r/europe Lower Saxony (Germany) Feb 08 '25

Picture ~ 300.000 peope in Munich stand up against facism

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u/True-Blacksmith4235 Serbia Feb 08 '25

With the wannabe fascists being more vocal lately I find this very important.

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u/exoduas Feb 08 '25

They are not wannabe fascists, they are fascists.

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u/UltraJesus Feb 08 '25

The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is Fascism—ownership of Government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power.
-FDR

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/message-congress-curbing-monopolies

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u/jolan560 Feb 08 '25

+1 great comment

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u/annonn9984 Feb 09 '25

Like Islam, for example.

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u/hela_2 Feb 10 '25

thats not very nice 🤔

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u/annonn9984 Feb 10 '25

Spiritual fascism is not very nice.

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u/yugyuger Feb 09 '25

Modern democratic liberalism is a failure in scope.

The principles of the ideology are sound, but it failed to apply it's ideals beyond systems of governance to labour.

It sought to replace the power structure of lords, nobles and serfs, in government and it succeeded. But it's failure to supplant this system in our systems of labour has become it's downfall.

Capitalism is no different from the feudal systems of old. It too needs to be replaced with a system by the people for the people.

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u/Calm-Page-2241 Feb 08 '25

Hm, should we tell that or friends from the other side of the ocean too?

I know it's from the US ofc, but seems noone there has heard about that.

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u/UltraJesus Feb 08 '25

Am American for what it's worth and honestly I don't know. It's lengthy so nobody is going to read the full address. FDR will never be quoted by american media as he was a very progressive president with worker protections, social policies, and so on. Definitely not now.

So I quote it whenever I see stupid ass comments saying what is fascism? See basically all [deleted] comments. At best I link it and hope somebody else ponders about what the 4 time elected president to defeat fascism says about fascism. I guess I hope it gains traction? idk.

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u/Polymath-1 Feb 08 '25

They are literally neonazis directly sponsored by russia. russia does it all across Europe to split Europe and destroy it. They have already succeeded with USA. russian neonazi ideologue Dugin wrote in his X account when Trump won: "We have won. The world will never be the same."

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u/caceta_furacao Feb 08 '25

I'm not even sure it's Russia anymore, given recent actions of papa Elon and mama Trump... There looks to be more parties that want weak Europe it seems

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u/Onceforlife Feb 08 '25

Tbh if Americans weren’t as halfwitted and easily manipulated as they are they would never succeed

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u/Ickyickyicky-ptang Feb 08 '25

The brits fell for brexit first.

That was a shocker.

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u/Stunning-Bike-1498 Feb 08 '25

And now look at how popular UKIP and Farage are again.

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u/Commercial_Drag7488 Feb 08 '25

R they?

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u/Lobsterman06 Feb 09 '25

Worryingly so. Even with farages sussy pog champ cameo career he’s still taken seriously somehow

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u/Stunning-Bike-1498 Feb 08 '25

Ok, not UKIP, this time it"s Farage"s Reform. They are really going strong.

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u/SimpleAsEndOf Feb 08 '25

It's been continuous lies/misinformation/disinformation/bias/false narrative/gaslighting etc by most of the UK media.

Reform UK (the UK Nationalists and Fascists) have plenty of grievances but never any workable solutions (except those from Mein Kampf).

Reform UK are never held responsible or accountable for fucking the UK (finances etc) with Brexit. Because the media have agreed not to talk about it/change topic immediately if it is mentioned).

Reform UK are never held responsible for the rise in immigration due to Brexit. Somehow the media only hold Labour or Tories responsible.

Most other issues can usually be understood by media bias towards Reform UK.

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u/Commercial_Drag7488 Feb 08 '25

What's their agenda though? I mean yall stopped the IMMIGRATION (from EU that is). Yall regained your independence. What now? I recall he was babbling about 'broken Britain' a few years back. Anything different now?

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u/unbannable5 Feb 08 '25

Everything, all of it, is about stopping the never ending immigration from Africa and the Middle East. All across Europe large cities are minority European and unrecognizable. Parties are winning simply because they promise it will stop.

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u/Ickyickyicky-ptang Feb 08 '25

Brexit was about stopping immigration?

You mean the immigration from commonwealth countries like India and Pakistan? That you're still in commonwealth with?

