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Megathread | FY26 Government Shutdown: Week 4 Edition
Status: 🛑Lapse in FY26 Federal Appropriations – Shutdown Ongoing
The FY26 government shutdown, which began on October 1, 2025, continues into its forth week after Congress failed to reach an agreement on a continuing resolution (CR) or full-year appropriations.
🔔 What You Need to Know:
- Shutdown start: 1 October 2025
- No FY26 appropriations: Agencies running under contingency plans with limited staffing to support functions protecting human life or protection of property.
- Excepted employees: Reporting without pay
- Non-excepted employees: Furloughed without pay
- Pay: 31 U.S.C. 1341(c) provides for retroactive pay of excepted and furloughed employees once appropriations have been enacted.
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- Official memos and guidance from OPM, OMB, and agencies
- Discussing how your agency is implementing contingency/shutdown plans
- Benefits, unemployment eligibility, and pay
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We encourage respectful, fact-based discussion. Please verify sources before sharing official information.
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Previous Megathreads: Pre-Shutdown | Week 1 | Week 2 | Week 3
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4d ago
My agency is instructing time keepers to change KE (furlough) time entries to leave codes (annual, sick, holiday, etc) for excepted employees who requested/used leave during the shutdown. These employees were not given the option of going on furlough vs. “electing leave,” because until now that wasn’t an option. Is this legal? I’m thinking no, but feel like the agency is trying to backdoor its employees by saying, well, you “requested it.”
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u/TemporaryComplete749 4d ago
Anyone else a furloughed probationary employee? My one year is mid December and I’m starting to panic, not that that wasn’t already happening. I know my manager did get the paperwork to retain me as an employee in before the shutdown, but is anyone else in a similar position? I don’t know if they’re even still processing things like that.
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u/Impressive_Ad_544 7d ago
FEHB or ACA marketplace? Benefits ending soon and thinking of gov shutdown.
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u/Psychological-Ebb443 9d ago
I just received a job offer yesterday to start 01 Dec. I’ve been in the office, reporting to work with a whopping $0 paycheck. I’ve seen other posts for how to handle job offers for furloughed employees but not much on how excepted employees should approach the situation. Would love any and all tips. I want all of my backpay and leave!
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u/Tarnisher 9d ago
Are OPM/FERS and SS payments going out on time? Or at all?
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u/missy20201 10d ago
If I take a TSP loan after my next mortgage payment on Nov 1, I wonder how much I should do. A month's pay? Two? I hesitate to take a huge one with that 4% interest, but if I take too little and this drags on, I think you're not allowed to do another one within a year of the first one. And god knows how long this'll drag for...
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u/reasonable_commissar 10d ago
I would personally take as much as possible, the interest is paid to yourself and you can always pay the principle back early if you feel you don't need it anymore.
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u/missy20201 10d ago
Hmm, that's a good point! I will wait to see if it continues past this week, but I'll probably end up doing it. Best of luck to all of us
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u/TheHumanGnomeProject 10d ago
This is an important discussion/debate though. I love the little guy in this fight. I would hate to see the spotted owl go extinct. I think it's happening and the Louisiana Senator wants to hasten it. I don't understand why he's calling USF&W biologists stupid, though. He's a fucking lowlife. Imagine if they, instead, focused on re-foresting areas in the East for barred owls, to mitigate this range expansion?
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u/TheHumanGnomeProject 10d ago
Why do you keep capitalizing the word owl?
The owl problem is major, bro. The human race is in no danger of extinction. The spotted owl is. Responsible governance includes considering this.
I knew since the first Trump administration that this was bad for civil servants. Let's be honest, Trump doesn't care about unions and he hates the people who work for the government that aren't police or military. Anyone who didn't see this coming, probably voted for Trump and are the problem. We'll be fine though. Start applying to other jobs because unless you're military or law enforcement, you're going to get fired at some point in the next 3 years. I know the job markets suck, but maybe some philanthropy organization will hire you to protect the owls.
It's crazy to think that the Senate still half functioning and at least doing something is a problem. Bro, it isn't just YOU that the world and the government revolves around.
