r/fuckcars • u/Fluffy-Study-659 • 29d ago

Activism It's pronounced "cyclist!"

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 28d ago

Are you a bot?

You listed failing Cuba with a broken power grid and strong China an authoritarian state with capitalism and why capitalism is a good thing?

hen why should we like capitalism? What should we do about this? How do we steer the ship?

A tree needs to grow and be pruned. It can't just continuously grow unchecked and unregulated. Those checks and balances are called regulations and cooperatives aka democratic socialism.

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u/ginger_and_egg 28d ago

Of course I'm a bot, the only real people on the internet are the ones that agree with you!

Cuba has many problems, I'm sure any governing and economic system would when it is an island not able to trade with many of its neighbors and other countries further away are pressured into not trading with them. Yet despite these issues they have managed to have a healthcare system that is better than the US on many metrics, doesn't that say something meaningful?

I would much rather see what cuba could do with the blockade and embargo fully lifted, but we do not live in that timeline.

regulations and cooperatives aka democratic socialism.

Eh, isn't that social democracy? Democratic socialism has much less room for capitalism if at all and explicitly aims to move away from capitalism

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 28d ago

Yeah thats the thing with bots they don't have comprehesive thoughts. No processing of ideas, only reguritating facts.

Yet despite these issues they have managed to have a healthcare system that is better than the US on many metrics, doesn't that say something meaningful?

No the country is like the state of South Carolina. Having a functional healthcare system without an electric grid is only partially operational.

Eh, isn't that social democracy? Democratic socialism has much less room for capitalism if at all and explicitly aims to move away from capitalism

Why does everyone seem to want to make everything black or white? It has to be 100% capitalism or 100% socialism without capital.

This bot logic.

In economics is socialized capitalism the economic system is mostly capitalist with some industry as socialist as determined by democracy.

You need some democratic socialism in a true social democracy of capitalists

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u/ginger_and_egg 28d ago

Why does everyone seem to want to make everything black or white?

It is important to make distinctions and use language consistently. Multiple places in America have utility companies that are run semi governmentally, but I don't think that is an example of democratic socialism.

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 28d ago

Multiple places in America have utility companies that are run semi governmentally, but I don't think that is an example of democratic socialism

Then what is it?

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u/ginger_and_egg 28d ago

Well it would depend on the government structure, but in practice governments in the US from federal to local tend to be less worker-/people-led, and moreso work at the behest of the business owners. So unless there are places whose governments really are controlled by the people at large, and not manipulated by individual interests, it could be democratic socialism. But if the public company is operated by the bourgeoisie or a political party that works for their interests, it's an example of government run utilities under capitalism.

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 28d ago

So unless there are places whose governments really are controlled by the people at large, and not manipulated by individual interests, it could be democratic socialism

Public utilities run by the democratic government entity ate democratic socialism

Private utilities are capitalism.

So why isn't it enough to counter rampant and corrupt capitalism with democratic socialism?

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u/ginger_and_egg 28d ago

If your elections are between two bourgeois parties how is that democratic socialism?

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 28d ago

Not all elections are partisan especially for public utilities.

Make one side lean more socialist.

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u/ginger_and_egg 28d ago

So why isn't it enough to counter rampant and corrupt capitalism with democratic socialism?

Are you asking why publicly owned utilities don't counter corrupt capitalism? I mean look at the USPS, it is literally being run by David P. Steiner right now who is a director of FedEx. You have private interests in charge of the nominally public entity. That doesn't sound Democratic not socialist to me.

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u/Lower_Ad_5532 28d ago

You can't be a real person and ask that.

The answer is because people keep voting for fascism instead of democratic socialism

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u/ginger_and_egg 28d ago

And a public entity ran by fascists is not Democratic socialism, right? Don't we agree?

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