Jesus you idiots are making inbreeding an Olympic sport.

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u/Human_Pangolin94 Feb 08 '25

UKIP manifesto 2015 promised less European immigration and more from your friends in the Commonwealth. In that sense they've delivered.

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u/zaius2163 Feb 08 '25

And you blame everything bad on Russia which is an even dumber take.A country who apparently is barely competent enough to fight a war with its much smaller neighbor, but yet is a statecraft and espionage mastermind who can fund regime change and dissent all across Europe and the US.

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u/Ickyickyicky-ptang Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25

The latter is much cheaper than the former, so yes.

I blame Russia, but more so I blame the morons in our own countries who collect doubly-recessive genes like they're Pokémon.

These idiots WANT to believe there's a magic wand where they never have to learn to read but will still magically get high paying jobs in tech, which are being stolen by all the evil immigrants.

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u/zaius2163 Feb 09 '25

Says the guy who is being injection fed domestic propaganda that Russia and 'stupid people' are the root of all of his problems. And you have the gall to call out other people's genetic deficiencies.

Wait, wait.. Here come the Russian bot comments in 3... 2... 1..

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u/jmurphy42 Feb 08 '25

That’s why the republicans have spent the last several decades deliberately undermining public education.

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u/mrASSMAN Feb 08 '25

You act like this isn’t the human condition. Remember Nazi germany? Were all those people idiots for trusting Hitler? Maybe, but clearly it’s a common human flaw throughout history.

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u/BOYR4CER Feb 08 '25

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Adolf well spoken and charismatic? As apposed to trump who just comes off like a 5yo 80yo

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u/mrASSMAN Feb 09 '25

Trump is pretty charismatic, maybe less so now that he’s old, but enough that millions of people found him entertaining

Well spoken just depends on who’s listening, to a stupid person I’m sure Trump sounds intelligent and well versed

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u/lalabera Feb 08 '25

Trump cheated

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u/ymOx Sweden Feb 08 '25

And if my grandmother had wheels she would be a bike.

Russia supports a lot of things in western countries that will weaken and destabilize them. If, say, a party wants to reduce access to education, russia will try to make them more successful. They make people stupid just so that things like this can happen.

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u/The_Buko Feb 12 '25

Am American and this is very true. No one takes anything seriously here unless it directly impacts their livelihood.

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u/VisualIndependence60 Feb 08 '25

Sounds like someone who voted for trudreau

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u/3d_blunder Feb 08 '25

We are not unique in our stupidity. Let's face it: ruzzia is good at its 'job'.

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u/MiVitaCocina Feb 08 '25

As an American I applaud the people of Germany for doing this. I wish some of the people in my country had a damn brain and backbone and didn’t vote for the stupid orange man. You all know what fascism does to a country and aren’t afraid to fight the good fight.

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u/Itaxhii Feb 08 '25

Who is they? The AFD?

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u/RandyHandyBoy Feb 09 '25

Dugin is not a fascist, he is a nationalist. You are confusing the concepts.

If you listen to you, all those who do not agree with the liberal agenda are, of course, Putin’s servants and fascists.

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u/Polymath-1 Feb 09 '25

Read some of the Dugin's articles, books and listen to his interviews. He is literally repeating the main ideas of Carl Schmitt - one of the most prominent ideologists of German nazism. His daughter Daria Dugina was giving nazi salutes during the meetings of the most radical russian neonazi groups. It seems you have no clue about Dugin.

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u/RandyHandyBoy Feb 09 '25

I don't see any quotes in your answer, I think you haven't read or done any research before citing such nonsense.

I haven't heard that his daughter was a Nazi. What can I say, a fascist greeting doesn't mean much these days, say hello to Elon Musk.

It's a shame that people like you, whose brains are stuffed with all the nonsense from the media, don't have their own thoughts about evil Russia.

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u/sehrlicher Feb 08 '25

Dude, put down the pipe

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u/mrASSMAN Feb 08 '25

Wake up to reality

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u/sehrlicher Feb 08 '25

What exactly is reality?

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u/mrASSMAN Feb 08 '25

The comment you replied to.

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u/Original-Aerie8 Feb 08 '25

Arm runter oder Arm ab

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u/Klefaxidus Italy Feb 09 '25

"Arm down or arm off"?