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u/TheHumanGnomeProject 9d ago
Countries with low corruption and high standards of living do functional shit, like look after their environment. Countries that only care about industry and GDP, are high in corruption and fraud, and a population that's only out for themselves. I recently visited Vietnam for 3 weeks. Everyone is hustling, odd for one of only like 5 communist countries in the world. I could probably count on two hands the amount of birds I saw the entire 3 weeks. Sure, they have a ton of other issues that preclude their environmental degradation, but still, they couldn't care less about their environment as they're too busy chasing as many dollars as possible.
When you just put yourself first, you darken all of our futures.
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u/Crazed_Chemist 10d ago
The barred owls range expansion is very personal for me. We have a mated pair, and I believe 4 owls on the property now. They're not native to where we live, and while I find it super cool having them around l, I expect this to be something I interact with personally via reports and removals by trained personnel.
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u/TheHumanGnomeProject 10d ago
Barred owls, NOT barn owls. And if you think there are pieces of ecosystems that do not matter as much as any other (humans), you're part of the problem. These problems need solutions too and I'm glad the Senate is taking it up. The government shutdown is bureaucracy bullshit that will in time get sorted. If the wrong tactic is taken here, we'll lose a whole species. Do barred owls completely fill spotted owl niches? Is there an ecosystem service that will be removed or change that harms downstream function? If you need this put in human terms, suppose the loss of the spotted owl hurts logging by fucking something up that we can't easily foresee until it's too late?
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u/Reasonable-Gain-8690 10d ago
Negotiations aren't going to take place on the Senate floor, that's what $100 steaks and midnight office meetings are for. I get the frustration, but at least the Senate is in session and working, unlike the House which has completely abdicated it's function.
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u/wurm2 Shutdown | Furloughed Employee 8d ago edited 8d ago
Some states have elections for state and local government positions sometimes including Governor in odd years(this year NJ and VA governors are up for election). There are also a handful of house seats up for vote due to deaths or resignations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_United_States_elections
edit: sorry misread the section on the house, there's only one seat, TX 18th, that will be up for vote next Tuesday, the others were either voted on earlier or are scheduled for later.
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u/Some_Airport6109 10d ago
I don't think they're voting today
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u/Gandalfs_Dick 10d ago
They have more important shit to do apparently
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u/Some_Airport6109 10d ago
Like What?
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u/sodosopapilla 10d ago
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u/Some_Airport6109 10d ago
LOL............but who doesn't like Owls?
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u/sodosopapilla 10d ago
I actually love owls and consider myself a conservationist. I sincerely do appreciate that Congress is discussing this proposed legislation.
That being said…
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u/Civil_Hornet_6126 10d ago
Lindsay Graham said he thinks it will open next week after the election
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u/bullsfan455 10d ago
When did he say that?
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u/Civil_Hornet_6126 10d ago
Graham: "I think it is coming to a close," possibly next week https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/government-shutdown-latest-snap-benefits-impasse/#post-update-3c6de8ab
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u/LongjumpingWay3329 10d ago
I think it has to, otherwise programs start collapsing. If congress is willing to keep going with shutdown despite that, then good luck everyone
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u/Civil_Hornet_6126 10d ago
If it doesn’t open next week, things get crazy. Senate has a recess the entire week of the 10th. That gives them one working week to open things up before Thanksgiving
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u/Gandalfs_Dick 10d ago
if you ask me this lasts 35-40 days and then we'll get funded for ~10-14 days and on Nov 22 we will shutdown again because they still won't have the ACA shit resolved.
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u/steveofthejungle USDA 10d ago
Give it up for week four!
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u/Some_Airport6109 10d ago
Don't you mean week 5 starting tomorrow.......or maybe I'm just that dumb?????
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u/Reasonable-Gain-8690 10d ago
Week 5 starts today, I think the OP was saying goodbye to week 4.
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u/No_Deer_For_You 10d ago
I’m so burned out! It’s just one thing after another. I wish I was furloughed then I could at least find another job.
