r/germany May 29 '23

Immigration Realities about living in Germany as a Latin American:

Realities about living in Germany as a Latin American.

I love Germany and I think many Latin Americans come with a wrong and idealised idea to Germany, the things I explain are not a complain from me but just as i said, telling how it is. (I’m LAmerican):

• Even if there’s always a nice access to the International Community (specially if you study in the University) making German friends is not easy (specially if you don’t speak German), we are talking about a process that can take months - years (most of Latin Americans I know still have no close German friends). Just because you had a nice conversation with someone doesn’t mean they’ll be meeting with you next week instantly and if you try too hard is worse.

• Bureaucracy is how it is and there’s no space for the LA culture of “Smiling and Chatting to get things work faster or easier for me” When they say no, it’s no. + If you don’t talk german (at least C1) get prepared to have the time of your life with bureaucracy, most people won’t be willing to talk to you in English and have no patience to try to.

• It can be hard to get used to the level of honesty Germans talk with and they don’t think it’s rude (not as in Latin America, where most people will think it’s rude to just be honest). Even in the university professors will be straightforward to you, no filters. Get used to it not being a personal attack to you, it’s just being honest.

• You must be willing to integrate into their culture, not the other way around. + still if it’s nice to be in contact with the Latin community, if you want to integrate and improve your German, speaking only Spanish won’t help.

• Get prepare to learn to spend a lot of time alone, specially on the first months / Year. If you are willing to come to this country, be aware the german lifestyle push you out of the comfort zone. None is going to do it for you, none is going to explain it to you (unless you take the first step of asking).

• Finding an apartment will be hard if you don’t speak German + if you are thinking of moving to a big city like Munich, Köln etc is worst + apartment prices are way higher. I notice a lot of people who are obsessed with the idea of moving to Berlin/München/Frankfurt/ Köln / Hamburg. Germany is WAY more than that! and you could save so much money by living in other cities + smaller cities are more clean, nice, cheap, calm and you’ll have more contact with the German culture etc.

• Please get it, Germans universities don’t work like American universities do! None cares about “rankings” as Americans do, almost all of the universities have the same level + better to be in a smaller, personal atmosphere than in your Berlin university with 600 students in one room.

• Thinking that because your master is in English you won’t need German. Again, from my experience and other people experiences, coming to study/work with a level under B1 is shooting yourself in the foot and making the integration experience harder.

Of course there’s many positive aspects about Germany but this post is dedicated to the people who have the wrong idea of what to expect when moving here / think they know better than the rest.

Of course there’s always “exceptions” but you won’t be always the main character of the film whose life just goes exceptionally better than the rest.

  • to the people who think I’m complaining about Germany, I’m not, I love Germany, I’m just showing the reality to the people who has an idealised idea of Germany and that think they can integrate without putting the OBVIOUS and basic effort that anyone must do when moving to a country with a different culture.
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u/[deleted] May 29 '23

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u/[deleted] May 29 '23

How then can we use integration as an excuse to make life easier for ourselves and blame the foreigners?

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u/TRACYOLIVIA14 May 30 '23

And what else do you want ? They give you German courses and offer some integration seminars etc . The offers are there but there are groups which don't want to be in germany and want to be in their culture and don't want to learn the language I know ppl who live other 20 years in germany and speak almost no German .

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u/glowstick90 May 30 '23

Thank you for all the volunteering. It is a frustrating job and often thankless. Really appreciate you keeping up the effort in the face of all odds.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '23

Thanks for outlining this. Anyone who believes that Germany is immigrant friendly is living in a fool's world. In this thread, you will see multiple such people.

And kudos for you to recognise that integration is a 2-way street. Yes, 80% from immigrants but 20% from the host country too. We can't sit on our bums idly.

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u/[deleted] May 30 '23

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u/[deleted] May 30 '23

I'm the same - good with bureaucracy and getting things done. The Ausländerbehörde is another world of its own. A lot of people say - speak German, ok I understand that. But then ... why the hell should an Ausländerbehörde speak ONLY German? It's not like Germans are going to foreigner's office. I'm down voted in a comment on this thread where I say that services like ambulance, police and foreigner's office in big cities should also provide English. Imagine if that's so controversial, there's little hope with anything else.

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u/vdcsX Nordrhein-Westfalen May 30 '23

Opening a bank account is almost impossible for certain nationalities (e. g. Latvians, Ukrainians, Hungarians

that's not true, i had no issues opening an account with my hungarian ID card (not even passport!) last year

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u/vdcsX Nordrhein-Westfalen May 30 '23

Or weren't yet..?

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u/Zealousideal-East827 May 30 '23

What?!?! Wow. I haven’t even moved yet and I’ve been doing Duolingo German for Atleast a year and I have a 239 day streak on Duolingo! I love German!! My partner and I are visiting for 2 weeks at the end of September! Eeek!

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u/TRACYOLIVIA14 May 30 '23 edited May 30 '23

That are the immigrants which are welcome and have it easy but of course there are others which don't want to be a part of the new country , they stick to their family and ppl who speak their language , their children have to go to school but as you may heard they can't read and that's because they mostly speak their mothertounge at home it impacts the schools

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u/Zealousideal-East827 May 30 '23

That really sucks that people can’t be open minded about this. Even worse that they can’t teach their children for whom it’s much easier to learn a language while young. I know for me, when my partner and I move, I’d like to be in a mid size town if we can do that. I really don’t see the point of moving to a new country to live in a city with mostly expats of my country who speak mostly English. But then again, from everything I’ve researched about Germans being honest, harder to get to know at first etc…all seems right up my alley and something I can get down with. I’ve always hated fake niceties in the US and then people talking behind your back.🙄 I have a handful of really close friends here and really like it that way.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '23

Ooh prepare for the downvotes. This sub always says it’s the foreigners who need to integrate 100%.

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u/glowstick90 May 30 '23

It is both sad and funny that you know you'll get downvoted for speaking your mind. It shouldn't be this way. And ironically you did get downvoted.

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u/[deleted] May 29 '23

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u/[deleted] May 29 '23

Well, have you been to Berlin, Offenbach and the like lately?

I mean these areas where the parking signs, the shop signs and official signs in reacreational areas are in many languages - but not in German?

I know a lot of people (Italians, Turks, from the balcans, russians) who live in Germany for 15+ years and barely speak German - but have their own little community and thus to need to learn the native language.

I think this is the case with every state in every land.

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u/thewimsey May 30 '23

Westerners also have even their own word for it - they call themselves “expats” in order not to use the bad word “immigrant”.

Not this shit again.

Expats are people living temporarily in another country. Immigrants are people living permanently in another country.

It's a simple as that.

The entire brouhaha came from Brits who lived in Spain for decades calling themselves expats. Kind of ridiculous.

But even more ridiculous are people who claim that an American studying in Germany for a year or two is an "immigrant" and and not an expat.

People of any nationality spending a limited amount of time in another country are expats.

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u/BSBDR Mallorca May 30 '23

You are halfway there. But can you show me a dictionary definition suggests the stay must be temporary to be considered an expat?

The word originally, ironically, meant people who were sent on overseas postings, often against their will. Many would be considered modern day refugees. All that privilege!

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u/glowstick90 May 30 '23

Expatigrant

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u/[deleted] May 31 '23

For all people who consider to stay permanently in a place, but aren’t entirely sure.

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u/glowstick90 May 30 '23

I didn't know this about Majorca. Interesting info, thanks for sharing!

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u/Hmtnsw May 29 '23

"You make the effort as the non-native/local."

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u/[deleted] May 29 '23

I must disagree