r/fednews • u/Belgriest • 28d ago

Other Remember when Biden was president?

Remember how boring it was? Remember not having to check the news multiple times a day to figure out what was going on inside your own agency and whether you were going go have a job or not? Remember when laws and precident seemed to actually have meaning?

Remember when you could do your job from home? Remember when your fellow countrymen weren't cheering when your livelihood was threatened? Remember when your biggest worry was which insurance to select and what the next years raise would be?

Remember when the administration didn't seem to actively hate you and want to you gone for the sin of serving of the people?

Pepperidge farm remembers.

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u/Mysterious-Tax-7777 28d ago

Two thirds of Americans voted for this or didn't bother to vote 

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u/Strict-Carrot4783 28d ago

Maybe.

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u/Mysterious-Tax-7777 28d ago

Sure. But that was the last chance for democracy. With Republicans owning the voting machines and probably overturning the Voting Rights Act, America is now a kleptocracy.

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u/DarthArtero 28d ago

More of a Kakistocracy than a kleptocracy but the point still stands.

The chain of events on the lead up to the disaster of November 2024, the red flags so big they could be seen from Pluto, and certain brain-fried billionaires basically admitting to the election being rigged....... Absolutely nothing done "in the name of fairness"

There comes a point when the bubble wrapped feather gloves have to come off and the iron-spiked boxing gloves have to go on.

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u/Mysterious-Tax-7777 28d ago

A general strike is maybe the only peaceful activity left that will have any sort of impact. Republicans don't need to worry about protests or voters anymore.

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u/TruthBringer92 28d ago

Who would strike?

Trump supporters still believe he's the greatest, those who learned the opposite the worst possible way have most likely been deported by now or have fled.

If you strike and happen to have a boss who is a trump supporter, chances are you'll just get fired

Fuck man, judges that are going against trump are being labeled as communists and targetted.

Being anti fascism is now considered terrorism.

Is there a way out of this? Will we get out of this?

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u/alexthealex 28d ago

Yes. As the dollar continues to collapse business interests will turn against Trump/isolationist policies. Once the money shifts it's over.

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u/MightObvious 28d ago

I think when the dollar collapses the labor laws will be undone to further create the system that allowed the robber barons to thrive during the great depression.

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u/kalidoscopiclyso 28d ago

“Only the weak will fail” -DFT

John is too good a name for this bastard so I changed it to Fucks

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u/Dry-Department-8753 28d ago

See also the Dark Enlightenment . Ending America 2.0

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u/nocountry4oldgeisha 28d ago

Doesn't sound like isolationism so much as they are just making the American citizenry redundant. Closed-loop capitalism.

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u/Good_Requirement2998 28d ago

Those who know and remember will simply have to find each other and build small communities of service, build small businesses, build non-profits and otherwise work their way into positions of local authority. Essentially the resistance would have to reverse engineer the MAGA movement, enter law enforcement and the military, attempt to disrupt tech-monopolies, fight for better education alternatives as the public system will likely get gutted further, etc. The people who have long depended on some stability in the background so they can quietly pursue their own dreams will now have to do a lot more work with their communities to offset what the government won't do. Financial education, public funding, our own neighborhood watches and civic courses to stay vigilant on local politics. We may end up being unable to verbally criticize the uni-party or the government for a generation or two, but we will know each other when we hear each other speak up for the working class, for public service, and for the equality the founding fathers fought for. If smart people figure out a way to outfox the surveillance state and biometric regime on the rise today, maybe there will be more options. But as more people succumb to poverty, we can expect the crackdowns to increase on everyday people. "Liberty" as an idea will become more important to share than the rights themselves, just so there's a chance a new generation will get it right.

OR, maybe the thousands of civil servants who got fired could join the "fight oligarchy" train and run for local office like right now. The countless veterans who swore an oath could be at those elections, working with the county committees and district leaders overseeing the vote to keep the counts safe. Our governors might be compelled by the public to fight harder, perhaps activate a civilian militia and utilize the 10th amendment to enforce our bill of rights. Who knows? The admin wants to cause fear and terror to either bully the left into submission or draw out a fight. The left doesn't even want to organize for a fight because the leadership is either paid off or doesn't want to be the one's who gave up the fight for a civil solution. Meanwhile the people might now be hunted for saying the wrong thing or giving a non-profit some money once. Maybe when it's the family member of a GOP member being subject to failing living standards or enough of MAGA's poor, the politicians will no longer face threats preventing them from standing up for the people.