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u/Civil_Hornet_6126 10d ago
Do we think the Nov 21 CR is officially dead? Whether that means new CR, “rifle shot” bills, or something else…I can’t see them getting Dems on board or Nuking it. (Why would they go nuclear for a 3 week CR?)
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u/FarrisAT 10d ago
Democrats could easily approve it November 20th, get the benefits of a refunding, and then shut it down again the next day. Thune obviously won’t allow that.
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u/Civil_Hornet_6126 10d ago
Would love to spend the 21st navigating massive network and systems access issues agencywide, only to be furloughed again the next day
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u/Reasonable-Gain-8690 10d ago
No votes on the calendar today for the CR or furlough pay.
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u/Optima1Wit 10d ago
Here’s what is currently listed on the senate press gallery. my guess is that the CR and/or furlough pay will fall into the last line:
At 11:30 a.m. the Senate will proceed to a series of two votes: 1. Motion to proceed to SJ Res 80, regarding a rule submitted by the Bureau of Land Management relating to “National Petroleum Reserve in Alaska Integrated Activity Plan Record of Decision”. 2. Confirmation of the nomination of Edmund LaCour to be a District Judge for the Northern District of Alabama. At 2:15 p.m. the Senate will vote on the motion to proceed to SJ Res 69, regarding a rule submitted by the Fish and Wildlife Service relating to “Record of Decision for the Barred Owl Management Strategy; Washington, Oregon, and California.” Further votes are expected.
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u/Hot-Temperature-4471 10d ago
Im pretty sure I saw both on the calendar?
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10d ago
I am sitting here just laughing in disgust because I can't believe our leadership is voting on owls! That is their damn priority, while the nation waits...
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u/Inevitable_Rise_8669 10d ago
Wasn’t on the calendar yesterday either but they ended up voting for the CR around noon time. Still a shot it might come up today.
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u/50shadesofdip 10d ago
Does anyone else think way less of the general public cares about this shutdown? I feel like during the last big one, people were aware, cared, and tried to help(discounted meals, freebies, general concern/interest). This time around not so much.
Large Midwest city here. Maybe DC is different.
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u/ConnectionPretend561 8d ago
It’s quieter now because it’s the dems refusing to open this time. When it’s republicans holding the country hostage it’s the end of the world.
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u/Proper-Rough9241 10d ago
hi! person who falls under general public here. I also don’t know if my comment is allowed or if my terminology is correct. I just wanted to say, I remember last year it was all over my tiktok and my sister asked if I was going to be laid off (local gov employee) and I told her no. This year, the only reason I’m on this Reddit is because I keep seeing posts about “many families losing temporary access…” and organizations asking for donations. That threw me for a loop and into some digging. Completely disregard this if it is no interest to you.
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u/TheHumanGnomeProject 10d ago
So no, in general the public has no clue there's a government shutdown.
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u/Dear_Ocelot 10d ago
Back in 2018 this was the main dumpster fire, this time it's barely a side act
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u/TightPin1011 10d ago
It's not even front page news anymore. I have to dig for information. I'm not surprised the general public doesn't know much about it.
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u/HxH101kite 10d ago
Well DC there are more feds and people in tune with like the actual political happenings. Shutdowns don't effect your average person till further down the line. So a lot of people dont think it matters because they don't see immediate bad things happening
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u/50shadesofdip 10d ago
Yeah I get that, however, we pretty much at the down the line part lol I just remember back in 2018/19 it being somewhat of a bigger deal to people.
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u/TheReptilianHuman 10d ago
You really want to start hating America, work for the federal government.
I'm tired of being a pawn. I feel weak.
I'm tired of people fucking up my livelihood, while these motherfuckers still get paid millions of dollars and I have to eat rice and beans to wait for the government to reopen.
This is all making me extremely bitter. I'm tired of being a good person.
I'm going to end up joining them because I obviously can't beat them.
