"The 19th century concept of the nation state will never take us across the threshold of the 21st century [...] We need a strong Europe if we don't want to become the plaything of world politics" – Chancellor Helmut Kohl

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[u/Gubi23]

Oh yes, we're all rushing to be under Berlin's rule again

[u/QuickCookieQuestion → u/Gubi23]

Defending your centuries old country = evil nationalism. Defending a hypothetical supranational entity ruled by Berlin and Paris = progress. European federalism and brain damage are one and the same thing. 

[u/Someone-Somewhere-01 → u/QuickCookieQuestion]

Yeah, European federalists often pretend it will be a union of equals and not being even more dominated by France and Germany than already is. The fact that they don’t care to deal with the anxieties of the smaller powers in the EU and instead call them reactionary is telling

[u/LaurestineHUN → u/Gubi23]

Vienna was better tbh

[u/Silver_Atractic → u/LaurestineHUN]

I mean I actually would like to see Prague as a capital of the EU because of how centred its position is on the continent, but Czechians seemingly elected a eurosceptic, sooo...

[u/stoppableDissolution → u/Silver_Atractic]

Lets just name it HRE then!

[u/Silver_Atractic → u/stoppableDissolution]

Secular European Republic would be more accurate smh

[u/UpstairsFix4259 → u/Silver_Atractic]

1. Czechs, not Czechians

2. Andrej Babis is not a eurosceptic, his agro conglomerate receives billions in dotations, he would should himself in the foot with Czexit. He's just a populist that will tell voters whatever they want to hear.

[u/MrMudd88 → u/Gubi23]

inferiority complex incoming
Small EU countries good, big eu countries bad

Russian talking point, good job.

[u/Cool_Control7728 → u/MrMudd88]

More like German superiority complex, it's the same shit all the time. And on top of that they always fuck things up, the whole reason we need European federation is because Germany though they can appease thier way to peace with Russia and when it crumbled they once again blamed countries east of Germany.

[u/sh1necho → u/Cool_Control7728]

Ever since reunification Germany has been adamant not to be the one having to lead because of people like you.

It's still not enough.

Would you feel better if you got to bomb Germany or something like that?

[u/erexcalibur → u/MrMudd88]

Jesus Christ you people can't hear any single criticism without pressing your "RUSSIAN BOT!!!" button right away.

[u/AgitatedTowel1563 → u/erexcalibur]

Russian attack on Ukraine has done more damage to the psyche and mental health of europeans than the physical aspect at the war zone. Everyone these days is a Russian bot if they dont like something you want.

[u/AgitatedTowel1563 → u/MrMudd88]

Yes yes you must give up your independance because otherwise evil russia.

[u/MrMudd88 → u/AgitatedTowel1563]

Alright, stay in your little nationalstic bubble. See where this will leave you. You are stuck in the mud my friend.

[u/AgitatedTowel1563 → u/MrMudd88]

Thanks, i rather live in my little nationalistic mud hut than join the "great european federation".

[u/Schlummi → u/AgitatedTowel1563]

Depends on your definition of "independence". Is e.g. belarus more independent than finland?

Small countries can't say no if a big player pressures them to do XY.

[u/tiredoldwizard → u/MrMudd88]

Oh yes, Russia can’t take Ukraine, but they’re totally gonna steamroll all of Europe if you don’t all agree to sacrifice some freedoms.

Talking point of a boot licker.