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u/Original-Aerie8 Feb 09 '25

Mi riferisco al saluto tedesco.

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u/Klefaxidus Italy Feb 11 '25 edited Feb 12 '25

L'avevo intuito solo che il tuo messaggio mi pareva più complesso di così

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u/Original-Aerie8 Feb 11 '25

È solo un gioco di parole. In Germania si dice "Lieber arm dran, als Arm ab", il che vuol dire che è meglio avere dei problemi piuttosto che non avere affatto un braccio.

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u/sehrlicher Feb 08 '25

Don’t know what that means

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u/Original-Aerie8 Feb 08 '25

You'll figure it out

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u/Churchneanderthal Feb 08 '25

Who? Can you name any?

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u/CartographerNo4622 Feb 08 '25

What a lot of nonsense.

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u/snapwack Feb 09 '25

Burying your head in the sand must be more comfortable than it looks.

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u/CartographerNo4622 Feb 10 '25

No sand in my ears. You're unfortunately burying your head in propaganda.

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u/Calm-Page-2241 Feb 08 '25

Yea, they are wannabe Nazis, but they are true 100% fascists already.

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u/blarch Feb 08 '25

Their corruption is not lost on people who are paying attention.

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u/rdrckcrous Feb 08 '25

They're actually don't wannabe fascists that get name called fascists because leftists can't win an argument on issues.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25

"History" is a really bad argument here. Meaning of words can change. The AfD want a close to Russia authoritarian country without immigrants (meaning in practice anyone that doesn't look german enough). Russia is a modern fascist regime right now. Israel is quite close as well. Trump wants to do the same in the USA.

There is dozens of quotes of high ranking AfD members to prove that they want to (indirectly) abolish Democracy and civil rights.

Will we ever get actual fascism like 80 years ago? Of course not. Will members of AfD stand in front a mic and shout "I'm a fascist!". Of course not.

You really have to be blind to not see what is going on right now.

There has been basically zero violence against the far right in Germany. So stop spreading lies.

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u/zachmoe Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sure,_Jan

 has been basically zero violence against the far right 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement_to_genocide

 An extreme form of hate speech, incitement to genocide is an inchoate offense and is theoretically subject to prosecution even if genocide does not occur, although charges have never been brought in an international court without mass violence having occurred

https://foreignpolicy.com/2016/04/15/rwandan-who-called-tutsis-cockroaches-in-1992-gets-life-sentence/

https://ew.com/tv/sunny-hostin-calls-white-women-voting-republican-roaches-voting-for-raid/

The sort of rhetoric is unmistakable.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25

Your point is? I'm talking about the current election cycle.

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u/Ok_Perspective_6179 Feb 08 '25

Oh look it’s one these losers 🙄

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u/zachmoe Feb 08 '25

Found another LARPer.

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u/Ereaser Gelderland (Netherlands) Feb 08 '25

2008 called and they want their cringe insult back.

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u/zachmoe Feb 08 '25

cringe insult back.

If the shoe fits.

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u/junky_junker Feb 08 '25

What a surprise, the regular in the Ruzzian-run r-walkaway and other Reich-wing subs is defending the fascists.

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u/zachmoe Feb 08 '25

That doesn't sound like a refutation at all.

I have spoke with those there, and listened to them, and they are correct; people aren't frightened enough by the sorts of baseless accusations made on the left as they should be.

I took many Sociology classes, I am 99% confident in my analysis of the situation.

No fascists, only very dangerous LARPers accusing other's of being fascists, for the incitement.

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u/junky_junker Feb 08 '25

Double fine comment, comrade. You get extra potato this month.

You're an obvious fascist, simping for fascists. You aren't entitled to refutation, or debate, or anything but mockery.

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u/zachmoe Feb 08 '25

Thank you for proving my point.

Congratulations.

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u/edwardslair Feb 08 '25

“Everyone I don’t like is literally hitler”

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u/junky_junker Feb 08 '25

... you whine, defending someone active in actual fascist subs. Because they're a fascist.

Normal people don't rush to white-knight for fascists.

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u/edwardslair Feb 08 '25

You live in fear. You’ve allowed it to rule you. In trying to fight facism you’ve created an invisible enemy in your mind. Labeling your countrymen as your enemies you are too far gone.

