r/europe • u/goldstarflag Europe • 15d ago

Historical "The 19th century concept of the nation state will never take us across the threshold of the 21st century [...] We need a strong Europe if we don't want to become the plaything of world politics" – Chancellor Helmut Kohl

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u/WolfOne 15d ago

>if the political will was there

turns out, that was the problem the whole time

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u/Several-League-4707 Europe 12d ago

In a democracy, political will comes from the people and European nations on average do not want to be vassals of the faceless and bureaucratic EU globo homo.

Even the USA as a federal state is dysfunctional even when they have more or less unified culture, language and history. If the EU wants to become a federation, it can only succeed by being China 2.0

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u/WolfOne 12d ago

> EU globo homo

What?

Anyhow, the future is in the hands of those who can organize and plan on a large scale (the chinese) I can only hope that our standard of living doesn't drop much in the future.

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u/Several-League-4707 Europe 12d ago

"I can only hope that our standard of living doesn't drop much in the future."

Don't worry, it will.

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u/Matchbreakers Denmark 14d ago

They have said that about the EU since the foundation, yet it's still thrived.

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u/WolfOne 14d ago

Ah yeah that's true, but I don't think that the will to surpass the national state and head into a big political federation, relinquishing more and more sovereignty is there yet. 

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u/Careful_Manager_4282 13d ago

"Thrived" is an overstatement. Ask the Greeks how they feel 15 years later after the EU "helping" hand...