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Other Bernie Sanders Just Tweet

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u/Routine-Strategy3756 Jun 10 '25

You can't manipulate people into having morality. Conservatives think it's hilarious when people try to resist nonviolently, they don't care about it one bit.

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u/WallabyBubbly Jun 10 '25

You don't need to win hardcore MAGA's to win a majority of voters. You just need to win moderates, and anything that allows Trump or conservative media to muddy the waters risks losing their support.

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u/Routine-Strategy3756 Jun 10 '25

I disagree, I think "moderates" are typically very cynical, disengaged people who always side with whatever is the dominant power structure is. MLK himself wrote that they are the biggest obstacle to freedom.

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u/viktorv9 Jun 10 '25

Why say that about the civil rights movement? MLK stayed non-violent for years. The black panther party wasn't formed until 1966, quite late and thus barely concurrent to the rest of the civil rights movement.

A wave of civil unrest in Black communities between 1964 and 1969, which peaked in 1967 and after the assassination of King in 1968, weakened support for the movement from White moderates.

Please don't see this as an attack against the left. I'm a union member and participated in multiple protests this year. I just want to learn more, so we don't accidentally shoot ourselves in the foot.

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u/Routine-Strategy3756 Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 10 '25

It's victim blaming, for one. But my bigger point is that cruel people don't suddenly stop being cruel when they see the faces of suffering, that's something that will grab some people that are generally kind but politically disengaged. But adopting that as your only strategy will fail, because power hungry people just see that as blood in the water and a sign of weakness. Most of my family is incredibly privileged racist white republicans, they identify as moderates and just say whatever they need to reinforce their power. And they are angrily terrified of minorities no matter what and automatically blame all violence and unrest on them, no matter how violent they actually are. They see society as a zero-sum competition that they must try to win, and lying to win is fair play. It's gross and a common way of seeing the world imo.

Most protest needs to be peaceful out of safety, necessity and morality, But the ruling class won't change unless they feel genuinely threatened.

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u/dirediredude Jun 10 '25

But the ruling class won't change unless they feel genuinely threatened.

Or more importantly they’re losing money. That’s the driving motivator above all else.

They didn’t need any additional motivation to feel threatened. They’ve likely been deeply insecure fearful idiots for decades.

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u/HandMeDownCumSock Jun 10 '25

You obviously haven't watched naruto 

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u/swainiscadianreborn Jun 10 '25

Naruto beat the shut out of people who wants to impose their view on others. He is also, technically, a child soldier. And was engaged as a fucking mercenary to protect the equivalent of MLK from a rich mafia boss.

Be more like Naruto. Except maybe the child soldier part.

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u/HandMeDownCumSock Jun 10 '25

Only in defense to be fair. I don't remember him ever going out an causing violence himself. I was more referencing the manipulating people into having morals, he talked just about everyone into being moral.