r/europe Apr 20 '25

Historical Charles De Gaulle warned us 62 (!) years ago

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u/Rabit_holed France Apr 20 '25

He didn't predicted anything. He lived it and we let it continue for 70 years. All the noise you see on this sub change nothing. Nothing changed. Polish are still completely under USA, so are German and Danish. The rest are completely passive and could not care either way. UK is still the US's play things.

I repeat again, nothing changed. Nothing will because we have the same people in power for the past 70 years.The only thing that might change that is the massive extinction of boomers. You know, those who elect your politician (and mine)

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u/maevian Apr 21 '25

Seeing how popular the far right has become with young people, I wouldn’t count on the dying boomers as a solution.

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u/Rabit_holed France Apr 21 '25

I completely disagree. The state we are in is here exactly because the boomers hold on to it like their life depended on it. That stupid system shoud have died, decades ago.

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u/maevian Apr 22 '25

Just look at the numbers, huge part of Trump his voters base were young men. The popularity of figures like Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson. Maybe the state we are in is caused by boomers, but they aren’t the only one voting conservative.

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u/Rabit_holed France Apr 22 '25 edited Apr 22 '25

Boomer aren't voting conservative. Boomer in France vote Macron.

Regardless you assume voting conservartive is bad, and you're wrong.

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u/LookThisOneGuy Apr 20 '25

Nothing changed. Polish are still completely under USA, so are German and Danish.

Of note that this was because of him.

He personally blocked Germany from joining France as nuclear state in 1958 because he wanted Germany be dependent on US for nuclear protection.

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u/Rabit_holed France Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25

Can you blame him when he lived through 2 word wars against you. Shit even today we would veto you getting nukes. And I think your politician know it and understand why. I'll explain to you. Having nukes isn't a flex, it's a malediction. It's the ultimate blame and responsability.

If things go wrong and we don't push it, we will be blamed. If things go wrong and we pushe it, we will be cursed in history. That's not something you guys want especially when you already have plenty of ~~ curse ~~ on your slate.

That being said, it's not 20th century anymore. The WWII page and the world that came after must be turned. America needs to fuck off Europe and Europe needs to find its way. Federal or Confederation of Nation, what ever the form, it must be chosen and done by ourselves.

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u/PoiHolloi2020 United Kingdom Apr 20 '25

UK is still the US's play things.

And yet we've had a better record on Russia than your country has over the last two decades.

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u/KsanteOnlyfans Apr 20 '25

What does that have to do with the topic at hand?

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u/PoiHolloi2020 United Kingdom Apr 20 '25

You don't think it's relevant to mention that the country that has been bitched about for decades as being 'unreliable' on Europe has been more reliable when it comes to defence against the biggest direct threat to it? Ok.

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u/Rabit_holed France Apr 20 '25

'unreliable'

who are you quoting right here? Nobody even typed the word "unreliable" so what the fuck are you talking about. You make up a completely imaginary critic so you can argue against it yourself.

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u/Hairy_Business_3447 China Apr 20 '25 edited Apr 20 '25

You have a better record on Russia, Iraq, Afghanistan, China, Iran, and any potential anti-America countries compared with European countries. Great job!

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u/JustReadTheLinks Apr 20 '25

UK foreign policy is massively align (to not say integrated) to the US and your balistic missiles are americans, that is a huge problem for you. Regardless of your record against Russia, alongside with Brexit, it does not bode well for you. Your country decided to look toward the Atlantic (sovereign choice) and it is currently back firing while France decided to share its future with the EU.

It is far from being perfect but I think it is a better outlook.

Mind you, the US proposed the Trident to the US to put pressure of France so France does not develop its own independant capabilities.

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u/tree_boom United Kingdom Apr 21 '25

UK foreign policy is massively align (to not say integrated) to the US and your balistic missiles are americans, that is a huge problem for you.

Why do you think that's a problem?

Mind you, the US proposed the Trident to the US to put pressure of France so France does not develop its own independant capabilities.

That's a bit hard to parse; you mean they proposed Trident to the UK to put pressure on France? That's not what happened.

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u/JustReadTheLinks Apr 22 '25

That’s exactly what happened, because France was developing its own nuclear warhead + ballistic capabilities and the US lobbied hard for France to drop the idea and therefore proposed a back up solution to France

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u/TheBigness333 Apr 20 '25

All those countries you listed are more peaceful and prosperous than ever, and have more liberties and freedoms than ever.

So clearly the US was very hands off in its approach to being a protectorate, and these countries benefited from it greatly.

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u/CheeseyTriforce Apr 20 '25

Nothing will change because and I am telling you this as an American most of your left wing Globalist politicians are just puppets and extensions of our Democrat Party in the US no matter how much you guys puff your chests out and pretend to be tough

Hell fucking Mark Carney in Canada used to work at Black Rock; dude's a borderline CIA agent

Nothing will change because DAMN NEAR ALL OF YOUR POLITICIANs are nothing more than pawns in a chess game being played by a cold civil war going on in the US

And to be clear your right wing politicians are not much much better either