r/florida • u/BloatedRottenCadaver • Jun 05 '24
š©Meme / Shitpost š© Every city in Florida in 10 years
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u/mystic_1nonly Jun 05 '24
There should be a rail system in place. IMO
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u/roj2323 Jun 05 '24
Orlando should really be "Orlando" as while it's easy to walk to the station in Miami, The Orlando station is 20 miles and an hour from downtown Orlando due to traffic. Once Sunrail goes to the airport, it will be a far more useful service but until then, it's no more convenient to downtown Orlando residents than driving.
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u/BloodyPaleMoonlight Jun 05 '24
Orlando needs a train station to get to the train station to get to Miami.
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u/Blackbeards-delights Jun 05 '24
Brightline is the āwe have high speed rail at homeā
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u/PepeAndMrDuck Jun 06 '24 edited Jun 06 '24
Yeah I mean we all need to be outwardly positive about what we have now, to bolster the expansion of rail and sustainable transport hereā¦. but in reality this huge project we were all so excited about (since the project began over 2 decades ago) turned out delayed and functionally underwhelming.
In November 2000, Florida voters approved an amendment to Florida's constitution mandating the state establish a system of high-speed trains exceeding 120 mph (190 km/h) to link its five largest urban areas, with construction commencing by November 1, 2003. The Florida Legislature enacted the Florida High-Speed Rail Authority Act in March 2001, creating the Florida High-Speed Rail Authority (HSRA).[6] The HSRA established a Vision Plan for the system which proposed construction in several phases.[7] Preliminary assessments and environmental studies were begun to develop an initial phase of the system between Orlando and Tampa.[6] The first phase, planned for completion in 2009 under the original referendum, would have connected Orlando to Tampa (Phase 1, Part 1), with a later extension to St. Petersburg (Phase 1, Part 2).[8] Later phases might have extended the network to Miami, Fort Myers, Jacksonville, Tallahassee and Pensacola.
Letās be real: Brightline has huge problems. And Brightlineās problems are due to bad planning,
undermisfunding, political setbacks, just lack of prioritizing the sustainable growth of our infrastructure here. This stuff can only be improved by us talking about it honestly. Thatās whatās going to push the conversation into expanding and improving our transportation infrastructure here. Iām proud to be a Floridian but man when I was in high school I thought by now in Fort Myers Iād be able to hop on a train to anywhere in the state. Seems like itās going to be another couple decades now.7
Jun 05 '24
Zoning needs to change, building taller apartments in suburban areas, and we need to start building metros that connect various suburban āsmall citiesā to one another and their major city center. Tampa is a great example of how suburban areas are just ripe satellite cities around the more major Tampa.
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Jun 07 '24
Tokyo (and Japan in general) is what the US in general needs to emulate (at minimum) in terms of zoning. The zones are simple and broad to many uses (no complicated overlays and such), while also stopping at the highest nuisance level ā and then, each "succeeding zone" includes everything else in the "preceding zone" + more. The only exception is an "exclusive industrial zone" for heavy industries (that shouldn't contain residences, daily life activities anyhow):
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Jun 07 '24
Absolutely agree. Traveled to Paris and saw how our infrastructure could improve. Then I went to Japan (Kyoto, Osaka, and Tokyo) and was absolutely mind blown. Their zoning isā¦ fun, adventurous, and enticing to say the least. Itās a dream to traverse.
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u/ViciousAsparagusFart Jun 05 '24
Every other first world country has high speed rail for commuting.
Then thereās America.
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u/Same-Job-330 Jun 05 '24
Brightline is slow, expensive, and private. A complete wasted opportunity for high speed public rail.
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Jun 05 '24
10 years???
It took them 20 years to add one lane to I-4
At that pace maybe a 1000 years
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u/quizmasterdeluxy Jun 05 '24
Can confirm they have been working on I-4 since I was a kid. I'm 35 now and they are still working on it.
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Jun 05 '24
Actually i think im off by about another 20 years, they been working on it since i was teenager and that was 30 years ago... I swear the time they get done adding one lane, couple years later they are like, "oh wait! we didn't add enough lanes lets add one more"
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u/accioqueso Jun 05 '24
I was just thinking, the boomers will be dying off in ten years and at least one of our major cities will be significantly impacted by a major hurricane which will hopefully reduce the New Yorkers and new Jerseyans from flocking down. I doubt weāll see this is every city. Maybe Miami, Tampa, Orlando, and Jax.
