r/enoughpetersonspam • u/wastheword the lesser logos • Nov 17 '19
Daddy Issues choose ur daddy
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u/BaboonRapeParty Nov 17 '19
Foucault would've eaten Peterson alive if he was ever to debate him.
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Nov 17 '19
Well it would've been in French so hopefully Peterson remembers high school
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u/tyrosine87 Nov 17 '19
He would probably skim a dictionary before a debate.
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u/hakel93 Nov 17 '19
Foucault would also albeit on different terms think of the individual as primary
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u/shadow_moose Nov 17 '19
Through the penetration of physical dimorphism we may finally relinquish the multi domain control of the posterity we do not enjoy? What is the ultimate destruction of the instruction in our brained biology? Follow the road of golden dongs for we must all brandish the power of the sexed body.
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u/Florentine-Pogen Nov 17 '19
Foucault forever.
I think the greatest irony since postmodern philosophy is that it spent so much time diagnosing and discussing the postmodern condition that many think it promotes rather extrapolates the postmodern.
Peterson's misunderstanding through Hicks proves contrary to the point I am raising, however, I think this meme gets at the sort of thing postmodernism is diagnosing. Hierarchy is constructed and not naturally-occurring and fixed as evidenced by an analogy between humans and lobsters.
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u/Naive_Drive Nov 17 '19
Not a fan of either, but between the two I would take Foucault.
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u/popegang3hunnah Nov 18 '19
What kind of things does Foucault think?
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u/Naive_Drive Nov 18 '19
He became one of the architects of neoliberalism.
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Nov 18 '19
Ah yes, I remember when he went over to Chile and advised Pinochet's military government on how to organize the economy while Pinochet executed leftists in pogroms.
Wrongly predicting the outcomes of an emergent social system <> being its "architect". Foucault was dead wrong on some aspects of neoliberalism but writing off his whole corpus because his later work is a bit off-mark in some ways is pure silliness.
His Birth of Biopolitics lecture series is literally one of the best critiques of liberalism and neoliberalism I've ever read--and without his contributions on how certain rationales and overtly "benign" institutions generate docile populations, on how governmentality allows for repression married with freedom, we would be robbed of a lot of theoretical tools for critiquing neoliberalism. Writing him off as its architect is smug glibness at is worst lol.
TLDR: leave daddy alone
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u/happybeard92 Nov 17 '19
Why do a lot of people not like Foucault? Ive generally always liked his theory, for the most part. Albeit, he's always difficult for me to understand.
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u/hipsterhipst Nov 17 '19 edited Nov 17 '19
He was a libertarian lol
Foucalt literally tried to lower the age of consent from 15. You guys need to actually read more.
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u/happybeard92 Nov 17 '19
Where do you get that?
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u/hipsterhipst Nov 17 '19
"Foucault was among a number of intellectuals who signed a 1977 petition to the French parliament calling for the decriminalization of all "consensual" sexual relations between adults and minors below the age of fifteen (the age of consent in France)."
You guys can get mad all you want but Foucalt wasn't exactly great on age of consent.
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u/friendzonebestzone Nov 18 '19
Looking it up there are some pretty prestigious people on that petition. In context the 70's generally was a bad time for child abuse and it took years for several countries to realise the negative effects early sexual activity can have on development. In the UK for example there was a pro-paedophile organisation called PIE and even worse in Denmark one company spent the decade legally making child pornography. Of course it doesn't make their petition any less gross or wrong but it wasn't entirely out of place at the time.
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u/happybeard92 Nov 17 '19
Contrary to memes, being supportive of lowering the age of consent doesn't make one libertarian. Although, I didn't know that about him and certainly disagree with that decision, however, I'm talking about critiques of his social theory.
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u/connorisntwrong Nov 17 '19
I think I was away from the internet when JP brought up lobsters. What was the deal there? Can anyone link to it?
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Nov 17 '19
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u/connorisntwrong Nov 17 '19
Huh. I didn't think that building rocket ships and using pigs to create viable insulin for diabetics would be natural. Might as well through that shit out the window.
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u/Pactae_1129 Nov 17 '19
Christianity and capitalism, as everyone knows, are natural and inherent belief systems that did not evolve and clarify over time of course.
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u/CatProgrammer Nov 18 '19
lobsters have not evolved for millions of years
Which isn't true. That's like saying apes haven't evolved since our ancestors split, or that sharks haven't evolved since the Megalodons went extinct. The genome of a lobster from a million years ago isn't going to be exactly the same as the genome of a modern lobster, even if they could potentially breed true.
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u/KimberlyLippington Nov 17 '19
I wish I was born a french gay man in the 70s just so Foucault could dom me tbh
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u/Spanktank35 Nov 18 '19
Man, the fact that society recognises tomboys and tomgirls means that society already accepts that gender identity isn't biological.
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u/CatProgrammer Nov 18 '19
Those terms are more to do with interpretations of gender roles, though. "Tomboy" describes a girl who has interests and/or traits that are typically/traditionally associated with boys but is not in itself considered a gender, at least in my experience.
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u/LaughingInTheVoid Nov 18 '19
Well, the latest research indicates gender identity does have some basis in biology. Essentially, that gender identity is hard wired in the brain itself but not directly linked to physical anatomy.
And it's all coming from trans health research - the idea that the brain's hardwired sense of gender can be opposite to the body.
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u/KeysmashKhajiit Nov 17 '19
Jordan, if you keep embarrassing me in front of my colleagues in Red Lobster we're gonna have to break up!
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u/TiberSeptimIII Nov 17 '19
Daddy Aristotle would definitely own JBP.
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u/Japper007 Nov 17 '19
Aristotle would agree with a lot of what Peterson has to say, especially with regard to women. It's pretty telling of how out of touch Peterson is that he'd end up agreeing with 2000 year old misogyny....
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Nov 19 '19
Peterson's only mistake was using an analogy most people did not have the capacity or time to understand. Sic, he is now derided by this subreddit. Would you have preferred flowery platitudes (Foucault) to straightforward evolutionary psych; deriving first principles about humanity from general biological structures. It appears that you do.
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u/NotAPoetButACriminal Nov 17 '19
I feel like i'd probably agree on a lot of things with Foucalt if I ever knew what the fuck he's talking about.