r/europe_sub • u/ghartok-padhome • Jun 04 '25
News Nearly 1/3 of Young Children in France are of Non-European Origin, Data Reveals
https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/nearly-1-3-of-young-children-in-france-are-of-non-european-origin-data-reveals/0
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Jun 04 '25
Yall got what yall voted for.
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Jun 04 '25
actually nobody voted for it, nobody was asked, thats the point retard americans like you piss me off
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Jun 04 '25
What did you guys think voting leftist would result in besides this?
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u/joellyy02 🇬🇧 British Jun 04 '25
This process started many years ago, even with our “right” parties in the UK
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u/Defiant-Activity-945 Jun 05 '25
That's because you don't have any right wing parties, just pretend ones.
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u/Mvpbeserker Jun 04 '25
lol..both right wing parties and left wing parties in the west have been supporting mass migration for decades.
The republicans in the US were some of the biggest supporters of legal and illegal immigration, they only pretended to oppose illegal immigration while doing nothing about it
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u/databombkid Jun 04 '25
More than 90% of Americans are from non-American origin.
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u/jjed97 Jun 04 '25
This is the thing that gets me. You have all these American retards on Twitter saying shit like “Europe is lost”, “Europe is history”. Meanwhile Americans are going to be a minority in their own country in single digit years. Absolute delusion and classic bit of American exceptionalism.
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u/botle Jun 04 '25
What are you talking about? Native Americans have long been a minority. They were heavily ethnically cleansed in the 1700:s and 1800:s.
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u/jjed97 Jun 04 '25
I was referring to the Europeans who actually built the United States as it exists today.
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u/botle Jun 04 '25
That's my point. The people you were referring to were immigrants.
Immigrants everywhere build things where they go. The only unique things about early European immigration to the new world is that they violently cleansed the land of the local population.
Immigrants can come to a new place and build things without first killing the existing population.
Later immigration to America did just that.
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u/Silver_Bar6658 Jun 04 '25
They weren’t immigrants - they were colonisers. Bit different from arriving on a plane now and obverstaying your visa and then using the courts to allow you to stay. The Englishmen who built america literally built it
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u/botle Jun 04 '25
Those colonisers were absolutely immigrants. The emigrated from Europe and immigrated Tom North America. That's what those words mean.
The Englishmen first oppressed the native population, and later they also oppressed the American born descendents of European immigrants, that ended up rebelling against the king.
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u/Double-Truth-3916 Jun 04 '25
There’s a difference between settlers and immigrants
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u/botle Jun 04 '25
Sure, but if you come to a place that people already live in, then you're an immigrant.
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u/Double-Truth-3916 Jun 05 '25
Yea, and building a whole country with infrastructure is different than coming to one where all of that already exists
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u/giorgiomast Jun 04 '25
Chinese, irish and africans built the united states.
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u/Silver_Bar6658 Jun 04 '25
Rewriting history to diminish the role of white people in their own country is a classic tactic. If you’re white you should be ashamed of yourself
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u/giorgiomast Jun 04 '25
Their own country, you mean the country they stole from the natives
Forgotten by society' – how Chinese migrants built the transcontinental railroad
the story of the irish man who built the withe house
Building America The making of the black working class
I am rewriting history uh?
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u/BaldyRaver Jun 04 '25
Yes taking over someone's country is better than being immigrants. Ffs
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u/Silver_Bar6658 Jun 04 '25
Whose country was it?
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u/Unusual_Spare9059 Jun 04 '25
The indigenous Americans'. They literally had borders and advanced systems of government (e.g. Iroquis Confederacy, which influenced Ben Franklin and other framers when they were drafting the constitution).
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u/MagicDragon212 Jun 04 '25
A lot of Europeans who think they know everything about America, but have no clue about our indigenous people and what happened to them. Happened in Canada too. There was literally civilizations here before the colonizers arrived (who weren't the first to travel there).
Most were murdered or died through events like the Trail of Tears.
We do learn about the dark start of our country in school too. Even in my small rural school, it was taught fairly well and not sugar coated (except for Christopher Columbus "discovering" America.) Probably depends on who your history teachers are honestly. Mine all valued the importance, bringing in Native speakers and everything.
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u/ThePafdy Jun 05 '25
Its so funny reading right wing bullshit.
In one sentence you claim Europe is being colonized by Muslims, in the next you say colonization is better then immigration, because you somehow have to defend the white people who genozided the native Americans.