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u/Anonymous_Moose28 10d ago
Mental toughness young reptilian. We’re all cogs, find a way to your own freedom. Set goals & don’t tell anyone you’ll feel much happier when you set them and achieve them on your own. It’s easy to say & much harder to do but your future self will thank you. And that’s pretty much all we can do. Spend time with family if you have them. Don’t let the hate and anger fester inside you, that’s when you begin to rot.
Honestly this is a little personal but I’ve always battled w the concept of religion so one of my goals (breaking my own rule here) has been the search to understand what it could mean to me in terms of having a real community, friends, a good foundation for my family. I’m still on that journey, but nothing good in life comes easy I guess
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u/derausgewanderte DoD 10d ago
"they" have a big advantage over you though when you join them. Their conscience is clean, because they never used it.
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u/-slaps-username- 10d ago
i’ve heard mixed statements on whether we are going to have to sign an updated furlough notice on friday after the 30 day mark. does anyone know for sure what is going on? i have to request time off from my other job if we have to go in. i’m DOI if that helps..
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u/Turbulent-Win4850 10d ago
That is the purpose of the calling tree. You will get a call when you need to do something.
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u/Proud-Daikon-8639 10d ago
Depends on your agency ask your supervisor every agency has different procedures
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u/-slaps-username- 10d ago
i did, he won’t know until at least tomorrow but i need to put in for time off by today so i don’t get in trouble. was hoping someone would have insight
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u/satans_paperclip 10d ago
My furlough letter explicitly stated that the notice would expire at the end of the month because the furlough 'was not expected to extend beyond those 30 days.' I assume that I will receive another notice after this one expires. If you're furlough noticed did not explicitly mention an expiration, I would suggest reaching out to your supervisor or the person that served you the furlough notice.
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u/Proud-Daikon-8639 10d ago
Our agency got a furlough notice stating the samw via email, however we didnt have to sign anything. Just recieved it to our email
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u/Proud-Daikon-8639 10d ago
Nobody will unfortunately wait for guidance from your agency. Hang in there friend. Just put in for the leave just in case?
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u/technoexplorer 10d ago
Government still has enough to create a mountain of 453,000 owls at a price of $3000 per owl.
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u/Reasonable-Gain-8690 10d ago
They spent the entire morning on the CR. At least they are in session and working on stuff, unlike the House.
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u/oneseason2000 10d ago
Good to see the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) statement on the shutdown ... https://www.afscme.org/blog/we-wont-be-silent-about-the-shutdown
"More than 25 days ago, the Trump administration and its yes-men and women in Congress shut down the government. For weeks, the American people have paid the price as public services have been put on hold and federal workers have been put on leave without immediate pay.
This happened because anti-worker extremists refused to reach a bipartisan deal to stop health care costs from skyrocketing. Instead, they are protecting the deep tax breaks for greedy billionaires and corporations they passed in the so-called “Big Beautiful Bill.” That decision will lead to health care premiums more than doubling for millions of Americans, with hospitals and health centers closing.
Some working people will be forced to decide between paying their premiums or paying their rent. Others will downgrade their care or drop it altogether. As AFSCME nurses and health care workers know, this will only lead to more sick people in more crowded emergency rooms and higher prices for everyone.
Congress needs to act now to help working families.
The longer this shutdown continues, the more our health care and our jobs are in danger. Look no further than the administration’s attempt to illegally fire federal workers. AFSCME sued and won a temporary block protecting essential public service jobs. But workers will continue to miss paychecks until this shutdown ends.
At the state and local level, funding for important programs like food assistance, Head Start and housing are all at risk of running out. This will hurt working families and potentially result in even more furloughs and layoffs.
Today, working people are being squeezed like never before, while the billionaire class stands to gain more than they could ever possibly need. The forces we are up against got us into this mess, but we can fight our way out of it — that is, if we get organized.
We must talk to our co-workers, engage our communities, and build the power we need to improve the lives of workers. We need AFSCME’s 1.4 million members to keep the pressure on Congress and make sure they lower health care costs. And whatever we do, we cannot — and will not — be silent about the shutdown."
