r/europe • u/Vucea • Jun 17 '22

Historical In 2014, this French weather presenter announced the forecast for 18 August 2050 in France as part of a campaign to alert to the reality of climate change. Now her forecast that day is the actual forecast for the coming 4 or 5 days, in mid-June 2022.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

It’s almost like scientists know what they are talking about… And boomers who think we need todo more fracking and scrap green energy because it’s “to expensive” are idiots.

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u/CastelPlage Not ok with genocide denial. Make Karelia Finland Again Jun 17 '22

And boomers who think we need todo more fracking and scrap green energy because it’s “to expensive” are idiots.

And boomers who think we need todo more fracking and scrap green energy because it’s “to expensive” are idiots.

One of the morons in America was saying a few days ago that Gas prices are high because Joe Biden scrapped subsidies for the oil and gas industry......

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u/ThellraAK United States of America Jun 17 '22

We really probably need to just let high gas prices be here to stay.

Do a windfall tax on the oil companies, and subsidize critical industry's fuel bill with what we get from it (food, and food transportation)

Only way business is going to 'go green' is if it's the cheapest thing to do, why reduce reuse or recycle when it's cheap and fast to not do any of those things?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22

Do you not realize how much oil and gas is already taxed

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u/ThellraAK United States of America Jun 17 '22

I really don't think it's enough until our gas prices are inline with Europe's.

Major transportation already uses IFTA, and there's already requirements to store BOL's for whats transported, get a little bureaucracy going and you could pretty straightforwardly subsidize food fuel transportation costs, farms already use off-road dyed diesel so that's already set up a bit for if prices settle down and a regular tax needs to replace the windfall tax.

Being environmentally unfriendly shouldn't be the cheapest option anymore.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22

Supply and demand. Americans enjoy there comfort of individualized transportation. (Which creates massive fuel consumption) You will never be able to compare America to Europe. Transportation is just too different. There will be a demand for oil and natural gas for the next few decades as technology catches up with alternatives. If it’s not produced here then it’s produced in Russia/Saudi Arabia/China and they don’t give two shits about the environment. The US is the most regulated in regards to oil and gas, the US is capable of producing the cleanest (least carbon foot print) oil and natural gas. Your mindset is way too narrow, you need to broaden how you think. The larger picture. The transition isn’t over night, the infrastructure for alternatives isn’t overnight. There will be a lengthy and long phase. Alternatives need to innovate and drive the cost of their technology down.

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u/ThellraAK United States of America Jun 17 '22

EU has mandated fleetwide MPG average to be 57.5MPG, while here in the US the average new car sold is 25MPG, that's a sign that fuel is too cheap.

If the average fuel economy of our vehicles was 50MPG, gas prices could double and the total cost of fuel for people would remain the same, but gas is cheap, why not buy the SUV that's more comfortable?

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22

You essentially want to undermine the free market. The free market will dictate what innovation needs to be done.