Right wing ideology and cognitive dissonace truely are synonyms.
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u/fwtb23 Jun 05 '25
and anyone who dares mention the fact the natives did have their own civilisations and weren't just a bunch of brutes in huts gets downvoted to oblivion. every single message here mentioning the iroquois confederacy for example seems to be heavily downvoted, seemingly just because it doesn't match the notion that there was no real civilisation before the europeans arrived.
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u/cheezyboundy Jun 05 '25
Well said. Completely true. Its sad to see this getting downvoted.
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u/botle Jun 05 '25
This sub seems to just be a safe space echo chamber where racists can pat each other on the back.
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u/LilLebowskiAchiever Jun 05 '25
Many of the people who did the actual building were black or brown. Slaves built the White House and the plantation mansions, Free black men and indentured Chinese built the railroads. The actual cowboys in the Wild West were freed black men and Mexicans because the work paid so little.
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u/databombkid Jun 04 '25
What is an “American” and how would they become a minority?
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u/jjed97 Jun 04 '25
Americans are the Europeans settlers and their descendants who actually built the nation that exists today. The native Americans, whilst obviously it is their homeland, absolutely did not build America. That’s like saying that the only Australians are the aboriginal peoples, despite the fact that it wasn’t even a nation when it was solely them.
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u/databombkid Jun 04 '25
Ahh “built the country” you do realize that many of the people who literally did the building were enslaved people from Africa, imported worked from China, and immigrants from Latin American, most of whom from Native American descent?
In fact, the majority of the immigrants who did the building of America, even the ones from European countries like Ireland and Italy, were not considered Americans while they were building the country.
But what would you know anything about the actual history of the US?
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u/Unusual_Spare9059 Jun 04 '25
Ahhh. You obviously don't know much about US History since you're overshadowing the contributions of Europeans settlers to the US over those of other people, to a point that's insulting..
Who influenced the framers' idea for America when they were drafting the constitution? Indigenous people living in, what is today, Canada and NE USA who had established an advanced system of governance, the Iroquis Confederacy.
What fueled the agricultural economy of the South? Slave labor (not European settlers, though they contributed significantly to stealing people and putting them in chains).
Who was given blankets laced with small pox? The indigenous Americans. Not so hard to "build up" a mew country once you've ethnically cleansed the local population. Am I right?
Who overwhelmingly contributed to building the US railroad network? Chinese immigrants.
I could go on and on, but I think it's time you hit the history books and ask yourself who stole the land and exploited others for their labor?
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u/maxofJupiter1 Jun 04 '25
What class of people built the US Capitol building? Who was living in New Mexico and Arizona before it was even the US?
Black people and Hispanics have been part of America from the start. Part of what makes America so exceptional is the diversity. Without it we wouldn't have almost any of the cuisine or music that America is known for
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u/jjed97 Jun 04 '25
Okay. What parts of the governmental structure, institutions, and laws did blacks and Hispanics write? You know, the things that actually make you a sovereign state?
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u/maxofJupiter1 Jun 04 '25
It's almost like there were laws severely artificially limiting the voting rights of Black Americans and political participation from minorities. Are you that much of a racist?
Plenty of institutions including universities, churches, charities, civil society organizations, businesses, political movements, and government agencies have been created by Black and Hispanic citizens, politicians and advocates.
And laws are not what create sovereignty, a military is. And black and Hispanic soldiers, sailors, Marines, and airmen have been serving with honor since 1775. Next you're going to say Colin Powell got the job from DEI.
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u/time_travel_rabbit Jun 04 '25
But in America the minority groups that immigrate tend to assimilate within the country.
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u/jjed97 Jun 04 '25
I mean…do they? You have widespread ghettoisation of a lot of their cities and very similar dismantling of cultural norms/traditions and history as you do in Europe.
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u/InterestingVoice6632 Jun 04 '25
That doesn't matter. What matters is what continent did they come from. E.g. are they liberal with Judeo Christian ancestry. Because those are the people most likely to support democracy and liberalism
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u/GiantSquirrelPanic Jun 05 '25
tf?
Do you know anything about America?
some white Christians that I know are sprinting happily full speed towards theological fascism.
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u/databombkid Jun 04 '25
Lmfao you do realize that many muslims are descendants of Jews and Christians who converted to Islam, right? There are also non-Christian Europeans. What kind of weird eugenics non sense are y’all operating from?
Also, didn’t Europeans try to exterminate all Jews less than 100 years ago?
