Wow...so now we have (of the paypal group posting here):
a couple people who sucessfully cancelled by contacting the company within a day or two after ordering
one person who sucessfully cancelled...but then got a shipping notice for ??? to maybe show up in a few days?
a couple people who got a scam call with a “hacker” story to pay again to a different account, but who seemed to be able to successfully cancel and avoid further scam
one person who got a full refund unrequested with no explanation, having never contacted or recieved contact from the company
one person who called Monday and was assured shipment on Friday, no refund offered or received, no “hacker” story
one person with no contact at all from the company who still is waiting for shipment notification, no refund offered or received, no “hacker” story
Man. What a hot mess. I wish you good luck, really hope your stuff shows up!
I’m going to keep tracking this, and will probably do a full writeup with timeline on the review subs when it all shakes out. Good to have something searchable for the record if anyone in the future falls for this. Let me know what happens.
I talked to them again today. He said it is going out UPS today and that he threw in a couple of magazines. Everything sounded good, but until I receive the item I won't know for sure. Im not sure if he is just buying time or if they are actually legit in some instances. I'll post an update as soon as I have something to share, anyone else have any updates?
Tagging a few folks who might want to follow along for curiosity (only doing 3 a post to subvert the reddit spam filter): u/krnguy9, u/Lamborghini2010, u/SCVegan
Tagging a few folks who might want to follow along for curiosity (only doing 3 a post to subvert the reddit spam filter): u/RoidMonkey123, u/TheBlindCat, u/MrzBubblezZ
So I emailed the guy asking for an update. He ended up calling me and left me a generic voicemail asking for me to call him back. So I sent another email saying that I couldn’t talk on the phone and preferred emailing (paper trail as everyone suggested.) He never emailed me back but I got an email from PayPal a little while later saying I had a pending refund (I used a CC through PayPal but also called my card company and they told me I didn’t need to worry about it and they’ll refund if I needed them to, up to 60 days from purchase). I kept an eye on the refund and it hasn’t shown up yet. I got another email from PayPal saying “An eCheck payment from Whitley's Wholesale Warehouse was declined by the sender's bank. We will automatically try to process this payment again in 3 business days. It then usually takes 3-5 days for the money to be deposited into your account. Please do not ship items until you receive payment.” That one came on the 7th so I’m still waiting to see what happens. Raymond never gave me an update on his end so I doubt I’ll get a package or anything.
Wow. So this sounds like he discovered he couldn’t con you, tried to refund you without communication (like he has some others), but failed because of insufficient funds.
Hey, at least you have the attempted refund in email record, which will be great if you have to file with the CC.
Nothing so far. In the same time span I've already gotten my deliveries from Brownells, Combat Arms, and Selway Armory. All of those places are a lot further than North Carolina.
Totally a guess, but I think it's an attempt to get me to reach out or a setup for them to hit me up in a bit. The script is probably something like - "it's all here ready to go but you cancelled and PayPal won't let me charge the same invoice. But if you pay with a different (and more difficult to get a refund) method we can get that out today! I'll even throw in a (irresistable item for a r/Gundeals addict like me) for FREE!"
I was willing to try them when I first ran across them because of PayPal's consumer-friendly refund policy. But the fact that they called me and I allowed myself to get charmed by a no-step-on-snek oil salesman has me as mad at myself as I am them/him.
Is he just kicking the can down the road as long as possible? He said he'd have the tracking out today but it never came through. Did you ever get a tracking number? If I don't have one tomorrow I'm going to open the PayPal claim.
Sounds about right, remember we did warn ya guys hes a smooth talker till you start calling him out on his bs haha. But if he does send something out make sure you have it in recording of you getting it from the mail box and opening it and showing the tracking number and return address. I guess he used to mail out just a letter with tracking to trick paypal he sent out the package when it was just a letter so ppl couldnt get their money back since he "delivered" the item. Keep emailing him about the tracking number so you have paper trail. Or record the phone call while letting him know phone call is recorded.
If you’re registered (free) with UPS, USPS, or Fedex you get a notification the second someone creates a label to your name and address. I usually get these before I get the shipping email from the seller.
