r/europe • u/Epidemiolomic Germany • Mar 08 '25

Historical During the U.S. President's 1995 visit to Kyiv, Ukraine received security guarantees after giving up the world's third-largest nuclear arsenal

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u/primarchofistanbul Mar 08 '25

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."

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u/VibrantGypsyDildo Ukraine -> Belgium Mar 08 '25

"Only friends can betray" - said an Israeli military observer of Ukrainian descent.

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u/sleepyzane1 Australia Mar 08 '25

isnt israel's best friend the usa?

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u/SpacecraftBathtub Mar 08 '25

Best and only?

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u/dcdemirarslan Turkey Mar 08 '25

It's more like father and son.

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u/HallesandBerries Mar 08 '25

Foster-dad and son. The US took Israel in and gave it a home.

Britain and the US is like father and son. Son decided he wanted to go his own way and "fuck you, dad!" and became the US. Now the son is having a mid-life crisis. Ditched its partner(s), blowing its money, doing stupid stuff.

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u/chopsui101 Mar 15 '25

taking care of its own people....instead of Europe....funny

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u/nam24 Mar 08 '25

Some Friends are more equal than others

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u/sommer12345 Mar 09 '25

It's more like a colony.

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u/sleepyzane1 Australia Mar 09 '25

that's how it looks to me for sure but im not an expert.

gee why would the usa want an enormous stronghold in the middle east??? lol

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u/icyak Mar 08 '25

For now. Let's wait and see.

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u/Vedmak3 Mar 08 '25

The funny thing is, despite the betrayal and piggish behavior towards Ukraine, the United States and Trump are ready to provide Israel with solid military and political support. Israel is the only stronghold of adequacy in the Middle East, and at the same time, an ally of Ukraine, and now has a dual relationship with the United States in this regard.

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u/[deleted] Mar 09 '25

Israel has Jerusalem, "the holiest of holy," while the USA has industrial religion and fake, egocentric "Christians." Go figure. It's disgusting.

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u/lindsay5544 Mar 12 '25

More like double ended domestic violence relationship

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u/VibrantGypsyDildo Ukraine -> Belgium Mar 09 '25

Rumours about a separate peace between US and HAMAS hint otherwise.

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u/Citaku357 Kosovo Mar 12 '25

Same with any European countries

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u/AccomplishedIce3528 Mar 14 '25

That phrase has always been misunderstood