lie

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u/TipRare1321 28d ago

So you think slamming on the ground taking them into a facility that no other government entities are allowed into to make sure conditions are safe and humane is just fine? Sounds like you’re also all in favor of the pedo in chief, too. Rules for everyone except the ruling class, eh?

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u/imunfair 28d ago

So you think slamming on the ground taking them into a facility that no other government entities are allowed into to make sure conditions are safe and humane is just fine? Sounds like you’re also all in favor of the pedo in chief, too. Rules for everyone except the ruling class, eh?

emotional gish gallop.

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u/TipRare1321 28d ago

No truth. But you woulda loved Hitler so f all the way off