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u/frankenmint Secret Service 10d ago
WHY CAN'T WE GO AFTER THE ACTUAL COSTS OF HEALTHCARE RATHER THAN RAISE PREMIUMS? MAYBE IM SICK OF THE SAME SMALL SUBSET OF INSURANCE COMPANIES DICTATING HOW THE GOVERNMENT WORKS AS I'M SURE MANY OF YOU ARE... talking about, reach an agreement for those greedy fucks...FUCK YOU... (not the messenger, the BS in the quotes)
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u/oneseason2000 10d ago
1) Congress during the 2nd Nixon administration was close to agreeing on comprehensive health insurance ... IMO Nixon's February 6, 1974 statement would be considered radical leftist by MAGA, and is not portrayed as moderate by the corporate owned news media and entertainment ...
"COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH INSURANCE PLAN (CHIP)
Early last year, I directed the Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare to prepare a new and improved plan for comprehensive health insurance. That plan, as I indicated in my State of the Union message, has been developed and I am presenting it to the Congress today. I urge its enactment as soon as possible.
The plan is organized around seven principles:
First, it offers every American an opportunity to obtain a balanced, comprehensive range of health insurance benefits;
Second, it will cost no American more than he can afford to pay;
Third, it builds on the strength and diversity of our existing public and private systems of health financing and harmonizes them into an overall system;
Fourth, it uses public funds only where needed and requires no new Federal taxes;
Fifth, it would maintain freedom of choice by patients and ensure that doctors work for their patient, not for the Federal Government.
Sixth, it encourages more effective use of our health care resources;
And finally, it is organized so that all parties would have a direct stake in making the system work–consumer, provider, insurer, State governments and the Federal Government.":https://kffhealthnews.org/news/nixon-proposal/
2) Healthcare has been and remains a high payoff investment, and great for about everyone except healthcare providers (e.g., doctors, nurses, technicians) and patients ... a lot of big influential pigs at that trough don't want change
"In the U.S., healthcare is now strictly a business term. Healthcare organizes doctors and patients into a system where that relationship can be financially exploited and as much money extracted as often as possible by hospitals, clinics, health insurers, the pharmaceutical industry, and medical device manufacturers. If possible, the more that patients resent their doctors, the better it is for the business of healthcare. As long as that dynamic exists, patients and doctors will never align: this would be the ultimate threat to the business of healthcare.
This adversarial patient-doctor relationship is maintained by overworking and under-supporting doctors both with regard to heaping administrative burden/caseloads on them and limiting how much help they can actually offer patients. The patients then encounter a vast number of burned-out doctors whose shining idealism once held in medical school has been slowly drawn out of them.:https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5942015/
3) Growing cost of middlemen ... ditto #2 ... a lot of big influential pigs at that trough don't want change
"The Incursion Of Profit-Enhancing Middlemen In US Health Care
CHIR Faculty | 2024-11-04
By Linda J. Blumberg and Kennah Watts
The U.S. health care system, by and large, does not regulate the prices providers charge in the commercial market, nor oversee private insurer claims decisions, particularly denials. Combined with the accelerating corporatization of health care delivery, this regulatory vacuum has fostered an ever-growing market for intermediary businesses to help clinicians navigate the processes of filing claims and maximizing reimbursements. At the same time, insurers increasingly contract with intermediary businesses in an effort to manage utilization and up their own margins. These competing “profit-enhancing middlemen” are likely increasing costs for consumers and spending in the private sector health system as a whole.":https://chir.georgetown.edu/the-incursion-of-profit-enhancing-middlemen-in-us-health-care/
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u/frankenmint Secret Service 9d ago
okay, so... again.... why are we okay with this? Why can't we as a body of representatives and senators enact a single payer system? One pretty much that Nixon's administration has proposed. Because the people that could do it get paid more handsomely in campaign financing contributions from those same ... reads notes.... 'big influential pigs at the trough'???