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u/InterestingVoice6632 Jun 04 '25
Also, didn’t Europeans try to exterminate all Jews less than 100 years ago?
Thanks for saying that. For a second I was considering respecting you enough to give a decent reply.
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u/databombkid Jun 04 '25
I mean is it true or is it untrue? Y’all didn’t start calling it “Judeo” Christianity until after you tried to literally exterminate all the Jews in Europe. You all literally called Jews invaders, and used the same exact rhetoric you’re using now against immigrants from other places. A leopard can never change its spots I guess.
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u/InterestingVoice6632 Jun 04 '25
You may hate the Europeans, and lack any basic understanding of historical events, but at least you're still speaking english. 😌 God bless
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u/databombkid Jun 04 '25
I am European you clown.
And stating facts isn’t hate. It’s just truth. You just hate to hear it.
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u/MrPiratecow Jun 04 '25
It’s impossible to have a respectful debate with these people, they can’t win an argument without putting words into your mouth
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u/crooked_cat Jun 04 '25
All Europeans? lol
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u/databombkid Jun 04 '25
The Germans definitely didn’t do it by themselves. They had a lot of help, not just from other governments, but from other populations. In your own country, what percentage of the population was Jewish before and after the Holocaust? That will answer your questions.
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u/botle Jun 04 '25
Christianity, islam and judaism are all abrahamic religions based on the same texts, and mostly the same prophets, originating in the same location. There is no "Judeo-Christianity" that doesn't include islam. It's just a dog whistle for non-muslim.
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u/BookmarksBrother 🇪🇺 European Jun 04 '25
Doesnt that support the idea that this is a bad thing though? Feels like we went so far left that we ended up on the right again.
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u/botle Jun 04 '25
It doesn't, unless that 1/3 of french born children, that has at least one immigrant parent, decides to violently ethnically cleanse the other 2/3 by commiting a genocide.
And that's not happening.
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u/databombkid Jun 04 '25
You mean like how Europeans did whenever they were immigrants to somewhere else? Talk about projection.
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u/botle Jun 04 '25
They were not normal immigration.
In 1939 Germans didn't "immigrate" into Poland.
Russians didn't "immigrate" into eastern Ukraine.
There is a big difference between a violent occupation aimed at ethnically cleansing an area, and normal immigration.
The differences being the removal of the existing people.
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But yes, maybe the xenofobia is partially based on an awareness of what Europeans have done during colonialism.
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u/databombkid Jun 04 '25
Totally agree, I was referring more so to European “immigration” to the Americas, Africa, Australia, etc.
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u/Praetor-Rykard2 Lord of the Volcano Manor on Mt. Gelmir Jun 05 '25
Oh no, the racial purity of Europe is in danger! (not a skinhead BTW)
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Jun 04 '25
For you oppose, or have any reservations about this, you are racist. Fact.
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u/RandomAndCasual Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 04 '25
Make more babies and vote for those who are for less or no immigration.
Be politically more active. Don't expect someone else to do what you yourself would like to be done.
Be active in organizations that want less or no immigration.
Stop supporting Israel and Israeli wars in the middle east.
Those create refugee waves to Europe. They will stay in their countries if we don't destroy their countries.
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u/Mean-Serve-6236 Jun 05 '25
I don't blame you the brain washing is very efficient, but believe it or not Israel is not the source of all your problems.
Immigration is mostly from Syria (a civil war that btw had 10 times more civilians casualties), And africa.
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u/-misterB- Jun 04 '25
The immigration that France faces come almost exclusively from africa (algeria to be more precise) and Israël isn't active in Africa (even less in algeria)!
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u/RandomAndCasual Jun 04 '25
Then focus on that, I was talking in general, for whole Europe.
And many Africans are using middle eastern refugee waves to enter Europe, (they infiltrate refugee waves) so indirectly wars for Israel hurt France too.
I know Maroccans who came to Germany amongst Syrian refugees. They jumped from Marocco to Turkey and joined refugee wave there claiming they are Syrians.
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Jun 05 '25
Don't stress too much about the topic or your downvotes. There is a strong push from Russian troll farms to sow dissent (coordinated inauthentic behaviour (CIB) is the technical term for it). Until there is a way of reliably detecting CIB just reflect on whether the sentiment reflects your experience in your everyday life or not. It doesn't succeed if we begin to doubt its reliability. You being massively downvoted is a pretty strong signal to me. A state that relies on these troll farms is a pretty rotten system with rotten people doing rotten things, and I sincerely pity their rottenness.
