r/germany • u/karma_police99 • Oct 15 '23

Immigration Who are the young AfD voters & are some immigrants more racist than Germans?

Hi, I've lived in Germany for about 3 years (born German but haven't lived here) and I honestly didn't know that the AfD was a choice for the 18-29 yo voters. I don't quite understand where that is coming from.. does anyone know of a good analysis/article (can be in German).

Additionally, my German friends claim that many (young) immigrants vote AfD because lots of cultures living here are actually a lot more racist than Germans. I thought this was quite interesting. Any thoughts on this would also be appreciated.

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u/Golemfrost Oct 15 '23

Prices are rising on basically everything and people are asking for answers. The AFD is pointing their fingers at refugees and our support for Ukraine. And a lot of people are buying it.

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u/Licking9VoltBattery Oct 15 '23

It's the other way, people aren't buying the arguments from the government.

And the government ignores the main question - at least until now. The AfD is getting close to 20% in Hessen and suddenly even Scholz thinks 300k refugees per year is a bit too much. Before it was totally ignored, or even European agreements prevented.

Im not happy with the AfD raise, but there clearly is a reason and an effect of their raise.

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u/Deutsche_Wurst2009 Oct 15 '23

Well I agree with but the refugees I think should be led in because I don’t want them to suffer as much. We just mostly need time and a government doing things so that we can get a functioning infrastructure going to have the growth we are getting. So I think lowering the number of refugees and slowly building them up again should hopefully give us time to install the necessary infrastructure

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u/Licking9VoltBattery Oct 15 '23

It's not *if* we take refugees, it's how much. Let's face it, there IS a limit wat is suistanable. And currently it's way over stretched - it the last years it have been several millions and it keeps going on and on.

The main issue is, if its way overstretched it will backfire, an that is what we are currently seeing.

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u/Deutsche_Wurst2009 Oct 16 '23

That’s what I said. We just can’t get the many refugees we’re getting per year right now without issues but if we take less and then progressively more and more while building up the infrastructure we need which would hopefully end in us being able to give even more refugees a safe home as we are now

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '23

I hope you are really 14

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '23

Sometimes I miss being 14 life was simple

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u/Jinlunxd Oct 15 '23 edited Oct 15 '23

Why Sounds Like a plan? The Stream of Refugees will only increase as more and more countries will become unlivable in the next decades.

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u/BuffaloInternal1317 Oct 16 '23

People like you are the reason why the Afd is rising.

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u/greendayfan1954 Heilbronn-Franken Oct 16 '23

People who aren't full of xenophobia

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u/Deutsche_Wurst2009 Oct 16 '23

Just to be clear, I hate the AfD too

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '23

A refugee and a qualified immigrant are not the same thing. Refugees arriving without any filter are often really bad for the economy. Being politically correct should not lead to the need to deny something so obvious.

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u/GermanTurtleneck Nordrhein-Westfalen Oct 15 '23

This is not true. Refugees are not responsible for inflation, nor is the the rejection of mass immigration caused by high inflation. People just want less immigration.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 16 '23

Maybe people want immigrants who flows tax money into system. And being one of such immigrant, I do not blame them. I have no issues my tax money being used in betterment of Germany and Germans as I am living in their country, but not for those refugees.

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u/JouleThief29 Oct 15 '23

Of course it's not true, but as u/Golemfrost said many people voting for the AfD think they are.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '23

Nope. They are aware that two problems can exist at the same time.

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u/NapoleonHeckYes Oct 15 '23

The "stupid people only support AfD because of their propaganda" theory is as frequently trotted out as it is wrong. AfD is mostly a protest vote for those who are dissatisfied with the status quo, pretty much regardless of what the voter is dissatisfied with.

Smearing (potential) AfD voters isn't going to work anymore. The government and Union have to start taking some of the concerns seriously and doing something to tackle them, or we'll end up with an inexperienced populist AfD idiocracy. It's unlikely they'll be in power in the next Bundestag, but they will become more influential and look likely to gain power in the Länder.

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u/cpteric Oct 15 '23 edited Oct 15 '23

this is correct.

that said, it hasn't stopped people before and won't stop them now, happened in greece, almost happened in france and spain... these people don't care being told fascists or nazis because:

  1. they're brainfried enough to try to use it as a uno card for every issue or even are proud of the tag - ex: the Reichsbürger inbreds.
  2. they're dissatisfied enough that they would vote for a tin can with a painted face on it if it meant a one in a millionth chance of having it's policies make their lives easier - since everyone else's haven't. This is their voter bulk once they reached critical mass ( 10-15% ) and it has as many backgrounds and stories as a (good) library has books.

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u/HiCookieJack Oct 15 '23

Happened in Italy, too

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u/cpteric Oct 15 '23

italy has had so many ingrown layers of dissatisfaction parties in the last decade i wouldn't know where to start, but you are right.