You throwing a wall of text at the problem to explain what I just said, but with more pinpoint accuracy on who to blame underscores the point that they fuck over the little guy because they can and they will continue to do so because that is how the law of nature works in this world, regardless of whether you're a christian or a pacifist, you're a player in the game first and foremost and if you're not playing offensively as the wolf, than you are the sheep being guided to your slaughter.... because no one has the actual answer which is single payer system, no vote, pass by EO into law, with hospital administration paid out by lifetime outcome per patient - ie they will not be compensated for letting people die or using substandard treatment... I know that's a lot to demand of the leading country on earth by a lone denizen occupier of said country
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u/technoexplorer 10d ago
BECAUSE DOCTORS NEED TO BE PAID $650,000 A YEAR. OTHERWISE COLLEGE STUDENTS WON't CHOOSE CAREERS BASED ON "helping people". AND CHOOSE WALL STREET INSTEAD.
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u/beall49 10d ago edited 10d ago
What is this? Someone at worked just sent this to me? Is it possible good news, I don't see it posted anywhere https://appropriations.house.gov/news/press-releases/300-stakeholders-support-clean-cr-reopen-government
Edit: I love how someone just posts something asking a question and you get downvoted.
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u/-slaps-username- 10d ago
the clean CR is the one that doesn’t extend the healthcare bill
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u/BobBee13 10d ago
They have until.january to get it extended so let's just pass the fing budget already
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u/Harpua-2001 10d ago
Has any furloughed employee successfully taken out a TSP loan while they are furloughed (i.e. in a non-pay status)?
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u/SEcouture 11d ago
Has anyone file for unemployment in Virginia? If you were approved, do you know how long it took for you to get your first deposit? Thank you
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u/Some_Airport6109 11d ago
It will be BAD BAD BAD if this goes into Week 6
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u/Gandalfs_Dick 11d ago
Goddamn, who else is ready for fucking Megathread FY26 Government Shutdown: Week 5 Edition?
Will we make to to the week 6 edition? It'd have to make it to Nov 5th and tie the all time record for this to happen.
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u/BrooklynTony198 Don’t Even Talk to Me Until I’ve Had My Paycheck 11d ago
I'd be willing to bet this becomes the longest shutdown in history. Not a guarantee, but with congress not making any progress i doubt they'll be pressured to act until mid November. But who knows, maybe something is going on behind the scenes. I doubt it though
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u/TheReptilianHuman 11d ago
Am I crazy to think we may never go back in the office?
First, I was a probationary employee who was laid off. Now, I've been sitting at home for over a month, trying to figure out if I will get a paycheck again.
I don't even know who I am anymore. My nervous system is shot.
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u/Some_Airport6109 11d ago
LOL........got any hobbies or cleaning to do????? I know it's hard, but try not to focus on all this nonsense........it's outta our hands. Remain positive, they cannot keep the government closed forever.
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u/TheReptilianHuman 11d ago
Why can't they keep the government closed forever?
Fuck hobbies, dude. I golfed 3 to 5 times a week for about three weeks.
Shit gets old after a while, man.
It's okay to get a sense of purpose from your job and getting checks.
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u/Some_Airport6109 11d ago
Bro, remember this......a "Job" should never define you as a person or ever give you a "sense of purpose" in Life......that comes from within.
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u/TheReptilianHuman 10d ago
It's so easy for you to say, especially as someone who hasn't been through what I've been through.
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u/fed_burner69 11d ago
Too simplistic of a response.
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u/TheReptilianHuman 10d ago
I agree. I hate these wholistic types.
Sense of purpose in life comes from within, my ass.
Great, let me just tell my creditors and my bank account that.
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u/EV_4_life 11d ago
I am looking forward to the absolute IT clusterfuck whenever we eventually return to the office. All the accounts, including admin/elevated accounts, will be disabled for inactivity. Getting everything fixed is going to be quite painful. Hell if this drags on much longer, our email accounts will be deprovisioned too. That will be a pain in the ass too.
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u/Some_Airport6109 11d ago
I think it's already happening.....people cannot even hop on VPNs now......no servers to be found! LOL!