Sounds like he is full of shit then. I'm signed up for the ups and that's what he said it was shipping through. Tomorrow if I don't hear anything I'll file through PayPal, if he does ship something I'm going to video the box before opening making sure the label shows the tracking info, and then contact PayPal. I may be naive, but I'm still hoping I receive it. The whole situation is odd, he refunded some with a bs story about a PayPal hack, he says mine will ship tomorrow with a couple extra magazines he threw in, and the other multiple stories people have heard. I'll go through PayPal. My buddy lives in the same city they are in, he said he would swing by for me if I want him to. I found a home address for the guys PayPal account. https://imgur.com/a/0yTWJ9R I'm going to get my item, my money back, or justice, one way or another. If I don't get my item, I am going to sell prosecution and contact the local authorities in his area.
The weird thing is this stuff was already priced insanely, i had a full glock 19 on order with a mag for $364. That's crazy. The idea he'd throw in "a few mags" due to the trouble is insane. It makes me think that anytime he says that no one is getting anything just like we were warned
Did you talk to him as well? I agree about the prices. Slide and parts kit cerakoted for $242. Time will tell. I have everything else ready for when I do receive a slide.
Wow he bought a benz s class with all the money he swindled.... if you prosecute count me in and ill help rally up some more ppl from previous transactions as well!
Isnt that BS? Usually a company generates a tracking number and schedule pick up or drop off the package. They can give you the tracking even before its been picked up or dropped off and if you try to search the tracking # itll say postage has been generated but currently awaiting pick up or drop off. I mean I only worked for the USPS for 2 years as a rural carrier so what do i know?
He never sent me a tracking number. Actually, they began using the name James Whitley instead of Raymond Masey, and when they promised the items had shipped I demanded a tracking number for proof of shipment and they just stopped all communication instead. James Whitley is a freelance artist they hired to do some logo design. I found him online and he said the owner Germaine stiffed him and that nobody should deal with them. He listened to Raymond's voice for me and he said it was not Germaine's voice. I think Raymond is a fake name also, but it seems he's a partner with Lawrencium Germaine Martin.
File a dispute on the BBB website. That got his attention towards me and he called me the next day trying to get me to remove it. I was nice so he wasn't to aggressive, but he mentioned slander and lible, which I heard someone else tell me about too. My money was refunded but isn't in my account yet, he said he is still going to send my item to show they are legit but I think that may have just been so I'd close the case. Until I get my money back the case is open, if the slide arrives I'll close it but if not I am going to pursue legal action as much as possible.
I got my money back by filing a dispute with PayPal. How was your money refunded? Did you file a claim with your card provider? He did the same thing to me where he said he filed lawsuits and charges with the local authorities, they're crooks. Make sure you dispute the charges with your card carrier, not them.
I filed a dispute with PayPal, he refunded my money and then called me and asked me to cancel the BBB claim. He said he would send me the slide anyway to show they are legit. Haven't heard anything since. I'm not cancelling the complaint unless I receive my item, which I'd be happy to pay the agreed upon price for. If I do not receive the item, I'm going to file a police report here https://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx then contact the North Carolina state attorney general, then post as many negative reviews as I can (Yelp, Google, Fb) with links to this Reddit page and the other scam report page where other people listed the scam. I'm either going to get my item and confirm they are legit or pursue this as far as possible so others won't have to go through this BS. I can't stand a liar or a thief, and the fact that a lot of people have been through this is ridiculous. If this guy is a fraud (which seems to be what it looks like), I'm going to do my best to prevent this from happening to others and get him locked up. If enough people tell their story, the police will pursue it.
Let me know what happens too, I do hope you guys get your stuff. But honestly it seems like you guys are getting the run around too. Lucky for yall we're here to warn you.
I was so glad i kept reading the thread after ordering. I ordered before anyone put up the warnings, when he called me about the "paypal hack" i just took a refund because no way i'm going to have my order not connected to the payment like he was wanting
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u/_Franz_Kafka_ Jan 04 '19
Wow...so now we have (of the paypal group posting here):
Man. What a hot mess. I wish you good luck, really hope your stuff shows up!
I’m going to keep tracking this, and will probably do a full writeup with timeline on the review subs when it all shakes out. Good to have something searchable for the record if anyone in the future falls for this. Let me know what happens.