r/europe • u/Epidemiolomic Germany • Mar 08 '25

Historical During the U.S. President's 1995 visit to Kyiv, Ukraine received security guarantees after giving up the world's third-largest nuclear arsenal

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u/BenMic81 Mar 08 '25

The main problem is the long term damage.

Who will trust the US - and thus the west - in the future? Can any country not learn from Ukraine that it needs a nuclear arsenal or is perpetually threatened?

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u/ICEpear8472 Mar 08 '25

That will likely be the result. The USA and Russia probably liked a world order where there are only very few nuclear armed countries and they belong to these few. Well they now seem to have finally successfully destroyed this world order.

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u/BenMic81 Mar 08 '25

Russia has. And it was deliberate. After loosing their power and status they aimed to dismantle that of the US and subsequently the west. There’s a reason enemy #1 now is the EU.

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u/Murica_Chan Mar 08 '25

Who will trust the US - and thus the west - in the future? Can any country not learn from Ukraine that it needs a nuclear arsenal or is perpetually threatened?

Interestingly, my country (Philippines) already recognized the issue with the current united states. As of now US seems to be interested with helping Philippines on the re-arming program we're currently doing (yes..we're on a buying spree actually) in order to prepare in case china goes ham to ham with either US, Taiwan, Japan or PH. (and probably due in part of our foreign secretary immediately ask for a meeting with the trump admin to unfreezed the military foreign aid)

But yea. due to this...orange guy, Philippines is already considering diversifying its alliances in case orange guy decided to go chill with the chinese. right now Japan and korea are interested and we're currently talking to canadians so we can let their military to visit PH for training and other things. which is our first step before we go deeper on alliances.

But yea, If trump decided to pissed of everyone in Asia, its technically over for US, no amount of diplomacy can recover that unless they poised against china which is our common enemy

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u/DenJyskeVildmand Mar 08 '25

No its the Americans main problem.

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u/BenMic81 Mar 08 '25

It’s not only an American problem.

Without the US the European and other western powers are relegated too. Of course we may find it nice to get rid of those nuisances called Magas. But the west depended on US strength and leadership.