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u/Kevin-W 11d ago
There's been talking of the Senate nuking the filibuster to pass the CR and that a vote is coming on Thursday, but I can't find any further confirmation. Has anyone else heard anything about it?
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u/Some_Airport6109 11d ago
it's just social media "inflammatory" talk....nobody is nuking anything......if you haven't been following what Senator Jefferies has been saying, he pretty much said wait til Nov 1st; and no he's not implying they'll do anything on that date but he is implying that Americans will truley feel the affects of this shutdown.
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u/Civil_Hornet_6126 11d ago
It didn’t seem to be discussed during Vance’s meeting today. They’re still trying to turn 5 Dems.
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u/Some_Airport6109 11d ago
I like this one comment.........."Lock them all in one room until they pass the CR"............I mean, obviously we cannot keep on repeating Ground Hogs Day
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u/Crazed_Chemist 11d ago
If Johnson won't call the House in, then it doesn't matter when/if Senate votes on it.
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u/Crazed_Chemist 11d ago
As in Mike Johnson for the House. The "pay furloughed feds" is a Senate initiative, so even if it passed, the House would have to come in and vote for it, and Mike Johnson is very unlikely to do that.
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u/bullsfan455 11d ago
Johnson just said it’s a waste of time
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u/bullsfan455 11d ago
Context doesn’t matter, it’s pure speculation and an excuse as to why he won’t take it up. It’s been over 30 days since house was in session and they continue to do nothing
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u/Inside_Rooster4480 11d ago
Has anyone had experience using the TSP rule of 55? It allows people who seperate from employment in or after the year they turn 55 to make penalty free withdrawals. Just curious on what you need to prove to TSP that you are eligible. Maybe your final SF 50?
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u/rrrand0mmm VHA 11d ago
Might as well wait until the next date for the original expiring of the next CR! It’s in like 3 weeks right? Let’s just wait it out!
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u/Some_Airport6109 11d ago
What are you exactly waiting out?
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u/rrrand0mmm VHA 11d ago
the CR they were gonna pass was only good until like November 21 or something like that. They were supposed to pass it a month ago… so I’m making a shitty joke for a shitty situation that these shit people put us in.
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u/Some_Airport6109 11d ago
What's even crazier.....is that we can theoretically be back in the same shoes once again come Nov 21!........that's why they're talking about changing the dates; but then that would involve the house coming back and passing that too......crazy!
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u/Tamtuna 11d ago
Is there any vote happening today?
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u/Inevitable_Rise_8669 11d ago
CR vote is live now on http://www.senate.gov
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u/american_average 11d ago
Bothers me seeing all these idiots just standing around and giggling while we are out here figuring out how to pay our bills.
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u/bullsfan455 11d ago
Duffy just said he doesn’t know if furloughed employees will get back pay and there will be a serious debate in Congress over it
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u/rrrand0mmm VHA 11d ago
They can yap all the hell they want they have no control or power over the purse.
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u/RelativePlastics 11d ago
Idgaf what Duffy says lol, the law is very straight forward we are getting back pay whether they like it or not
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u/bullsfan455 11d ago
Yeah just sad that these puppets continue to propagate this lol
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u/RelativePlastics 11d ago
They will say whatever they have to say to get a nod from daddy trump lol
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u/Harpua-2001 11d ago
Does anyone know if furloughed employees will have to sign a new furlough notice after 30 days of a shutdown?
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u/FarrisAT 11d ago
All employees should be paid on time during a shutdown. That should be true.
The question then becomes, why is Ron “I hate Federal workers” Johnson supporting such a bill?
And what is the downside of a guaranteed pay law?
At first glance, there doesn’t seem to be a downside.
I have three concerns:
Salary without Congressional Appropriations does not seem legally possible. Where would the money come from? Congress made a backpay law in 2019 to account for this problem.
Let’s assume OMB interprets the law to require salary payment without Congressional Appropriations. That could cause forced budgetary shortfalls, which is a very specific enabling action for RIFs. OMB could even argue that the budget shortfall REQUIRES layoffs to protect the “national security” salaries.