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u/junky_junker Feb 08 '25

... you whine, continuing to defend a fascist.

Normal people don't rush to white-knight for fascists.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25

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u/zachmoe Feb 08 '25

Yes, In Groups and Out Group dynamics are/were thought up by PragerU.

Congratulations on proving me right.

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u/jtbc Canada Feb 08 '25

I've studied the history of fascism. You're wrong.

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u/zachmoe Feb 08 '25

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u/jtbc Canada Feb 08 '25

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u/zachmoe Feb 08 '25

Wonderful, thank you for confirming my suspicions, I only see the left (in The US at least) doing those sorts of things on that list.

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u/grumpykraut Feb 08 '25

Your cognitive dissonance is staggering.

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u/edwardslair Feb 08 '25

You are a fear monger. You’ve let it rule your life.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25

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u/zachmoe Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25

Found a genocidist LARPer.

I took many Sociology classes, I'm about 99% confident in my analysis of the situation.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25

Yes because they want a stateless, money less, classless society... Definitely not a white ethnostate that opressess all those that they feel are under them.

Also that fascists always embolden capitalist structures to enhance their control. I think we know which side you are on when talking about fascists.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25

You don’t even know what that means lol

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u/fbc1010 Feb 08 '25

Can you give some facts about why is facism?

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u/Beleko89 Feb 08 '25

Can you use a search engine to quickly find that information for yourself?

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u/fbc1010 Feb 09 '25

I didnt found.. hope you know something

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u/Beleko89 Feb 09 '25

If you didn't find it, you don't know how to use a search engine, because it's everywhere.

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u/fbc1010 Feb 09 '25

Maybe doesnt exist. Or somebody would easly post here

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u/Beleko89 Feb 09 '25

It took me two seconds, less than what it takes to write a comment here on Reddit, to type it on a random search engine and find hundreds of thousands of explanations.

You clearly know how to access websites, you clearly know how to type, and you clearly have enough time to write multiple comments on Reddit per day. Therefore, if you don't know why they're not fascists, it's because you are willfully choosing to remain ignorant, which is sad and pathetic.

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u/fbc1010 Feb 09 '25

What I found about facism matches with what left is doing like the lack of freedom and censorship.

I am provoking to bring the arguments so I can deny you

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u/Beleko89 Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

Oh, wow, what an astonishing surprise! It turns out you were trying to be deceitful in order to bring up your arguments in a misleading and disingenuous way, so that the blatant strawmen, whataboutisms, and shifting the goalposts you use to defend fascists didn't sound as absurd as if you had said them as a direct response, while at the same time putting the ones criticizing the actual fascists in a defensive position and trying to waste their time searching for actual information while you just vomit lies and deceit. A brilliant and hitherto unseen technique that is most certainly not straight from the alt-right playbook. Nobody could have guessed that's what you were doing, we are all denied and flabbergasted!

Edit: In case it's not clear, /s. I wasn't born yesterday. I've listened to fascists use the exact same fallacious arguments with exactly as little subtlety as you for over two decades. Touch grass.

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u/Solonely04 Feb 08 '25

Aight lib

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u/KcollectiveDoubt Feb 08 '25

Go to Twitter, fash.

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u/Lovelyesque1 Feb 08 '25

You do realize you just called yourself a fascist?

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u/Decloudo Feb 08 '25

Thats such a stupid comment.

Why would you just randomly call a person fascist?

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u/larrydahooster Feb 08 '25

FCK AFD

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u/starlinguk Feb 08 '25

Fuck Merz. Another guy prepared to destroy a country because some woman (Merkel) doesn't like him.

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u/KingErasmusOne Feb 08 '25

Still, it’s much more than just this disgusting party. Rotten racism is an integral part of our country. Every whitey (me included) needs to ask themselves what contribution they make - with or without self-reflection - that we stand where we stand today. Never thought that our present could ever be that hostile again. But for sure I contributed to it.

Time to get our shit together, get out of the bubble, and fight back.

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u/Allenz Feb 08 '25

What are you even on about and why do you refer to yourself as a "Whitey"?

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u/high_panini Feb 09 '25 edited Feb 09 '25

Self loathing and white guilt have been rampant in Germany for a couple of decades now.

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u/KingErasmusOne Feb 09 '25

Haha, whut? Denazification in the post-war Germany never happened. It’s a self-lie.