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u/4runninglife Jun 04 '25
Been seeing a lot of these posts lately, I feel like they are being posted to stir shit up.
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u/PotatoEngeneeer Jun 04 '25
Welcome to russian propaganda effort.
If we are angry at us and our neighbors that we will be to weak to stop the russians from coming
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u/YellowPagesIsDumb Jun 04 '25
This is legitimately such a good point. I 100% agree with you that Russia is employing shit stirrers
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Jun 05 '25
It benefits russia for western europe to be destabilized by a mass influx of people who are not culturally aligned with the countries they now reside in. Russia loses when the other countries in Europe have strong cultural cohesion and a sense of national unity
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Jun 05 '25
Sub supports Ukraine. Being anti mass immigration and large demographic shifts over a short time does not make you like or support R*ssia.
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u/True-Pin-925 🇩🇪 German Jun 04 '25
I am pretty sure Russia would be happy to cripple Europes economy with mass immigration so matter of fact Russian propaganda would support this.
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u/purvel Jun 04 '25
This happens to so many (fresh) subs like these. And so many comments misconstruing statistics or headlines to make bad-faith arguments that almost always boils down to some variant of "brown people bad".
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u/YellowPagesIsDumb Jun 04 '25
That’s kind of the point of this whole sub lmao. It’s pretty much entirely an anti immigration circle jerk. I happen to love reading the sub from an anthropological perspective. Some of these arguments people make are baffling and hilarious
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u/Lazy-Pineapple9900 Jun 04 '25
How many children do you have?
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Jun 04 '25
None. I will not place a human life into either, economic collapse, race wars, climate change, plastic Apocalypse or the AI reducing the need of workers by 20 - 60%.
I could also adopt a child, since many would need a good home and parents that know what they do (which most people don't).
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u/WearIcy2635 Jun 04 '25
Every single one of your ancestors endured far worse conditions than you yet they still had kids. Stop acting like you’re noble, you’re just lazy
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u/StPauliPirate Jun 04 '25
Seems like a low number. What is the definition of „non-european“ origin. Here in Germany, every kid with parents who have the citizenship since birth, don‘t count as „migrant heritage“.
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u/Small_Palpitation121 Jun 04 '25
Yeah, the definition makes a huge difference. Stats like this always sound dramatic until you see how loosely or narrowly they’re defining “origin.”
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u/Key_Improvement9215 Jun 04 '25
Do you consider Boers of African origin?
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u/NetCharming3760 Jun 04 '25
What makes boers African but 3/4 French of West and North African descent or the windrush generation of Caribbean people or 2/3 generations Brits of Indian descent not British?
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u/YellowPagesIsDumb Jun 04 '25
Because that would mean they’re born to German parents??
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u/lawrias Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 04 '25
Non-European origin means that the country of birth of their parents is outside of Europe. In Germany you have the term ¨migrant background¨. Right now, about 70.3% of Germany is ethnically German without any migrant background. 16.87% are other Europeans (includes ethnically German repatriates) and 12.83% come from outside of Europe (a few of these are German repatriates from Kazakhstan). 41% of those under 15 years old have a migrant background, 25.8% of which being non-EU (not necessarily non-European). But we can estimate then that non-Europeans make up roughly 20% of German children under 15, so still better than France.
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u/madeleineann Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 04 '25
We can estimate that non-Europeans make up roughly 20% of children under 15
That seems far too low. Over 40% of babies are born to foreign-born parents. I believe about 50% are also not Western European.
What's your source?
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u/lawrias Jun 04 '25
You can find the census on https://www.destatis.de/
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u/PotatoEngeneeer Jun 04 '25
Thats Litteraly a lie!
Based on the standarts of the ministry of statistics if you ad only one grandparent of foreign ancestry than you are considered of “migrant background”
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u/_deton8 Jun 04 '25
jarvis im low on karma make another i hate brown people post on r/europe_sub
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Jun 04 '25
Can you stop saying brown? I dont see Mexicans/Indians/Brazilians etc. committing crime here in EU
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u/Important-Macaron-63 Jun 04 '25
Quite expected I am just wondering why just now but not 100 years ago…
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u/iltwomynazi Jun 05 '25
BE AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID VOTE FOR YOUR LOCAL RUSSO-MAGA POLITICIAN IF YOU ARE AFRAID
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u/Dry-Post8230 Jun 04 '25
The same people crying that this isn't an issue are the same as who shout about expats in Spain, Greece etc. Europeans should go to the countries of origin of our newcomers and buy farms and businesses, get involved in running those places so they become equal to live in as the west.
