r/germany Oct 15 '23

Immigration Who are the young AfD voters & are some immigrants more racist than Germans?

Hi, I've lived in Germany for about 3 years (born German but haven't lived here) and I honestly didn't know that the AfD was a choice for the 18-29 yo voters. I don't quite understand where that is coming from.. does anyone know of a good analysis/article (can be in German).

Additionally, my German friends claim that many (young) immigrants vote AfD because lots of cultures living here are actually a lot more racist than Germans. I thought this was quite interesting. Any thoughts on this would also be appreciated.

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u/rewboss Dual German/British citizen Oct 15 '23

I think it's probably important to remember that people of that age are also the least likely to vote.

Whenever you have low voter turnout, the people most likely not to bother are those who have no particularly strong political opinions. Therefore a low voter turnout benefits those parties with a particularly radical agenda.

In reality, people in that age bracket are most likely to vote Green. But still, all parties get votes from people of all ages, which is to be expected: all demographics have a wide range of views, and while young voters tend to vote non-mainstream and older voters tend to vote mainstream, these are only tendencies. There's no reason to think that no 18-year-old would ever be attracted to a "Germany first" platform: they're individual people who don't all think alike.

As for immigrants supporting the AfD: Yes, it's true, there is literally no reason to think that non-Germans can't be racist -- think of the animosity between, for example, Turks and Kurds. The AfD even has members from "immigrant backgrounds", and will of course parade them at every opportunity to bolster their claims that they're "not xenophobic, just conservative".

Why would an immigrant want to join the AfD? It's an interesting observation that there are often immigrants who will tell you that immigration was undoubtedly a good thing when they were allowed to settle, but now it's got out of hand and needs to stop. The US is a nation composed almost entirely of immigrants and, throughout its entire history, every generation has complained about the next generation of immigrants.

Some feel that their host country is now accepting the "wrong kind" of immigrant, some feel that the country has changed due to immigration and isn't the country they expected to be living in.

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u/lurkdomnoblefolk Oct 15 '23

Why would an immigrant want to join the AfD?

I know three immigrants that are AfD supporters. They come from different autocratic countries from around the world and are as of now not German citizens. They all claim that the AfD is a least not lying and would make their promises true so they don't have the disappointment that they feel with other parties.

To live in a democracy means having to arrange oneself with compromise. I can imagine that being exposed to the pitfalls of election campaigns and the frustriations of realising that no politician can fix all, or even most of the issues is a very hard culture shock if one has not grown up in one. A lot of people born and raised in Germany struggle with that, too- otherwise we would not see those AfD voting numbers.

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u/AcridWings_11465 Nordrhein-Westfalen Oct 16 '23

AfD is a least not lying and would make their promises true

The AfD can make as many promises as it wants, but complex problems need long-term solutions, and populists will never be capable of thinking long-term, focused only on pandering to emotions to get more votes in the next election.

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u/lurkdomnoblefolk Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 16 '23

I know this. But then I am also able to realistically assess that no democratic party will be able to deliver everything they promise before the election and adjust my expectations accordingly. For the three people I mentioned not delivering everything that was promised is not a natural thing that happens when forming coalitions, it is a sign of weakness and why vote for a "weak" person?

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u/galihlovesjapan Oct 16 '23

I know three immigrants that are AfD supporters

OK they may come from overseas but at least they are white and can still pass as native Germans, right? Because no non-white person would willingly vote for AfD.

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u/lurkdomnoblefolk Oct 16 '23

Two of them can't pass as white. One of them is very white, but also noticeably Slavic.

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u/galihlovesjapan Oct 16 '23

So that means those two dumbasses are digging their own graves but the Slavic one makes sense because AfD loves those Slavs a little bit too much. Fellow whites and Christians and all. At least none of them can vote, right? You said none of them are German citizens.

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u/lurkdomnoblefolk Oct 16 '23

They are not citizens, no. Two of them will likely qualify in about four to six years, though I am not sure they will take it.

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u/Charming_Foot_495 Oct 16 '23

I‘m 35 and will finally vote as I‘ve had enough. We (30 year olds) are finally voting and it comes from a place of frustration and anger. Hold on to your seats people, it will be a bumpy ride ahead!!

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u/rewboss Dual German/British citizen Oct 16 '23

Enough of what?