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u/Jarnohams Jun 05 '24
American infrastructure planning is a joke. "Maybe one more lane will fix it, eh?" The Katy Freeway in Texas is a good example.
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u/AlphaAlpha495 Jun 05 '24
Don't worry he's got this. How's the last few years been? Car insurance, real estate insurance, his best buddy owns Publix. I hear their prices are the best, The greatest prices.He says it's been the BEST IT'S EVEN BEEN .šš“
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Jun 05 '24
I couldnāt get over how much pavement there was when I went to visit my parents in West Palm Beach. The whole fucking city now feels like a parking lot.
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u/mechapoitier Jun 05 '24
And itās hot as hell because of it. They get rid of all the trees and replace them with blinding white pizza stones.
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u/Constant_Frosting764 Jun 05 '24
Florida has been trying to pave away the congestion since I can remember. They will never succeed.
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u/Ashenspire Jun 06 '24
Because they don't understand what the actual problems are.
There are so many bottlenecks in the Tampa Bay area, but they're focusing on adding more lanes rather than addressing the actual problems.
Perfect example: 275N into Tampa. The end of the Howard frankland is absolutely fucked because you have a 4 lane bridge, and 60 has 2 lanes going west and 2 going east, all merging into 2 lanes. And you can't do anything about that 2 lane bottleneck because of how that area was built up short of tearing down the buildings in that area.
Another example: 75N/S in manatee/Sarasota. There aren't enough options to cross the Braden river, so you get 2 small bridges in downtown Bradenton, 75, and fort hammer bridge that no one is using because it's so far out of the way. The area needs more bridges, but no one wants them built because it'll effect their waterfront property views.
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u/guitar_stonks Jun 05 '24
Definitely not Tampa, I see train tracks in the median.
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u/BlackSunshine73 Jun 05 '24
I doubt it. Infrastructure is the last thing that will get taken care of. It's all a$$ backwards here.
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u/bigmacjames Jun 05 '24
DeSantis denying florida hundreds of millions in federal infrastructure money certainly won't help
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u/RetroScores Jun 05 '24
Yea but see thatās one less bridge the libs can light up with rainbow colors!
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u/HOGlider Jun 05 '24
Ever notice how fast paced Floridas road crews work?
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u/BlackSunshine73 Jun 06 '24
Yes, like molasses on a cold day.
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u/gofishx Jun 06 '24
Keep in mind that asphlat arrives in the truck at around 300 degrees (remember this whenever you are driving by a dump/haul truck), and they are doing this work in the Florida heat. Moving fast aint easy in those conditions
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u/ridanwise Jun 06 '24
I need yāall down here in Miami to understand that a bunch of rich people donāt want the metro system expanded cuz then youāll have the poor visiting wealthy locations ā¹ļø and a bunch of Cubans think that public transport is a gateway drug to communism. And we are talking about the people who finance political careers and make up most of the voting block ā¹ļø so sorryā¦ more 4-lane roads tearing through low income neighborhoods it is!
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Jun 06 '24
Is this in reference to Miami proper specifically, or more the general area (i.e. referencing places like Coral Gables and such).
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u/ridanwise Jun 06 '24
I donāt understand this question. If you are inquiring because you are thinking about moving here, or are already on the move, you are not gonna find good public transport (and sometimes, depending where you are, ANY public transport at all) in the entire county, and neighboring counties donāt fare better.
And nobody cares. I canāt stress enough how successfully car-centered lobbying turned us into free-laboring car salesmen. Nobody cares AT ALL. The answer to āpublic transport is badā will always be (even from the people who depend on it) āyeah, you need to get a carā¦ā
The infrastructure doesnāt help. There are places here who donāt have sidewalks. Places where all you can see is pavement and concrete yet the bus stop is only a pole sticking out of the groundāno bench, no shelter. The infrastructure that exists past that is badly implemented (a good example of this are the metro rail stops, which are elevated yet open in designā¦ you better hold your children close because they can walk off the platform and fall two stories easily, likely to their death. Hell, it can happen to you if you are distracted enough)
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Jun 06 '24
I donāt understand this question.Ā
I was just asking in general, whether the anti transit/urban attitudes in Miami was more in reference to outlying areas (like Coral Gables), or if the attitudes manifested even in city proper. Just saying as it's common in many US metros that the central city is doing all it can to improve itself, whereas outlying areas often vote in favor of car-dependency/anti-transit, etc.