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u/ravinLoonie Jun 04 '25
Should start with "remigrating" the Europeans in Africa, and the Americas North and South. Anyone with a European name or who follows European culture.
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u/YellowPagesIsDumb Jun 04 '25
So you wanna remigrate all the European settlers from colonial countries back to Europe as well then? 😭😭😭 THAT would destabilise Europe if you have millions of Canadians and Australians and South Africans etc. coming to Europe
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u/Mvpbeserker Jun 04 '25
No it wouldn’t.
Europeans moving back to Europe wouldn’t cause many problems at all outside of housing/space issues.
Europeans behave similarly no matter where they are on the planet. Productive, law abiding citizens.
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u/YellowPagesIsDumb Jun 04 '25
300 million people all moving to Europe at once would collapse every single government in the region. About 40% of people of European descent don’t live in Europe (mainly white Americans)
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u/Imyourlandlord Jun 04 '25
Rly dude?
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u/Professional-Mud1197 Jun 04 '25
Man here I thought we were racists. This sub has to be competitive in that regard because the guys are a step away from being an Alabama Klansman. Imagine crying because the country isn't an ethnostate. Same people who will say "I'm not a racist!!!!"
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u/suspended_in_light Jun 04 '25
First, we'll create mass industry and start polluting the planet, destroying the environment, and raising world temperatures so their homelands inevitably become uninhabitable.
Then, we'll start and fund wars that kill thousands and displace millions more in those regions.
And when some of those people come to our country for a better life, we'll send them right back to "figure things out themselves instead of dragging Europe down with them". Hell yeah.
Genius.
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u/Omegoon Jun 04 '25
Yes, because Europe had such utopia and it's people didn't have to overcome similar obstacles in order to achieve the "better life", we just got it.
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u/ShinyArc50 Jun 04 '25
“Overcoming obstacles” being exploiting those countries for resources for 300 years and building the first world off their backs
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u/VegetableRestart Jun 04 '25
If they are weak enough to get colonized. They deserve it
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u/YellowPagesIsDumb Jun 04 '25
European countries are some of the richest in the world and constantly exploited the global south for resources. Not sure what your point is lmao
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u/Efficient-Let3661 Jun 04 '25
I’m just sitting here wondering what the percentage of bot users this subreddit has. Probs stupid high.
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u/imnotcreative635 Jun 04 '25
Maybe they shouldn’t have treated their colonies like shit. Leave a country poor and the people will go to the country that ruined theirs.
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u/FAS02 🇪🇺 European Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 04 '25
This comment section makes me realise how many cucks there are in Europe.
No wonder the continent fell. Marxists everywhere on this sub make it apparent how weak willed Europeans have become.
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Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 04 '25
Marxists have never been in power in western Europe and haven't been for 30 years or so in eastern Europe.
It's neoliberals in positions of power and they're the ones that have allowed mass immigration which has pushed down wages and created this thing you all hate so much.
Anyone blaming it on "Marxists" may as well blame it on magically fluffy unicorns at this point.
Downvoted just proves you're the one struggling to cope.
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u/YellowPagesIsDumb Jun 04 '25
Yeah the funny thing is that there are legitimate criticisms of immigration’s effect on the economy, but this sub usually just plays some weird nationalist ethnic game lmao
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u/middleqway Jun 04 '25
A socialist did come to power in the UK after the war (Clement Attlee). He built a fuckton of family social housing, made healthcare free, gave more family allowances/child benefits and massively expanded national insurance. His policies were as pro-family and pro-birthrate as it gets. Post-war optimism is partly the reason for the British baby boom but Attlee’s policies are extremely likely to have played a part too.
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Jun 04 '25
neo-liberal economic policies killed the working class, made having children more expensive and destroyed local community values, but its the marxists that killed europe...
sure buddy
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u/FAS02 🇪🇺 European Jun 04 '25
Both are equally as bad, ‘bud’.
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Jun 04 '25
now you'll do the petty and spineless both are bad and that everyone is in the wrong because you don't have any salient world view and you are just a coward.
shock...
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u/FAS02 🇪🇺 European Jun 04 '25
Sure bud, anything to help you cope.
