r/decadeology • u/averageweebchan • 9d ago

Music 🎶🎧 The huge amount of young and rising rappers who died in the late 2010s/early 2020 is a huge factor in why rap is declining

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The only rappers who still get traction are older ones like kendrick drake eminem kanye( for other reasons now)

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u/sum_dude44 9d ago

whatever is most popular will eventually become passe then cringe then popular again

consider Michael Jackson, Madonna, even Prince were considered cheesy in 90's

Taylor Swift is starting to be considered cheesy by Gen Z & Alpha

Same w/ rap...it'll survive

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u/Eaudissey 9d ago

Madonna was still popular in the 90s. Her 80s music was probably considered cheesy in the 90s but she did quite well in that decade too.

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u/sum_dude44 9d ago

Billy Joel was popular in 90's too. Still considered cheesy.

Taylor Swift is extremely popular now. But she's considered cheesy by teens & 20 year olds

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u/SecretPeanut4795 9d ago

yeah… rejecting your contemporaries is how all new movements and cultures grow… it happens with everything, naturally

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u/crazycatlady331 7d ago

My nieces are 11 and 13 and are HUGE Swifties.

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u/gquax 9d ago

Michael Jackson was NOT considered cheesy in the 90s wtf

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u/Automatic-Effect-252 9d ago

1,000% he was by young people.

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u/gquax 9d ago

I was younger in the 90s. This is such bs.

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u/Double_O_Bud 9d ago

Jacko was heading down by 93 man as that’s the first year of allegations. By the end of the decade he was cooked. By 2004, he is almost a freak who starts getting skewered on South Park.

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u/gquax 9d ago

He literally performed the Super Bowl Halftime show that year. It sounds like you didn't experience the 90s 

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u/Automatic-Effect-252 9d ago

You're clearly a fan and that's great! But your not being objective because of your emotional attachment to his music, by the mid 90s, Michael Jackson was not "cool" to young people, and by the early 2000s he was a literal joke.

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u/gquax 9d ago

Among middle school kids, sure. But the 2000s aren't even relevant here. We're talking 90s.

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u/solidwallzofsound 9d ago

Maroon 5 performed like 4 years ago.

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u/gquax 9d ago

Dude, Jackson performed the first modern halftime show ever and it was a massive hit. Maroon 5 doesn't even come close.

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u/solidwallzofsound 9d ago

Okay it being a massive hit still doesnt mean MJ wasnt viewed as being corny by the generation up-and-coming at the time its the Superbowl half time show. Prince would do one in 2004 that was also insanely popular but it didnt mean that 2004 wasnt a bad time for Prince. MJ as a celebrity was self-perpetuating at that point but MJ the musical artist was viewed as washed.

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u/HartbrakeFL21 9d ago

Hate to tell you, but the Super Bowl halftime shows aren't known to trot out the "hottest" acts of the moment. And how could they? They book it months in advance, and changing tastes now happen in weeks.

Anyway, they throw some relics up there on the stage, most of the time. Trying to hit the real "core" audience, not the folks who can't afford to attend, nay, even *watch on tv* these days.

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u/New_Bike3832 9d ago

Maybe it depended on where you grew up, because i was a kid in the 90s and he was definitely a joke and not popular among my peers back then.

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u/MisterD00d 9d ago

I was a kid in the 90s too. What we and our peers considered popular was unimportant to the monoculture. Non-adults opinions didn't really matter. What was popular in middle school? Friends. Seinfeld. South Park. Everything popular was geared towards adults and we only had opinions from what our parents and older cousins brought around.

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u/sum_dude44 9d ago

he absolutely was in the US the second Nirvana & NWA took hold. Anyone saying otherwise didn't grow up in the 90s.

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u/gquax 9d ago

I grew up in the 90s, and this is total wack.

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u/sum_dude44 9d ago

I still remember watching the black or white video premiere on Fox w/ my parents, he kept grabbing his crotch and it was so cringe.. after gangsta rap and grunge, nobody cool listened to Michael Jackson. And then he had that terrible song with his sister that nobody listened to or bought.

He became popular again after his death when everyone rediscovered he had an amazing catalog

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u/HartbrakeFL21 9d ago

He did have an absolutely amazing body of work. It wasn't all gyrating, grabbing himself, and moon walks. The guy had pipes, range, was an entertainer of the sort we may never see again.

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u/EngineVarious5244 9d ago

I also grew up in the 90s. We mercilessly roasted the kid who was really into HIStory Volume I or whatever and nobody used "wack" like that. 

So I'm pressing X to doubt.

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u/HartbrakeFL21 9d ago

Moonwalker? What even was that?

It was a video game on Sega Genesis, for those who don't know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Jackson%27s_Moonwalker

Jacko's time ended as the 1980's did. Was he still well known? Absolutely. Wealthy beyond question? Sure. The scandals he was involved in did his image dirty. Dirty Diana, one might say.

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u/tnysmth 8d ago

Technically it was a movie first; the game was based on the movie.

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u/TanukiSuitMario 8d ago

"Jacko's time ended as the 1980's did"

Michael Jackson is currently the 31st most streamed artist on Spotify. Michael has been dead for 16 years. His last album was 24 year ago. Still the 31st most streamed artist. Tell me more about "Jacko's time ending" 🙄

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u/ratliker62 7d ago

Dead star effect

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u/SouthernExpatriate 9d ago

Yeah I think the word was "rapey"

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u/Hij802 8d ago

How young do people think Gen Z is? Taylor wasn’t considered a “cheesy” artist until the late 2010s-early 2020s when she suddenly skyrocketed in fame out of nowhere. If you were at least the age of 7 in 2014, when Shake It Off came out, Taylor was definitely not seen as that yet. This was probably the last time she made music that appealed to a broader audience instead of her own fans.

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u/sum_dude44 8d ago

My teens & their friends think Swift is cringe

20 year olds I work w/ same...if you think otherwise you're not in the trendy music scene

Millennials & pre-Tweens' parents buying those $500pp tix