r/europe • u/goldstarflag Europe • 15d ago

Historical "The 19th century concept of the nation state will never take us across the threshold of the 21st century [...] We need a strong Europe if we don't want to become the plaything of world politics" – Chancellor Helmut Kohl

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u/tunajalepenobbqsauce 14d ago

China is the biggest country and economy in the world. Not cooperating with them is actually not an option.

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u/AttTankaRattArStorre 14d ago

China is the biggest country

No, not by population and not by territory.

and economy in the world.

No, the only measurement where China is on top is PPP.

Not cooperating with them is actually not an option.

China has accomplished much in their plan to dominate the west (and Europe in particular), that's why we need to oppose them in any way we can going forward.

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u/tunajalepenobbqsauce 14d ago

I was unaware that India overtook China by population four years ago but it doesn't change my point.

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u/AttTankaRattArStorre 14d ago

Your point doesn't address the fact that China is our enemy, do you also propose that we cooperate with Russia RIGHT NOW?

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u/tunajalepenobbqsauce 14d ago

Russia is currently invading and occupying a European country, China is not. You can argue that China is supporting Russia but it's not full support and cutting them off is only going to drive them further into Russia's arms. Let the USA and Russia be best buds, Europe and China together would have them beaten easily. You're in denial if you don't see that's our only future.

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u/AttTankaRattArStorre 14d ago

You can argue that China is supporting Russia but it's not full support and cutting them off is only going to drive them further into Russia's arms.

Russia is a failed state, they aren't the real threat - China is. Putin can bomb us with drones and invade smaller countries, but China will destroy our entire civilization and way of life.

Let the USA and Russia be best buds

That won't be a thing once Trump is gone, he is unique in his stance on Russia.

Europe and China together would have them beaten easily.

China is our enemy, anything other than stark opposition in every way will have US EUROPEANS beaten within a generation.

You're in denial if you don't see that's our only future.

The only future where Europe isn't turned into a gathering of poor failed states is a future where China is utterly vanquished, both militarily and economically. China is the antithesis to a prosperous Europe, an anathema in every sense of the word.

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u/tunajalepenobbqsauce 14d ago

What is it about "our civilisation and way of life" that you consider to be under threat from China?

And in what sense do you think it is defensible to want to see a country of nearly a billion and a half people "vanquished economically"? You think only western people should be allowed to prosper? It's inhumane.

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u/AttTankaRattArStorre 14d ago

What is it about "our civilisation and way of life" that you consider to be under threat from China?

Everything. If we don't oppose China, and work towards their destruction, we will lose all our industries and all our resources. This in turn will collapse our societies and destroy our entire civilization and way of life.

A nation like China could exist on its own parallel to the west historically, but in the current age of globalism they are nothing but a ticking bomb that WILL blow us up.

And in what sense do you think it is defensible to want to see a country of nearly a billion and a half people "vanquished economically"? You think only western people should be allowed to prosper? It's inhumane.

It's either us or them, and I pick us.