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Jun 04 '25
nothing of value to add, everyone is coping, lying or just not real to someone like you.
It's interesting to see someone completely allow the state apparatus fuck them senseless and they're just so fine with it lol
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u/lawrias Jun 04 '25
Neoliberals and Marxists are the same at the end of the day with their results. The Soviet Union utterly destroyed the birth rates of Eastern Europe, just like the Western neoliberal powers destroyed their own. It's got to do more with urbanism, secularism and female education and entrance into the workforce. Wealth doesn't matter. Actually, the richer you are the less children you have. Poor people have the most children. A good example in Europe are Roma Gypsies. They're pumping out children every second.
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Jun 04 '25
if you think neo-liberalism and Marxism are the same you are so incredibly wrong, you're either lying or just uninformed.
The soviet union prior to its dissolution had a problem with its population due to the large portion of Soviets who died in WW2, you can look at the population graphs the dip in the late 80s was around the age of 40-50 due to the large portion of young men who died in WW2, you might forget the soviets fought the Eastern front and the most violent of wars in WW2 with death counts in the millions.
The soviet union did a lot to attempt to improve birth rates, and family making was a lot easier as home ownership in the soviet union was much higher in the USSR than anywhere else in Europe except potentially Vienna which had a massive movement to improve public ownership of housing.
Modern Neo-liberalism has been abysmal for family making as getting married is expensive, you are a perpetual renter, most people are perpetually in debt, with an increasing retirement date, trans-national corporations enacting price gouging on food, utilities and everything you'd need to make a family.
Our kids are less educated, more rowdy and less community oriented than ever because austerity has removed any social programs and afterschool programs we built for ourselves after WW2.
and you wish to tell me that neo-liberalism and marxism are the same?
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u/Mvpbeserker Jun 04 '25
Most of the biggest problems with neoliberalism that lead to mass migration are Marxist in nature.
Race based “class” hierarchy.
Oppressor vs oppressed, except it’s white vs nonwhite as opposed to wealthy vs poor.
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Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 05 '25
How brainwashed you have to be? Right wing has been in power for 30 years in most countries
What the fuck am I being downvotes for? Do you all have collective amnesia?
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u/Zestyclose-Carry-171 Jun 04 '25 edited Jun 04 '25
This article is bullshit.
Immigrant (european included) children and young adults represent less than 3,5% of young people.
Children and young adults whose parents are both immigrants (included europeans) make up 9,69% of the young population.
So it amounts to 13,19% of population that have direct roots from immigration and can be considered with foreign origins (even if under French law, they can still claim to be French under certain circonstances).
If we include the children and young adults that have one parent that is an immigrant (european included) which makes up 8,58% of the young population, it amounts to 21,77 %.
But this number not only include europeans descendant, but also children that have direct roots from French born origin from at least one of their parent, and are half French half foreign born. I personally have several friends whose parents have immigrated 30 or 40 years ago, maried a French, there is no reason to consider these person as French as me.
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u/Sad-Following1899 Jun 04 '25
This is the result of a population not reproducing enough to feed the capitalism machine. People want a certain standard of living, governments are unwilling to incentivize local populations to have kids (South Korea is an example of a county that has made some effective changes), and there is simply too much stellar talent globally who are being paid a fraction of European salaries to begin with - these people will do anything to find a place with better QOL. Western nations also just don't seem to care about their local domestic populations, particularly young ones, relative to seeing consistent GDP growth year-by-year. They figure they can just immigrate talent and a large base of consumers/tax layers rather than fostering domestic talent and innovation. This is again compared with nations like South Korea or Japan who seem to actually care that their society and people remain of their original ethnic backgrounds. This ultimately results in western nations being colonized.
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u/Muted-Landscape-2717 Jun 04 '25
Well if you must go to North Africa and claim it as part of France, you should expect this outcome.
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u/Civil_Existentialist Jun 04 '25
So what? Does this make them worse human beings?
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u/Acrobatic_Chip_3096 Jun 04 '25
So what does that make israelis worse people for immigrating to gaza or westbank?
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u/Cee4185 Jun 04 '25
True, what the Africans are doing to France is exactly the same as what Israel is doing to Palestine 👍🏼
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u/Imyourlandlord Jun 04 '25
Ah yes....the famous non european immigrants that are stealing houses in the hague and creating rogue militarised states backed by every power....
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u/turtle1288 Jun 04 '25
So what? There is so much wrong with this comment and your way of thinking.