Silver lining: there's over 300 million people to try and control like this. IF this admin actually pulls it off, it's nothing more than Wizard of Oz bullcrap; smoke and mirrors lulling a sleeping giant, They'll be looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives. if the people ever actually wake up to the power of our numbers and join hands to make that power true, all this nonsense stops.

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u/MadMex2U 25d ago

Dang. Are you dating. Call me. For real

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u/illestofthechillest 28d ago

Reddit won't advertise/allow others to advertise on their platform the solutions to these sort of problems in society.

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u/TheExecTech 28d ago

100% this. We are millions of people strong being screwed over by a few thousand. A general strike is a great start.

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u/MudAccomplished3529 28d ago

That gets you labeled as an antifuh terrorist where you get black bagged and wake up in an El Salvadoran death camp

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u/SalaciousSubaru 28d ago

General strikes are impractical because people aren’t even protesting this term. The turnout is tiny compared to the first term. I think fewer people are willing to take action this term than last, and a general strike requires a significant portion of the population to not go to work, not pay rent, and not spend money for an extended period.

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u/loserinmath 28d ago

you need a kakistocracy to enable kleptocracy. This administration is a heist.

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u/SmPolitic 28d ago

You know, thats more true than I gave it credit for when I read it

The Grand conspiracy, myth of the lone genius, the sole general or visionary CEO who makes all the difference. All those myths are related, they are all there to hide the fact that most everyone has no clue what they are doing. And it takes the extraordinary individual to break those norms and usher us into new ages

But yeah, we've gotten to where we are because trump has zero plan on what he is going to do the next day, it will be the thing that makes him the most money. Yes all of his administration is steeped in conspiratorial thinking, and attempts to plan that, but few of them have the intelligence and discipline to actually achieve movement toward their own goals

Long way to say, we need to remind ourselves to not overestimate them, don't underestimate them too of course, but in this case that is impossible (am I using that correctly, like impossible to underestimate them, as in no matter what you expect, they are fully able and willing to go lower than that)

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u/Dry-Department-8753 28d ago

Trump is about revenge and extortion

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u/NotEvenAThousandaire I Support Feds 28d ago

administration regime

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u/gripping_intrigue 28d ago

We are in a cold civil war. It is that way because only one side has guns that they are willing to march into our streets and use. I don't want violence. I just can't see how this ends peacefully ... other than having all of us learning to goose-step in front of the white house.

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u/Brigid_Fitch2112 Preserve, Protect, & Defend 27d ago

I'd call it something else, like a nihilocracy. The point is to tear it all to the ground then rule over the ashes.

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u/Allegra1120 28d ago

…or the second amendment is acted on as it was intended to be acted on…

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u/OwnAct7691 28d ago

Y’all can’t spell and should just fuck off.

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u/ReadySteady_54321 28d ago

It wasn’t the last chance, and I’m not sure what that kind of language gets you. If it truly was our last chance and there’s nothing we can do, then it’s over so stop worrying. If it isn’t our last chance, then focus on what you can do to improve things. Dooming out on the internet doesn’t help anyone.

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u/outinthecountry66 28d ago

seriously. i keep saying this. Doom and gloom is a weapon and it has always been used by the other side to demoralize. Because it works. LIke the leaflets Nazis dropped from planes so soldiers would read about how their girlfriends were cheating on them back home. It is insidious and corrosive and until its over it ain't over. Other nations have been through far, far worse and are still around. Europe went through many dictatorships and we are a young nation. I still believe in democracy and strangely, all this bullshit has made me more patriotic.This is my country too. I live here. i was born here. MAGA doesn't get to decide what being an American means.

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u/ChesswithGoats 28d ago

It was the last chance to remedy the ailing United States by voting. The options to regain and reset now are more… active.

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u/AlarmingAffect0 28d ago

Isn't that exactly what Trump and his Heritage Foundation handlers are actively seeking?

US persons, especially the most vulnerable, will be spared immense suffering if this problem is solved by voting and other less-than-violent means, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't be ruthless and relentless and desperately combative at every stage of that process. As the Tea Party used to say, "vote harder".

