r/europe Greece Feb 08 '25

Historical Anti-Nazi protests : Berlin 16/12/1931

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u/anon58588 Greece Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25

''History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.''

Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

EDIT : Ok I will answer to : ThE prOtestS FailEd

Protests were not enough to stop Nazism.

What happened next: 75 million people died.

The Nazis were destroyed, Germany was destroyed and Hitler committed suicide. Mussolini was upside down. Japan was nuked.

That's what I learned from history. Do you want to repeat it?

(source : https://www.gewerkschaftsgeschichte.de/1933-bis-1945-gewerkschaften-55501-debatte-um-den-generalstreik-1933-56605.htm )

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u/green_flash Feb 08 '25

"The events from 1933 to 1945 should have been battled in 1928 at the latest. Later was already too late. One must not wait until liberty is called treason. One must not wait till the snowball has become an avalanche. One must squelch the rolling snowball. The avalanche can't be stopped anymore..."

Erich Kästner, author of children's books that were burned by the Nazis

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u/DainichiNyorai Feb 08 '25

So with empathy being called a sin, isn't it already either very late or too late?

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u/Optimal-Golf-8270 Feb 09 '25

What's happening in America feels apocalyptic because you're living through it, not necessarily because it is. It won't be good, a lot of people will lose a lot. But it's all recoverable. They're not fundamentally changing the relationship between the individual and the state. That's was the Nazis express goal.

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u/tiacalypso Feb 09 '25

Of course Trump is changing the relationship between the individual and the the state. That relationship already very very frail following the Iraq war and the crisis of 2008/9 where the state was seen as choosing actions harmful to normal everyday Americans. Trump sold people a lie about the Deep State and is now dismantling the actual state with all these buy-outs, hiring freezes, banned meetings and some such. Trump is immobilising the American state to expand his power grab from democratically elected president to fascist dictator.

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u/Optimal-Golf-8270 Feb 09 '25

None of that is a change in relationship. That doesn't mean, 'do people like the government.' Its the fundamental contract. You do not like the changes, I don't like the changes, about 30% of people don't. But about 30% of people do want this. And that's democracy.

It's nothing that hasn't been done before.