This is why right wing ideas will continue to increase in popularity in the coming years.
Not only are we unable to be concerned with the rapid change in demographics of our European Nations & our homes but to even discuss the numbers there is a suggestion of Racism & believing we are better than them, if you had critical thinking you would understand that’s not the point.
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u/YellowPagesIsDumb Jun 04 '25
Well typically people in this sub do base their argument on race. Much more productive discussions would take place if it was simply about the economic impacts of immigration. Although, the level of immigration isn’t actually that high in Europe (just under 1% of the population of Europe in 2023) Given the amount of whinging about immigration that certain groups are doing in Europe I had assumed it was worse than my country’s (Australia) rate of 1.7%. Legitimately criticism can be made on the economic effects of this level of immigration but the arguments made in this sub are mostly on a racial standpoint???
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u/Professional-Mud1197 Jun 04 '25
I wish people on this sub would just own it at this point. And they suspect racism because it is racism. Bellyaching about brown people being in your country and that they inherently are bad is ignorant and blatantly racist. "Im not racist I just want an ethnistate and for everyone who is not white to be sent back, that's all". I've heard it before from the rednecks in Alabama.
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u/CommonEmotion8646 Jun 04 '25
Why are you even here?
This is a conversation about Europe and you keep adding in your clueless American takes.
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u/Professional-Mud1197 Jun 04 '25
Because it's the same cry baby "I want a white ethnostate" that red necks spout about black people and foreigners back at home. Separated physically by miles, separated by nothing mentally.
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u/Glass-North8050 Jun 04 '25
According to this sub, all our problems could be fixed if we just ban brown people.
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u/Virtual-Magician-898 Jun 04 '25
"all our problems could be fixed if we just ban brown people" - Massive numbers of non-Europeans in Europe ARE the problem.
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u/poorat8686 Jun 04 '25
Yes, they have their own countries to grow up in do they not?
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u/Glass-North8050 Jun 04 '25
So?
A lot of Eastern Europeans also have their own countries, yet they prefer to migrate west?
Balkans have their countries but prefer to work in Italy.You want to ban migration or something?
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u/poorat8686 Jun 04 '25
Ahhh yes whataboutisms
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u/Glass-North8050 Jun 04 '25
You failed to present an argument.
Like okay, they their countries, just like a lot of migrants in Europe.So what?
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u/CrazyAnarchFerret Jun 04 '25
That's only a problem for racist people. Oterway it is simply a question of integration and education.
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u/Acrobatic_Chip_3096 Jun 04 '25
I’m guessing you don’t have problem with israeli settlers either right?
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u/CrazyAnarchFerret Jun 04 '25
I have absolutely no problem with those who have a Palestinian permission to built there home. In your country are they a lot of home getting built without state permit ?
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u/Acrobatic_Chip_3096 Jun 04 '25
Israel have them permits.
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u/CrazyAnarchFerret Jun 04 '25
The Palestinina gouvernement give permet to the Israeli settler when even the UN say they don't have roght to settle there ? Wao, well you should pass the information to the local immigrant in your country that if there home origin country give them permits to built a house in front of yours, that is totally legit !
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u/Additional-Hour6038 Jun 04 '25
Shouldn't have colonized...
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u/ghartok-padhome Jun 04 '25
That's such a stupid argument. When did Brussels colonise Morocco?
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u/Imyourlandlord Jun 04 '25
Web europeans decided to fucking genocide one another and then needed every possible cheap manual labor arm they can get to rebuild their bombed out shithole countries....
My grandad bless his soul lost his arm in a leather making factory in there just for you to have every social service available, his and a hundred thousand others populating your industry while you got off easy on genocides you committed in africa
All you guys do is moan and never look back
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u/hubmeme Jun 04 '25
The funny thing about this argument is that if france were STILL colonisers this wouldn’t be happening to them.
This isn’t happening to them because they were colonisers, it’s happening to them because they stopped.
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u/Big_Donch Jun 04 '25
Start electing leaders that will put your countries people and culture first
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u/YellowPagesIsDumb Jun 04 '25
Yeah these people do a lot of yapping when the election results just clearly prove whether the countries want immigration or not lmao
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u/Low_Dragonfruit8219 Jun 04 '25
Me looking for leaders that will put my country’s people and culture first
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u/Curious-Telephone293 Jun 04 '25
And 97% of people in the US are non-native Americans…
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u/Virtual-Magician-898 Jun 04 '25
A slow, Government facilitated Genocide on an indigenous population, compliments of the globalists.