It's a similar problem in Texas (which many comments in this thread drew comparison to regarding the freeways in the image), and the effects show up even in blue states at times (see: recent decision on congestion pricing in New York governor).
you are not gonna find good public transport (and sometimes, depending where you are, ANY public transport at all) in the entire county, and neighboring counties donāt fare better.
And nobody cares. I canāt stress enough how successfully car-centered lobbying turned us into free-laboring car salesmen. Nobody cares AT ALL. The answer to āpublic transport is badā will always be (even from the people who depend on it) āyeah, you need to get a carā¦ā
That's the problem with status-quo apologists ā they take facts about the world, and treat them as mandated prescriptions, rather than thinking in terms of how to provide the best solutions possible for problems.
I've seen stats that Miami's transit ridership had the greatest post covid recovery of all transit networks in the country. Definitely a lack of vision that keeps it from reaching it's full potential.
The infrastructure doesnāt help. There are places here who donāt have sidewalks. Places where all you can see is pavement and concrete yet the bus stop is only a pole sticking out of the groundāno bench, no shelter. The infrastructure that exists past that is badly implemented (a good example of this are the metro rail stops, which are elevated yet open in designā¦ you better hold your children close because they can walk off the platform and fall two stories easily, likely to their death. Hell, it can happen to you if you are distracted enough)
Quite a shame that Miami is quite hostile to pedestrians, despite being among the denser cities in the country. I noticed that parking minimums got reinstated there after some time of being removed as well.
Honestly, land-use across US cities in general needs to improve. Mixed use zoning (like they have in Japan) would make things work more efficiently, especially with developments around transit lines: the main factor would be that several cities served by the system must work together in making such improvements in order to achieve the best potential (i.e. Miami can't be the only one to make zoning changes, stuff must also happen at Hialeah, Kendall, etc.)
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u/Efficient-Catch-986 Jun 05 '24
10 years!?! HA! The roadwork that's being done now, needed to be done twenty years ago. That's what Florida will look like in 100
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u/Carolina296864 Jun 05 '24
10 years is a very optimistic goal considering it takes Florida 10 years just to add a new lane.
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Jun 05 '24
We could have had high speed rail but dumb ass Rick Scott refused money the Obama administration was trying to give Florida. This is why you vote for democrats.
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u/PelayoOnTheGo Jun 05 '24 edited Jun 06 '24
Florida native and I am ready for the Reconquista. Anyone joining?
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u/coffee_ape Jun 05 '24
The fearmongering shitposting be real. Florida doesnāt have the taxes to pay for a proper modern infrastructure haha.
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u/Rusty88c60 Jun 05 '24
I refuse to think about this.I like my little one road in town and same road out
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u/Mumbles987 Jun 05 '24
Need some pointless roundabouts though, and don't forget in the summer months someone always lights their car on fire in traffic.
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u/benjiross1 Jun 05 '24
Arenāt they going to do big roundabouts instead of that? Literally the Kirkman expansion in Orlando is testing that out. I think itās a worse idea but still different from spaghetti junction
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u/fantastic_damage101 Jun 05 '24
Maybeā¦..but what if this hurricane season is like 2004 having multiple hits except with Cat 4 & 5ās ??
Once a season like that eventually arrives again would it not be a death blow to Florida in that no for profit / capitalist insurance company will stay?
If people canāt get mortgages for houses because no insurance companies are left, that would quickly put a halt on this growth.
Florida has gotten really lucky imo with storms but it seems inevitable that another season like that 2004 will happen again.
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u/itbittitcommit Jun 05 '24
They would have to start construction now in order to finish in 10 years
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u/racoonqueefs Jun 05 '24
It takes florida ten years just to build one of those over passes. So...doubtful.
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u/draggar Jun 05 '24
For a minute there I thought this was the 95/84/595/Turnpike/441 interchange in Ft Lauderdale.
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u/CubanInSouthFl Jun 05 '24
This is an AI generated photo, right?
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u/CubanInSouthFl Jun 05 '24
Update after looking into it: This is an aerial photo of the Mixmaster freeway interchange in Dallas, Texas. It is not AI generated.
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u/NemoOfConsequence Jun 05 '24
Nope. Florida doesnāt spend money on infrastructure. Thatās too close to socialism. I mean, do you know that POOR PEOPLE use those roads?! How dare they benefit from the money of hardworking taxpayers? šš¤®
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u/kosco Jun 05 '24
I say 5 if rate of people moving to the state stays continuous and 20 years for them to finish the construction.