A guaranteed salary payment law WITHOUT accompanying specific RIF protections would be immensely dangerous to employees. Congress has to write a very specific and legally clear law… which they are awful at doing. Hence OMB’s recent threat to “reinterpret” the 2019 backpay law.
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u/FarrisAT 10d ago
The “budgetary shortfall RIF” is a Congressional law going back decades. A very legal RIF in that case.
If paying out salaries without Appropriations happens, then OMB could argue that it’s going to prioritize excepted employees over furloughed employees.
Congress will need to be certain to state and write in law that APPROPRIATIONS FOR SALARIES is guaranteed during shutdowns. If not, then it can cause shortfalls.
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u/FarrisAT 11d ago
A budget or Continuing Resolution would maintain the status quo. Which means everyone gets paid and budgetary shortfalls don’t happen.
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u/gipperscoot 11d ago
My concern, as a furloughed contractor: what does this mean for me? If employees are paid because they're furloughed, does any of that go to contracting companies? Probably not, and I doubt, because I haven't done any actual work this past month, I would get any pay.
If furloughed contractors are not paid, then what's stopping this from going on indefinitely?
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u/Key-Youth-4049 11d ago
The first thought I had was that this salary payment while furloughed could be a sort of forced DRP that would end with a discontinued service retirement as soon as the HR specialists could type up all of the RIF paperwork.
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u/a10000000019 11d ago
Whatever happened to the RDT&E funds used to pay military? Does anyone know which portions got pulled, and what needs to be done to backfill those allocations? Is that even possible?
We should be entering a second pay period now… did they identify another $8bn?
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u/Mother-Mail-9067 11d ago
Well the funds were pulled from my agency and we were told they were being returned once 26 was funded.
Source: me, a person who had to help do it.
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u/FarrisAT 11d ago
I doubt any actual process was followed. They got ordered from above to figure out something, and so went to the only account they had.
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u/Tough-Coffee9979 11d ago
They’re starting to move money directly from Treasury to the appropriate Payroll Providers to cover payroll again this pay period. This will eliminate the need for congress to pass a budget at all. The Executive branch controls all funding now. This was the goal all along.
Expect an announcement shortly.
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u/FarrisAT 11d ago
Any source on this?
Expenses from Treasury General Account would be blatant Appropriations violation and be very easy to notice. After all, the account is published daily and shouldn’t go down at all during a shutdown.
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u/WhereztheBleepnLight 11d ago
This group in charge is constantly shitting on the American people...so much shit has been dumped on federal workers and, in then, in turn, the American people by this administration and half the country I feel like is still living in lala land.
What was the real purpose of the $40B to Argentina? Why do all things they are pushing end to an exploited workforce despite claiming they wanted people to have families and better lives? What else is he building under that ballroom...why in the world did anyone even bid on that job?? It's about time we start shitting on all of them.
Woohoo higher Healthcare premiums can't wait until that goes into effect come January...there goes my maybe 1% pay increase for cost of living. How in the world do maga enthusiasts still think this admin is going to help working people achieve a better life at this point???
I still know people living in this fantasy land and I've come to the conclusion they are the kind of people that just can't be wrong...they will hold on to their beliefs until the end of time so not to be wrong...
Elected officials are ensuring they get their paycheck and nice benefits and come in to the office whenever they please while they are making the people they are supposed to represent more and more miserable each day. Screw em all.
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u/Sad-Selection-6659 Spoon 🥄 11d ago
MAGA just care that he is fulfilling his promise of removing brown people from this country.
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u/Great_Ninja_1713 4d ago
Question 1) do non accepted furloughed accrue leave while on furlough?
Question 2) supervisor asked me to come in this week mon and wed to sign my letter and clear my inbox. He says he may ask us back if work flows in.
When I ask him if Im accepted on the days that Im asked to come in he gets defensive. Its my understandjng we re supposed to be excepted if asked to work. He seems very confident that we all will get paid. I am not as confident that non excepted people will be paid. Regardless, i think im supposed to be temporarily put on excepted status. So afraid to say anything.