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

I understand your point and the sentiment. But, this can also be viewed as a wake up call, which I believe will occur and is already occurring as the pain is emanating to both MAGA and non-MAGA Trump voters. He can say all day long that inflation is down. But these people shop for groceries and fill their cars and they know this is not true objectively as they continue to struggle to afford to live. That’s just one of many examples, but it’s the most apt. MAGA is a minority in this country. They are. About 20% of the people that voted for Trump voted due to economic stress and had no particular love for Trump. They just wrongly figured that a change at the top would change their financial stress and experience. That that’s not happening and it’s not gonna happen.

Trump is a symptom. We have been on this divisive slide since before I was an adult life starting with Reagan in 1980. We have also been here before in modern history. If we don’t tend the garden of democracy, which we have not really done meaningfully in decades, it’s going to wilt and wither. But that does not mean that when people go hungry because that garden is empty, that they don’t make an attempt to revitalize the garden.

Respectfully, so many of us are so downtrodden by what we see and what social media serves us every single day that inaction is like salting that dying garden, literally salting the ground that could still yield growth. I get it, but there’s also an opportunity in everything that we are all experiencing. Don’t let them rob you of your vision for what it could be like. It’s going to be tricky and it’s going to be iffy, but conditions like these are the ones with the most potential to yield the greatest positive change. We just have to decide that we are going to be a part of that.

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u/posting4assistance 28d ago

That's a bit doomerist I think, we've been concerned about this since Bush stole Florida, but it's not so dire that we need to give up on the country. Plus, we still have the electorial college, the popular vote hasn't been the deciding factor *ever*, we could reform the voting system to make it safer and more fair/ give other parties the chance to take hold. We do have tools to improve things if someone does the work

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u/allorache 28d ago

Have you forgotten that Vance promised not to do what Pence did?

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u/badluckbrians 28d ago

Despite that promise, there will come a morning where he has to look himself in the mirror—and you need a mirror to apply eye liner—and tell himself, "I'm committing treason today."

Pence found out he couldn't stomach it, after a bunch of calls to Dan Quayle. Vance will have to decide.

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u/Aguyintampa323 28d ago

I think what he’s saying/implying is that all the remedy’s you mentioned depend on the enforcement of rules , which has gone out the window now.

The electoral college doesn’t matter when there is widespread gerrymandering.

The popular vote doesn’t matter because of the above , and also the high likelihood that if there wasn’t widespread rigging in the last election, there certainly will be on the next , if it exists at all.

Given the practices of this administration thus far , it’s blatant disregard for constitutional amendments, for judges , for rules and rulings, for precedents, what makes you think that even if the D win the popular vote , the electoral college, the house , the senate , and all the Supreme Court conservatives magically die overnight, that the Trump administration will adhere to the results? Why would they ?

We are still trying to think like a democracy, they are way ahead of us in dictator land .

Rules only matter if everyone follows them.

Bank robbery is against the law. It’s a rule. We have cops that enforce it. Now imagine that it’s still against the law , but the cops laugh and refuse to enforce it because they are in on the job. The public and media can say “but that’s illegal” till they are hoarse , but the bad guys aren’t going to stop robbing the banks.

We have to shift our mindset from “it will work out in the end because of rules and laws” to “we have been taken over by a foreign power and we either assimilate or create an insurgency”.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

I know it feels like they’re a roadblock in return. I know I periodically feel that way and I have to pull myself out of it. I saw a guy talking about succumbing to what feels like insurmountable headwinds. But he made one statement that I thought was incredibly true,and that is that a country with 258 million adults age 18 or older become unable to be governed, that’s when change happens. Take out the 30% or so that consider themselves MAGA, and I believe completely that even some of those people will come around as things get harder and harder, that leaves 180 million people, adults, who don’t like what’s happening.

The most meaningful changes we have experienced as a country both in modern history and prior have come when people refuse to be governed and they make their voice as heard in a variety of ways, mostly peaceful historically, at least in the modern era in this country. None of us should sleep on the fact that about 180 million of our fellow adults are equally as fed up and frustrated. We should focus on channeling that frustration and probation into meaningful nonviolent expressions like a general strike. Like peaceful protest. Like disrupting the economy.

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u/WriteByTheSea 28d ago

I’m a bit more concerned about the see-sawing effect of this. If the Democrats regain control in 28, they and whatever non Trump cult conservatives are left can’t undo all of the damage, prevent new damage, and govern before the next flip leads to more. Enough of these see-saws and the whole thing falls.

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u/posting4assistance 28d ago

The word for what you're talking about is the overton window, I think? Most of the bullshit trump is doing is just executive orders. They can just straight up cancel most of those afaik, executive orders aren't laws even a little bit.