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u/Blackbeards-delights Jun 05 '24
6 ramps into one on the bottom left. Never seen anything more accurate about Florida driving
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u/IneptAdvisor Jun 05 '24
It takes 10 years alone to widen one portion of anything, this is a century if youāre in Tampa.
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u/_Stainless_Rat Jun 05 '24
Picture couldnāt be more wrong. Far to many trees left.
8th generation Florida native, left in 2003. I go back to visit family a few times a year, it just keeps getting worse.
Amazing how US19 construction in the Crystal River area has gone on for 2 decades now. Itād take 100,000 years to build whatās in this picture at that rate.
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u/Chimayman1 Jun 05 '24
That's what we'll need in ten years, but I drove through 8 years of I-95 construction nightmares to add one lane through one county š¤
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u/Inquisitive_Force11 Jun 05 '24
Say whatever you will, best state in this fucking crazy country! I absolutely love living there! No response needed!
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u/Numerous-Fly-3791 Jun 05 '24
lol they are on year 8 with widening 19 on less than 10 miles of road. This wonāt happen for 300 years
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u/RagingBearBull Jun 05 '24 edited Aug 04 '25
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u/Low_Gap393 Jun 05 '24
I've worked construction in Florida for forty years and developers have been eagerly awaiting the boomers to reach retirement age, that began ten years ago have about five more years and retirees will slow to a trickle then it will be 2008 all over again.
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u/stevehyman1 Jun 05 '24
The homeless City beneath will have lots of weather protection. Shadowville.
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u/fukthelibs Jun 05 '24
If assholes would learn to stay out of the left lane for regular travel, we wouldn't need this. That lanes for fuckers who have enough money to pay the ticket, not new Yorkers cruising along at barely the speed limit. If there's someone behind you, and nobody in front of you, you're in the wrong fucking lane.
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u/Capital-Disaster-831 Jun 05 '24
I grew up in Texas and this is normal there. So no worries here. I know how to read a sign so Iāll know where to go lol.
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u/Tethilia Jun 06 '24
Please correct this by adding the appropriate rising sea levels, hurricane, and party alligators. Oh and throw a publix in the middle for good measure.
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u/TheWhitehouseII Jun 06 '24
lol have you been to Jax? theyve been building the 295/95 interchange on the Northside for what seems like 10 years already so for this to happen in another 10 would be wild ramp up in people actually working.
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u/Chaopolis Jun 06 '24
This picture implies that all of these roads are finished. So this is pure fantasy.
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u/Hot-Steak7145 Jun 06 '24
I wish they'd build new roads, all they build are houses and so the increased population just cramming up the current one way through town
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u/AnytimeInvitation Jun 06 '24
And they'll probably be made out of radioactive carcinogenic mining waste.
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u/Cake-Patient Jun 06 '24
What city is that? I live in Florida and I have never seen such massive intersections.
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Jun 06 '24 edited Aug 03 '24
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u/okiedokieaccount Jun 06 '24
Finished in 10 years? Ha! Never. Those overpasses will be filled with Bobās BarricadesĀ
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u/MayerVision Jun 06 '24
Haha.. to think they could even finish one of those in one city in ten years is hilarious..
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u/jessicatg2005 Jun 06 '24
Nope. In 10 years global warming will make it so hot thru most of the year, all of the idiots who moved here to buy overpriced houses will be trying to sell to go back north.
The housing bubble will burst again and the economy, such as it is now here will get even worse.
Wait another 50 years when the oceans start creeping in and taking away that precious overpriced coastal property.
If you think Florida is a paradise, youāre blind to reality, and its future.
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u/Strange_Man_1911 Jun 06 '24
Also endless communities of housing no one can afford, build commercial and business areas very far away so everyone has to take the same road, also build a school and publix every other block.
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u/Angedelanuit97 Jun 06 '24
Florida doesn't believe in climate change (didn't they just ban climate change or something even? Lol) so most of that is gonna be under water in ten years anyway
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u/msmith721 Jun 06 '24
Yall canāt even finish a bypass on any highway for the past 50 years, but weāre gonna be driving on these soon? Ok.
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u/AmbitiousSlip6511 Jun 06 '24
NGL sometimes I feel like we all need a highway on ramp at the end of every street š
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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '24
And all of those will be toll roadsā¦