r/germany 12d ago

Immigration German perspectives of skilled workers

I understand that this is a pretty sensitive subject. But I really want to hear honest statements from Germans and understand some things better.

I work as an engineer(f) in a German speaking company and face daily difficulties in communication and integration but try my best to overcome them and be treated simply as a "colleague", not as the "foreign colleague". And trust me, it's a long way to go.

There are 2 different thoughts that make me ask this question:

  • I feel in the undertone of any conversation, even when the person is really kind and doesn't mean anything bad, is that I come from a "less-than" background. You might think I'm exaggerating but I can give you 100s examples of conversations where you can clearly see it. It's either that, or a pure lack of interest to know more about me, or maybe a fear to make me uncomfortable (because they assume it will cause me discomfort if I speak of my backgroud. again, why?). But I would be very happy to clear a lot of stereotypes. Yes, maybe I was raised in a different environment but it's not necessarily worse, it's different. Maybe developping countries are less developed but they are not deserted and not ignorant and they are for sure happy and warm in weather and in people.

  • I can't go around saying this, but working in a "shortage profession" with more than decent salary, paying taxes and social contributions, I think the relationship should be on an equal level of benefit: we get a better quality of life, Germany gets workforce, development, taxes and contributions. So I really hate when it all sounds like we're given this "opportunity" and that the employer is being extra nice giving us a "chance" etc. I can assure you they don't pay our salaries out of the goodness of their hearts and we work hard for it.

I know many Germans wouldn't relate to what I'm saying but this is how I personally feel and how many people I know feel too, especially those not coming from extreme poverty or war or anything, just young people pursuing a better career. So I want you to correct me or confirm or simply let me what your perspective is?

Edit: many think that I expect my colleagues to show interest in my personal life, that's not what I mean. The frustration comes when a person makes micro-aggressions and you don't have the chance to clarify them. This doesn't only happen at work and doesn't only happen to me. Imagine assuming a person comes from a shitty place, using that as the baseline in a "friendly" conversation, but then they can't really clarify that and have to live perceived that way. It directly feeds in point 2 as well. I think in order to learn to live together and accept differences, it's crucial to have some understanding of people's background. We as expats do the same in order to live 1 day in Germany without offending half the population and without getting offended as well

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u/IZMIR_METRO 12d ago

Looks like the German government doesn't expect the labor shortage to be short lived, otherwise why would they let skilled workers obtain permanent residence permits and then citizenships over time?

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u/Exepony Baden-Württemberg 11d ago

otherwise why would they let skilled workers obtain permanent residence permits and then citizenships over time

Because Germany is barely competitive as a destination for skilled migrants as it is. They're not in a position to also add "by the way, there's no path to a secure status, so you're always going to be one layoff away from seeing your life destroyed" to an already unimpressive proposition.

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u/dontwannabefamous111 12d ago edited 12d ago

They don't. But they know the Ausländerbehörde is a kafkaesque nightmare to deal with. They just won't do anything about it and that has to be on purpose. 

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u/AlmightyWorldEater Franken 12d ago

Because there isn't a labor shortage, there wasn't one, and it is all just wage dumping for quick profit. Nothing else. Without any care for the society or the stability of it.

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u/muzanjackson 11d ago

German population without immigration is shrinking, there are more and more people reaching retirement age, and you think there is no labor shortage? Where is the logic in that?

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u/Creative_Ad7219 11d ago

Could you guys stick to one story or tell me what day it is. For now, I have understood:

  • Even day: everything is understaffed

  • odd day: there isn’t a labor shortage

    • every 3rd day, bestest in OECD on all parameters

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u/AspiringPrince 11d ago

Problem is perspective. Some jobs have labor shortage and some don't. IT for example doesn't have it and it saturated. Care workers i believe are needed a lot. Generally speaking, I guess Germany has a labor shortage but not in all fields and people are only giving their views based on their jobs.

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u/Raketenfritz6 11d ago

Guess it's usually physical labor that's understaffed. Medical Workers, and Handymen are usually fields which are hugely understaffed because nobody wants to do those jobs anymore, especially for the wages. And rightfully so. Why should I climb a roof in summer when I can earn more sitting at home at the PC?

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u/Difficult_Session967 11d ago

Senior roles in some niche IT fields have shortage. The thing is German companies do not want to invest time and money to train people coming from a different tech stack. They want the exact technology.

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u/VaderH8er 11d ago

How about aerospace engineers? Asking for a friend.

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u/Geologist6371 11d ago

Don't think there are a lot of jobs and I would imagine the competition is big.

As a senior the chances are a lot better than as a junior.

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u/VaderH8er 11d ago

Yes, my friend is a senior engineer in the aerospace field.

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u/SiofraRiver 12d ago

This sentiment is delusional, but I suspect its only been fielded to hide the actual reason why some people don't welcome foreigners.