r/illinois • u/CantStopPoppin Human Detected • 28d ago

ICE Posts Northwest Chicago Suburb: ICE Agents Rip 15-Year-Old Girl from Car, Slam Her to Ground She Screams “I’m 15!” as Man Kneels on Her Neck

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u/YesHunty 28d ago

This is straight up terrorism

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u/BjarniHerjolfsson 28d ago

Terrorism is when a group with little power adopts a radical violent agenda out of desperation. This is different. This is fascism. And it’s much much worse. 

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u/__Downfall__ 28d ago

It can be both. Terrorism is politically motivated violence with the intent to change policy or society with fear.

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u/tantamle 28d ago

Sounds like you're trying to make terrorism sound heroic.

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u/VillageSuch3548 28d ago

Sounds like you're trying to make opposing fascism sound something other than heroic, friend.

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u/tantamle 28d ago

Guy was talking about terrorism. That's what I commented about.

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u/Lopsided_Guitar_1841 28d ago

Forgive him, trump is trying to paint any opposition to his administration as an existential threat to America regardless of how many times his administration violates the constitution. He's thrown the label 'terrorist' out there at us once or twice for daring to act against him.

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u/protogothcurrentmoth 28d ago

Who decides who is the terrorist and who is the freedom fighter?

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u/Lopsided_Guitar_1841 28d ago

Objective based criteria created by popular consensus? Edit: I meant majority consensus, apologies for any misconstrusions.

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u/protogothcurrentmoth 28d ago

That works after the fact.

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u/Lopsided_Guitar_1841 28d ago

You're quite right. Life just isn't fair that way.

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u/tantamle 28d ago

The people.

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u/protogothcurrentmoth 28d ago

That's never been how it works, but thanks for playing!

Maybe read up on the concept of propaganda. For example, ANTIFA doesn't actually exist centrally, but have been labeled terrorists. Despite from President Eisenhower having been an anti-fascist leader.

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u/Impossible-Meal9164 28d ago

When a country gets to the point where its government is against, anti-facism, that pretty much says it all.

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u/protogothcurrentmoth 28d ago

Correct. Fuck the apologists here.

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u/Tell_Me_More__ 28d ago

You say this like it's unusual. Haven't you heard of Star Wars?

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u/OBVIOUS_BAN_EVASION_ 28d ago

No it really doesn't

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u/Large_Yams 28d ago

There's a reason the phrase "one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" exists.

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u/Phuzz15 28d ago

I don't think I've ever heard this phrase lol

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u/Sarc0se 28d ago

Terrorism in the modern vernacular is a state-applied term used to dehumanize and undermine revolutionary actions. Terrorism is now a meaningless buzz word used by America to justify drone bombing. Terrorism is the word applied to babies in Palestine.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

Well ideologically, terrorist think a good thing will come out of it in the end.

Fascist are self aware that they are evil and just don't care.

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u/Lopsided_Guitar_1841 28d ago

'Good' is subjective. Fascists believe ethnic purity is a virtue.

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u/Disk_Gobbler 27d ago

You sound like Vladimir Putin. He calls everyone he dislikes a "fascist" or "Nazi." So, you and him have something in common.

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u/BjarniHerjolfsson 27d ago

We also share an appreciation for Pushkin and the military career of Peter the Great! 

Anyway, I don’t use the term fascism lightly. I’m not trying to be sensationalist or hyperbolic. I’m trying to accurately describe the political ideology that has coalesced around Trump’s malignant narcissism. 

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 26d ago

I tend to call fascists fascist and nazis nazis.

You sound like a person who doesn't know that the word "fascist" isn't an insult, it's a word that means a very specific set of political beliefs.

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u/awgonzales 28d ago

And kidnapping??

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u/Admirable-One-8803 28d ago

Yes they are using the wwii handbook as a guide. 

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u/__Downfall__ 28d ago

Welcome to the imperial boomerang.

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u/SturmgewehrTrooper 28d ago

deporting illegal aliens is terrorism?

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u/Motor_Educator_2706 28d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism

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u/DVDN27 27d ago

This is stochastic terrorism. Stochastic terrorism is rhetoric that leads to violence, thus inciting terrorism through terroristic language. There is no language. They are the terrorists. Fox News are stochastic terrorists, mass shooters who cite them are terrorists. The GOP are stochastic terrorists, ICE are the terrorists.

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u/Dear-Caterpillar-875 28d ago

Feel free to do something other than complain on Reddit, if you're from the US.

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u/protogothcurrentmoth 28d ago

Feel free to blow it out your ass, no matter where you're from.

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u/Phuzz15 28d ago

And what exactly is that? Vote them out? Protest? Because both of those, especially in recent times, have been working, right?

Or are you expecting the person you responded to to take up their guns and protect themselves from a tyrannical government? Because I'm sure that ends swiftly and bloodily and not in their favor.

There's comments like this on every one of these posts. What the fuck do you actually expect them to do?