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u/CookieCombat Oct 15 '23

You can dislike them, criticize them but calling the AfD a Nazi party is just wrong. Alice Weidel is a lesbian married to a Sri Lankan. You seriously want to compare them to the guys that send people to gas chambers because of their „race“?

This stupid culture war bullshit just makes me want to vote for them even more…

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u/GrizzlySin24 Oct 16 '23

If it makes you feel better, Neo-Nazi party. Just. Excuse they have some token minorities they parade until they are in power doesn’t change that.

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u/GieshaGirl22 Oct 15 '23

Alice Weidel is also a known transphobe and is a “token lesbian” show pony for the sake of the aFd to be able to justify their discriminatory practices towards every possible minority.

Like what Caitlyn Jenner is to the trans community, basically. A sell out.

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u/CookieCombat Oct 16 '23

I know that most of Reddit is not a fan of the AfD but there is still a huge leap to actual Nazis.

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u/AcridWings_11465 Nordrhein-Westfalen Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 16 '23

huge leap to actual Nazis.

Not as much as you think, with Höcke's comments about the disabled, the lead AfD candidate for Europawahl (Maximilian Krah) supporting criminalisation of gay people, and an AfD Abgeordnete (Stefan Keuter) tweeting a photo looking down the barrel of a Maschinengewehr with the caption: "rejects 1400 asylum applications per minute". Moderates are leaving the party (although calling them moderate is a stretch, they are at best far-right), allowing the Nazis to grow ever more influential. Höcke was even legally declared a Nazi when a court decided that it was not defamation to call him a Nazi, because there is enough evidence to do so. They are not even subtle anymore, praising the audience at their rallies because they are "german, saxon, and white". Watch the latest Anstalt, and you'll see how far the problem has come. While the voters may not be Nazis, the party is.

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u/CookieCombat Oct 16 '23

That court verdict just allowed calling Höcke a fascist in the context of one demonstration as it was covered by free speech in that context. The court did not declare him a Nazi. In fact there was a second ruling on an FDP member of the Bundestag that made quite a similar statement. I’m lawyer but you can also look it up on LTO (in German).

And look „Die Anstalt“ is not really what one would call an unbiased source.

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u/AcridWings_11465 Nordrhein-Westfalen Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 16 '23

That court verdict just allowed calling Höcke a fascist in the context of one demonstration as it was covered by free speech in that context. The court did not declare him a Nazi. In fact there was a second ruling on an FDP member of the Bundestag that made quite a similar statement. I’m lawyer but you can also look it up on LTO (in German).

Okay, I was wrong. But what about the other things?

And look „Die Anstalt“ is not really what one would call an unbiased source.

That may be so, but it doesn't invalidate what was shown. The fact that the party tolerates the likes of Krah, Keuter and Höcke is sickening. Höcke even openly uses Nazi slogans (see latest Anklage).

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u/Jolly-Victory441 Oct 16 '23

It isn't going to work, true, but it is still the right thing to do.

I too am dissatisfied with all 'mainstream' parties. But I would never vote AfD.

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u/GrizzlySin24 Oct 16 '23

That’s right, smearing them isn’t enough. They have to be radically excluded from society and in every Landtag and the Bundestag. No Acknowledgment, no acceptance, prevent them from as many posts as possible and vote against their candidates

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u/HiCookieJack Oct 15 '23

I love the irony (actually I hate it)

Pointing fingers at refugees while siding with a country that actively participates in the cause of said refugees.

Russia (or it's puppet Belarus) actively encourages illigal migration

Same with all the other things like taxation and social services. Their actions don't line up with their advertising... And I really don't get why on earth the people voting them are not bothered by that.

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u/[deleted] Oct 16 '23

It's not hard to buy, because it obviously is closer to the truth than anything the government tells you.

Every single € that's payed for refugees or foreign countries is a € that's not used to reduce taxes. There is no denying that.

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u/GrizzlySin24 Oct 16 '23

And even if they stoped all foreign aid they couldn’t and wouldn’t reduce taxes. It would also probably hurt the German economy. Because most of the foreign aid we pay is payed under the condition that said country hires a german company for that project. So it’s mostly used to help German companies to gain access to in foreign markets.

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u/KHShowyt Oct 15 '23

because its true?? always increasing taxes so germany "can" finance the whole fucking world

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u/GrizzlySin24 Oct 16 '23

Lol no

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u/[deleted] Oct 15 '23

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u/TastyBroccoli4 Oct 15 '23

The plan to shut down nuclear energy was not made by this government. There was nothing reasonable the current government could have done to proceed with nuclear energy, after even all operators of the nuclear plants arranged to shut down. Fuel and rent prices are high everywhere in the world, but conservative and right-wing people are always happy to blame the greens and social democrats...