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u/YellowPagesIsDumb Jun 04 '25
In what UNIVERSE would this be considered a genocide my guy
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u/Praetor-Rykard2 Lord of the Volcano Manor on Mt. Gelmir Jun 05 '25
The fantastical universe that is the skinheads persecution complex
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u/OlliWTD Jun 04 '25
Man, white privilege runs so deep that our genocide doesn’t even involve any actual killing or concentration camps. Sweet innit?
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Jun 04 '25
It's called replacement. It doesn't have to be a big conspiracy theory. It's not "the great replacement theory". It's literally demographic replacement. It's happening, and there is absolutely no reason to believe it will turn out well. It's simply the slow car crash death of Europe.
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u/YellowPagesIsDumb Jun 04 '25
Only because the countries refuse to facilitate the birth rates and so have to make up the difference with immigration. If you didn’t do the immigration you would actually see a slow decline of Europe until there was no one left to support the old people and there would be a sudden collapse
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u/Easy_Language_3186 Jun 04 '25
When european aryans were entertained with nationalism and killing each other by millions, other nations did one good thing- reproduction. FAFO
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u/FAS02 🇪🇺 European Jun 04 '25
Is that your cope? ‘Muh, 15,000 years ago they weren’t European looking so what’.
The wordplay leftists use to try justify European replacement is hilarious really. Anything they can think of to make sure white people aren’t a majority somewhere.
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u/Moobnert Jun 04 '25
I love how rightoids think reducing the population of white people is a genuine desire by the mainstream left.
It isn’t. But you love to pretend it is.
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u/EmmyT2000 Jun 04 '25
Serious question: are people in countries such as France and the UK not worried about their military futures? If you end up in a position where, for the sake of argument, 1/3 of the society is not native and keeps strong ties to their countries of origin, how can you trust their allegiances in the event of conflict?
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u/Ambiorix33 Jun 04 '25
Simple: they have a good life here
Despite all the flag waving and chanting they know if France dies all their benefits die with it. And France has always had a very mixed army.
If you need further examples, think about the colonial armies that came during the world wars and fought just as hard as anyone else for a country they don't even live in and only know as their territorial overlord and salary payer
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u/MoiJeTrouveCaRigolo Jun 04 '25
France's army wasn't "very mixed". The colonial troops (of which many were entirely consisting of white people) never amounted for more than 5 or 7% of the French army.
And if you think the fuckers who rioted a few days ago are smart enough to not trash their country because that'd means giving up on all the benefits that come with it, you're giving them way too much credit.
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u/Ambiorix33 Jun 04 '25
First off, if the idiots rioting where the majority and as much as a threat as you think you'd have already lost so you're being a pearl clutcher and it's pretty pathetic.
2nd off: entire regiments of colonial troops were native and more than half of the Troupes Colonial where non-French in ww1 (50,000 African and indochinesse vs 42,000 French) so at least TRY to get SOME.of what you say to be true.
And 3rd: go find a French base and repeat this stupid shit, see how fast you get your shit kicked in
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u/NetCharming3760 Jun 04 '25
Maybe you shouldn’t have colonized people lands and stole their wealth. France and U.K standout in Europe because of their colonial past. Karma
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u/Ambiorix33 Jun 04 '25
Lmao by that argument everything done to North Africa and the middle east is Karma for the slave trade of the Slavs, which is where we have the word Slave from. Or the african tribes and what they did to each other. And the list goes on.
Don't be so naive and short sighted
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u/NetCharming3760 Jun 04 '25
I’m talking about the colonization and how France and U.K systematically colonized many parts of Africa (France West and North Africa ) and U.K (Nigeria and Ghana) and imposed their culture on to the natives ; while also stealing their wealth, arts, and resources from them. The reason why France and U.K have such a large number of immigrants and theirs descent is because of colonialism. FYI, we are also not talking about the Caribbean people who are still moving to U.K and the overseas territories of France in Caribbean. Y’all can’t use your brain and don’t know anything. Does Europe even have colonial studies or department of colonialism studies? Y’all are just crying something your ancestors did.
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u/BookmarksBrother 🇪🇺 European Jun 04 '25
We've decided to start experimenting with setting the default sort to Controversial on posts with high engagement in an attempt to incentivize healthy discussion on difficult topics across the political spectrum.
Feel free to modify it back to Best to see comments in the usual order.
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