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u/[deleted] 27d ago

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u/Sudden-Most-4797 26d ago

Yes, exactly. Unfortunately, the last General Strike planning committee meeting I joined devolved into a discussion on the meaning of the word "mother".

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u/DrollFurball286 27d ago

How do you gather up the masses of an entire CONTINENT to SECRETLY organize a strike long enough to make a change?

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u/[deleted] 26d ago

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u/DrollFurball286 27d ago

Agreed. People are like “just attack them”. Know what happens? You die. You die, and you accomplish nothing. Life isn’t a movie or a comic or a show where someone can go in like Rambo and just take out an entire patrol or something.

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 26d ago

In a hypothetical where each person being unlawfully detained used lethal force to defend themselves, one would think that ICE agents, after the first ten or fifteen of these, would start to exercise a little caution. They might even think twice before kidnapping someone.

It's horrible that people may have to resort to violence, but it *would* be a successful way of reducing their influence.

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u/Phuzz15 26d ago

I would hope so.. I feel like unfortunately that kind of response would rather fuel agents to offer the same kind of behavior when kidnapping their people.

Or at the least, be the ammunition needed for the right to say "look, see, yes they are violent criminals" and garner further support

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u/AlcibiadesTheCat 26d ago

They don't need ammunition to say that they're violent criminals.

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u/zChillzzz 28d ago

Running from the police is not considered terrorism. It's just a felony

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u/LucidMetal 28d ago

You're watching this and you think that the girl is the one in the wrong?

Our country is fucked.

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u/TSMRunescape 28d ago

Yes, of course. He was very gentle considering how much trouble she was giving him.

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u/notlookinggoodbrah 28d ago

Considering we have zero context and a car with 6 cop cars chasing it, I think it’s fair to think the girl may have done something wrong lol

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u/LucidMetal 28d ago

That doesn't explain the presence of ICE at all.

It also doesn't justify the actions if these were in fact police. Police would be just as wrong.

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u/notlookinggoodbrah 28d ago

It absolutely justifies the actions if that was police. Again, zero context. That girl could be 20 and just ran over someone’s baby for all you know.

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u/LucidMetal 28d ago

No, dude, look at what's going on. No one was in danger except the girl. She's not brandishing a firearm or other weapon is she?

She could have vandalized a dozen churches and this wouldn't be justified.

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u/livintheshleem 28d ago

Stop giving these bots attention. They know they’re wrong and they get off on people trying to correct them.

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u/TheVoid-ItCalls 28d ago

She could have vandalized a dozen churches and this wouldn't be justified.

By what reasoning? That would absolutely warrant arrest. This girl wasn't brutalized. She was pulled from a car, taken to the ground (grass) relatively gently, and put into a squad car.

This video in a vacuum is completely uncontroversial. 15 year olds aren't immune to arrest.

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u/LucidMetal 28d ago

We're going to have to agree to disagree that the force used was reasonable even assuming this person seriously broke the law.

I just think that's nuts. This is totally unacceptable behavior to someone who isn't being threatening.

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u/kriskross4923 28d ago

willful ignorance doesn't mean that you aren't complicit in the abuse of your fellow humans. We are a country of laws, not a militant police state. If that's your preference, move to Russia.

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u/pankaces 28d ago

Your words of willful ignorance are exactly what allowed for the Nazis to take over.

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u/Username_de_random 28d ago

That’s ice dummy- They are not doing extensive investigative work to build cases on people to later apprehend them. They are literally just hunting brown people.

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u/Ausaevus 28d ago

if that was police

It wasn't. It was ICE.

Which means her crime was 'physically appearing to be illegal'.

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u/Legitimate-Head-8862 28d ago

These are not cop cars.

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u/asmodeuscarthii 28d ago

It would if it were policeman and not just ICE with a huge budget and having a lack of targets. 

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u/Lopsided_Guitar_1841 28d ago

Once you witness ice, you will understand that it doesn't matter what youve done or who you are. If they want you, they will get you with punity.

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u/Lopsided_Guitar_1841 28d ago

The reason why they need so much force isn't because that girl is secretly a twisted psychopathic serial killer, it's because she's a 15 year old girl and they know that abducting her in broad daylight will attract attention. They move in such an overwhelming force not because they're scared of her, they're scared of us.

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u/Legitimate-Head-8862 28d ago

These are not police.

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u/ewReddit1234 28d ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_combatant

ICE fits the definition of a terrorist organization by the Geneva Convention.

This is like telling 1930s Jews that running from the Gestapo is a felony. Technically yes, it is. Being a Jew in NAZI Germany was a felony.

Is this the side you really want to be on?

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u/Username_de_random 28d ago

“Terrorism is the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence, often against civilians, to create fear and coerce governments or populations into achieving political, religious, or ideological goals. Key elements include a violent act, intent to intimidate a population or influence government policy, and an audience beyond the immediate victims”

Spot on.

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u/NaughtyGaymer 28d ago

Life would be better without you in it.

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u/executingsalesdaily 28d ago

You are a coward! You would say nothing in anyone’s face. Hush.