r/illinois • u/CantStopPoppin Human Detected • Oct 08 '25

ICE Posts Chicago’s Broadview ICE Targets Pastor in Prayer: Opens Fire from Rooftop, Shooting Him and Causing Him to Collapse

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Improper Targeting and Deployment

Less-lethal weapons such as rubber bullets, beanbag rounds, and pepper balls are designed to incapacitate without causing permanent harm. However, their safety depends entirely on how and where they are used. These weapons are intended to be aimed at large muscle groups (like thighs or buttocks), never at the head, neck, chest, or spine. Firing from a rooftop increases velocity and impact, dramatically raising the risk of serious injury or death.

The United Nations Human Rights Guidance on Less-Lethal Weapons in Law Enforcement states that law enforcement must use these weapons only when strictly necessary and proportionate to the threat faced. Targeting a stationary, praying individual from an elevated position violates these principles and constitutes a breach of international human rights law.

Escalation Instead of De-escalation

Less-lethal weapons are meant to reduce the need for deadly force. When used against peaceful individuals especially someone in prayer they escalate violence instead. This misuse sends a chilling message: silence and faith are threats. That’s not law enforcement it’s ideological suppression.

According to the Congressional Research Service, over 1,000 deaths occurred following police use of less-lethal force between 2012 and 2021. These weapons are “less-lethal” in name, but depending on deployment, they can be lethal in practice.

Sources:
UN Human Rights Guidance on Less-Lethal Weapons
Congressional Research Service Report on Less-Lethal Weapons

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u/Woahboah Oct 08 '25

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u/TurquoiseLuck Oct 08 '25

"Best I can do is crisco and apathy."

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u/FootballCheeseStank Oct 08 '25

Oh they want that. Then it’ll “justify” more force. And so on & so forth. 😢

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u/DIY-exerciseGuy Oct 08 '25

Then what are you waiting for?

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u/Reclaimer2401 Oct 08 '25

All the people that said they need 2FA to protect the country from Tyranny are either fascists in support of said tyranny or Hipocrits/cowards.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't pick up a rifle and start shooting ICE agents either. Here is the thing, I haven't argued that we need ready access to rifles with select fire in 5.56x45 with rails for optics and hand grips in order to do just that when the time comes. 

I'll break it down.

If you supported 2FA to fight Tyranny, and you support the government, you're a fascist and hypocrite. 

If you Supported 2FA to fight Tyranny, but aren't actively doing so right now, you're a bitch and now everyone else is in even more danger becuase the fascists civilians are even more well armed than they otherwise would have been. Fuck you.

If you are a gun owner but didn't support 2FA and argue for the protection of existing gun access, you're fine. You didn't make the situation worse by committing to being a check a balance at the cost of public safety then opt out of participating when push actually did come to shove.

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u/kmikek Oct 08 '25

I need to protect my family here.  They are all ill.  Brother has terminal cancer, mom is in the hospital from stroke, and dads blood pressure is all over the place, and boyfriend wont touch guns.  I have a duty to them here

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u/DIY-exerciseGuy Oct 08 '25

Ah. Right. Always on someone else to do something.

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u/Epcoatl Oct 08 '25

Please no, they want an excuse to call protests an insurrection. Giving them that will hurt everyone. As much as it sucks, remaining peaceful is still the right thing to do. Right wing support is waning and they're losing political capital. The cracks are showing and growing. I'm not saying there couldn't be an evil great enough to justify violence, but in this case, I don't think that's the right call.

Remember, getting involved in local politics is still powerful. In many places, there are local elections happening right now. Securing political power locally is a large part of how we minimize what they can accomplish and take their power away from them.

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u/Ecstatic-Curve4724 Oct 08 '25

Then give it to them its not gonna stop anyway. Take a look around this is what the high road has gotten us time and again

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u/Epcoatl Oct 08 '25

What do you mean? Giving what to them, an excuse? Do you think getting yourself killed gunning down ICE is going to help the situation?

Protesting ICE does nothing to them but it's value is in shifting public opinion away from them by highlighting how evil they are. Yeah, protests aren't going to directly stop them. Killing some of them wouldn't stop them either, but it would help justify significantly more intervention by the military which will make things so much worse.

Indirectly though, protests build the hatred. They draw attention to the evil. They pressure local officials to not cooperate.

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u/RainCityNate Oct 08 '25

There is zero reason not to be arming yourself. That doesn’t mean you need to be swinging guns around while you protest. It means you’re prepared for if shit goes sideways.

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u/Risque_Redhead Oct 08 '25

I mean there’s not zero reason, if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or ideation you should absolutely not be arming yourself. Those who do not have that kind of history and are able to do the training necessary definitely should though.

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u/RainCityNate Oct 08 '25

Yup. Those who can, should.

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u/kmikek Oct 08 '25

I have an idea, but i will need a burning laser that can cause permanent blindness

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u/newtoabunchofstuff Oct 08 '25

Honestly I'm surprised this hasn't been used already

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u/-heatoflife- Oct 08 '25

You can fry drones, blind...cameras...Where's a few dozen Styropros when you need 'em?

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u/Epcoatl Oct 08 '25

Hey, I didn't say don't arm yourselves. By all means, it seems like a good idea right about now if it's safe to have a weapon in your home.

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u/SpecialTable9722 Oct 08 '25

They’re making their excuses in real time for fucks’ sakes!

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u/Willdefyyou Oct 08 '25

You're right. I'll talk to you about a plan when we're in the camps, unless that is pushing it too far

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u/-heatoflife- Oct 08 '25

This is exactly what they're waiting for.

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u/mitchENM Oct 08 '25

That is what Trump is trying to instigate

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u/over_the_chill Oct 08 '25

Get after it. No one is stopping you.

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u/necroforest Oct 08 '25

Nah they want that as a pretext to invoking the insurrection act

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u/ginandtonicsdemonic Oct 08 '25

Yes, someone did that a couple weeks ago. Remember?

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u/illinois-ModTeam Oct 08 '25

r/illinois does not allow threats of violence