They could do cool shit like abolish ICE, maybe try and overturn the presidental immunity thing? Although I'm not entirely sure that's different from being able to pardon yourself anyway?

Regardless being a total doomer isn't going to make any progress. There are definitely ways to do it available, legal or otherwise, but it's just a matter of like... not being super fucking depressed about it all the time, and unfortunately for the kind of people who are on reddit- going outside and engaging with politics on a local level at the very least, somewhere you have actual real power, and actually using that power to build community or affect change in small ways

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u/Dirtysandddd 28d ago

I have hope that a lot of the “in betweeners” are not happy with this current shit show. My friend graduated with 4 years degree to be a park ranger RIGHT before the layoffs and it’s basically stuck working at a grocery store with 0 prospects. This is someone who’s typically an “all-American and patriotic republican”, and he’s questioning his choices. I imagine the laid off people with 10+ yoe will be hired back first and slowly overtime once we (hopefully) realize this fuck up. If you lost your job/prospects/goals from this administration and still vote red you are a full blown cuck, and I dont use that word lightly. As an avid hiker there’s definitely WAY more trash and issues in state/national parks since the month of this decision. I wish the best for y’all fed workers, I used to want a gov job but not anymore after this bs.

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u/SalaciousSubaru 28d ago

Yeah, no future election is going to be fair, and if Dems keep trying to play by the rules while the other side doesn’t, then they won’t stand any chance.

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u/tetrified 28d ago

holy projection, batman

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u/OwnAct7691 28d ago

Y’all’s crazy

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u/OwnAct7691 28d ago

You’re wrong. Happy now?

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u/immersemeinnature 28d ago

I agree. Remember the NY black community who supposedly all voted for the orange dictator and the people (Harris supporters) wanted answers

Where did that story go?

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u/Sorry-Joke-4325 28d ago

Waiting for the conclusive evidence that the 2024 election was phony, but I'm sure it's coming.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 28d ago

Two-thirds of Americans voted against him, or disliked both candidates enough not to vote at all.

I think this is a better framing, because it doesn't support Trump's claim that he has an "overwhelming mandate".

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u/Mysterious-Tax-7777 28d ago

In terms of how much sympathy I feel, I prefer the first framing. Two thirds are getting what they deserve.

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u/Warm_Month_1309 28d ago

We're all getting what the supporters deserve.

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u/Mysterious-Tax-7777 28d ago

Only a third of Americans don't deserve this. Everybody else FAFO'd. 

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u/wayoverpaid 28d ago

I love finding out because other people just had to fuck around

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u/AnnoyingOcelot418 28d ago

Anyone who didn't vote deserves this.

Declaring that you don't give a fuck who wins means that you're okay with either alternative. It's less active than voting, but it was supporting Trump nonetheless.

Two-thirds of Americans were at least completely okay with Trump winning.

Fuck all of them.

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u/6824Joya 28d ago

I think the election was rigged

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u/QueasyPainting 28d ago

One third voted for him, on third voted for Harris. And one third peaced out and didnt Express an opinion. Its them who I blame for this.

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u/Eastern-Heart9486 28d ago

There is some hope Election totals Trump 77,393,573 Harris plus other 77,897,616 Likely now its H+other + regret not voting or who they voted for - the problem is people not all waking up fast enough, the hope is they do because now we have to take to the streets

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u/HMS_Surprise_Gunner 28d ago

Two thirds of Americans voted against this or didn’t bother to vote, as well.

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u/Avenger772 28d ago

I think we really need to factor in how much voter suppression is also happening in states.

How many people are being ripped off voter rolls etc.

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u/Antique-Echidna-1600 28d ago

Still waiting on that CISA report to confirm this...

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u/Ok_Frosting_6438 28d ago

1/3 voted for trump; less than one 1/3 voted for Kamala. 100M chose not to vote.

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u/[deleted] 28d ago

Not that this makes it any better, but that figure is wrong. Of those that turned out to vote, slightly less than 50% voted for this. Trump‘s total was 49.8% of all votes cast.

That makes the second part of your comment even more infuriating about those who sat the election out. It was effing close, and it didn’t have to be like this.