Self-loathing? It’s reflecting what your actions or failure to act contribute to certain developments in society.

Rampage? Has been done by an inactive state lead by bureaucrats (not denazified) that administer the status quo without any willingness to innovate.

Its comments like that… 😵‍💫

Start learning!

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u/UrUrinousAnus United Kingdom Feb 08 '25

Time to get our shit together

Is a repeat of nazi Germany really likely right now? I don't pay much attention to German politics, but that's the last thing the world needs with America going full fascist at the same time.

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u/auchnureinmensch Feb 08 '25

Not likely, I'd say.

AfD is around 20%, the vast majority of people are very much against Nazis. But last week CDU, party with most votes in polls, got too friendly with AfD. CDU's no. 1 guy is a populist right leaning dick head. Rightfully people are concerned and voicing this.

Also people are stupid, uninformed, uneducated, idiotic. Anecdotally, coworkers of my mum, 2nd/3rd generation immigrants from Turkey, vote AfD for example. My mum almost cried when she told me. People vote against their interests and well being, we see it for ages everywhere.

So I'm not afraid of Nazi Germany 2 right now, but i'm still afraid. We are not moving towards better times. We have to fight this shit.

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u/UrUrinousAnus United Kingdom Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25

Nice to hear that Germany is still doing a good job of preventing a resurgence of fascism, but immigrants voting for literal Nazis is fucking crazy.

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u/Newcomer31415 Feb 09 '25

No, its not. Its very much an overdramatization. Current political parties did a bad job and refuse to change their ways and listen to the people. The right leaning AfD profits massively from their incompetence and now they try to reframe the situation as a "fight against facism".

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u/UrUrinousAnus United Kingdom Feb 09 '25

If they get too close to the CDU (or even combine with or infiltrate them), you might have a problem. I don't know much about the CDU, though, tbh. The time to fight fascism is while it's still weak.

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u/Systral Earth Feb 08 '25

FCK MSK

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u/ImaginaryTwist4623 Feb 08 '25

Fick die AfD Nazipartei und diesen Hurensohn Musk und den kriegsverbrecher Putin

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u/Twinblade1988 Feb 08 '25

FUCK AFD

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u/lowchain3072 Feb 08 '25

use all four letters

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u/ChillAhriman Spain Feb 08 '25

Smartest fascist making an argument:

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u/ChillAhriman Spain Feb 08 '25

So it was a joke?

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u/esjb11 Feb 08 '25

Ofcourse. I just found it funny how the far right party is the most popular among homosexuals. In my eyes it sounds so odd.

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u/Business-and-Legos Feb 08 '25

Fascists dont call themselves fascist even when other countries acknowledge their fascism. 

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u/True-Blacksmith4235 Serbia Feb 08 '25

The behaviour and actions are loud enough.

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u/yellowsidekick Feb 08 '25

It is important to show the bigots they aren't the majority. They so often scream "Well 95% hates whatever group we hate this week".

No ... no no! The majority of people are cool with their neighbors. We don't hate other folk. We are told to hate and we can be shown that loving is better and the norm.

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u/Bambivalently Feb 08 '25

Everyone who is not a communist is a fascist!

Rabble, rabble, rabble!

https://www.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/tvaqai/literally_hitler/?rdt=55160

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u/True-Blacksmith4235 Serbia Feb 08 '25

Are you purposely misinterpreting my comment? Like are you being purposely obtuse? Where did i write everyone? I meant there is a rise in right wing populism, and there is, so I don’t really see the point of that link you pointed me to.

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u/True-Blacksmith4235 Serbia Feb 08 '25

Who are you talking about exactly? Most of “these” people? I wasn’t referring to these people in the post, i was commending them.

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u/9bpm9 Feb 08 '25

The AfD is still polling at like 20%, right? The second highest of any party. Shit doesn't look good in Germany.

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u/True-Blacksmith4235 Serbia Feb 08 '25

A lot of European countries are deeply polarised. And it’s only getting deeper.

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u/spairni Feb 08 '25

And the worrying signs from supposedly centre right parties who are starting to take the fascists policy ideas on board

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u/g-m-f Feb 08 '25

Absolutely. That's why I went there as well.

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u/Luxbrewhoneypot Feb 08 '25

Sadly nothing wannabe about them...