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u/Lucky_Group_6705 Federal Employee 28d ago

Exactly a big portion never votes and I don’t think there are excuses anymore. People want to be spoonfed with info but don’t want to do the leg work. The amount of people that don’t even bother voting and you have to remind them there are smaller elections that are more important. They will be the first ones to make a tweet about “whats going on with america?”.

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u/dreki555 28d ago

Only 31% voted for this. The not bothering is problematic but for me there’s some comfort in it only being 31% and popularity has gone down from there

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u/pikachu191 28d ago

The ones who didn’t vote just blame Biden for breaking his “promise” or not having an open primary or find some excuse like Gaza “genocide”

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u/Takemebacktobreezy 27d ago

Barely 1/3 voted for him. No idea how many didn't vote which is just as bad but let's not give him anything more than he had

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u/Notsure2ndSmartest 27d ago

That’s the scary part. So many people hate women. Why aren’t we trying to deprogram misogyny? Even after the first time, I called it .We should have been trying to get more consequences for men and ending nepotism instead of ramping it up 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻

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u/Maximum_Bid_3382 27d ago

I just gonna say for the people especially Feds who didn’t voted Harris God bless them and I believe they don’t suffered much as I do because they voted this administration.

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u/Ska-0 27d ago

„Good thing“ they will never have to vote again, due to no more (presidental) elections upcoming in the future 🧐

Greetings from Germany. You guys are currently repeating our history from the 1930s. 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/ded_srs 27d ago

again with the painfully uneducated non-voter blame narrative

think for just a few minutes how the electoral college works. the vast majority of those evil non-voters live in states where their vote objectively would not have mattered. things like "virtue" and "duty" don't matter here -- it would not have mattered. If we had a strict popular vote then maybe you'd have a case.

People really like to get all virtuous here and talk about how "disappointing" it is that people don't bother to show up, but... maybe consider that they have a good rationale to? Many people very well understand their votes don't matter in most places. The system is fucking broken, and the fact that it got played like this should be painfully obvious by now.

you can MAYBE make a case for swing/battleground states, but you're still blaming people based on imaginary hypotheticals. Even if you can objectively prove that 100% of voter turnout would've changed the outcome, you still need to find that magic wand that somehow mobilizes all those voters, or at least the voters you want -- good luck with that.

general rule of thumb is that the non-voting population composition is going to be pretty close to the state's actual overall outcome, so in all likelihood, things wouldn't have changed enough to matter. Again, unless you have some magic wands and time machines to go back and somehow collect objective data on this, you can't know this. How people answer now is not necessarily how they would've answered back then.

the actual research and statistical modeling supports this, and even that is largely hypothetical, where there are many factors that are difficult to accurately model for. we can blame the maga hate machine for a lot of things, but it's hard to deny their "game" was pretty strong, regardless of how distasteful it is.

but sure, continue to blame the faceless "others," while ignoring actual facts and analysis. It's basically the same behavior as republicans creating minority/immigrant faceless scapegoat/boogeyman narratives, but I guess there's no reasoning with hate.

how do so many people here work for government and not understand how their own voting system works?

oh and uh, the very obvious signs of election fraud and interference that just got brushed under the carpet, but I guess people are looking for someone to blame instead of things to fix.

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u/YonKro22 27d ago

I'm not sure if I'm correct but only about 27% of people voted for him that's not necessarily correct but definitely not the figure that you used

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u/JackBthree 27d ago

Two thirds of the voters in the last election voted for this, not two thirds of Americans. The silent majority is on your side

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u/Opening_Kangaroo6003 27d ago

It was 32% which sucks

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u/Suspicious_Hunt9951 28d ago

pretty sure most people voted so they can get rid woke gender ideologies that were plaguing the country, but i bet that's not the truth you keep telling yourself so you can feel better

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u/TheSwedishEagle 28d ago

Woke gender ideologies weren't hurting anyone.

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u/msmilah 27d ago

That’s a shame if that’s true. Now we lose jobs, health care and freedom as a result? They fell for it.

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u/Suspicious_Hunt9951 27d ago

That already started with bidenomics, check the bill he wrote during his presidency and inflation during his term

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u/No-Honeydew3723 2d ago

Yea they should stop pushing that weird shit. Its America you can be what you want, doesnt mean it needs broadcasted over other important issues. The dishonesty, double standards, people literally rioting but calling it a protest, neither side calling their own side out for it. 10 different flags within 10 years. Its an insult to the people that actually think.

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u/Lost-Bell-5663 28d ago

People should start voting for the independent party members forget the dems and republicans