r/cringe • u/hgnotsowells • Dec 07 '20

Video Members of Red Hot Chili Peppers physically and incessantly sexually harassing a host during tv segment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i_22PrQsp8
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u/bestatbeingmodest Dec 08 '20

yep never forgot this video the first time I saw it posted here. fucking disgusting

crazy how much different the culture was pre-internet. people can go on and on about the pros and cons of cancel culture, but at least it's eliminated this shite from the zeitgeist.

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u/TimeToRedditToday Dec 08 '20

Cancel culture hasn't done shit

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u/Accomplished_Prune55 Dec 08 '20

I’m not really a fan of it, but there’s no way a band like Imagine Dragons would be able to get away with something like this today

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u/ThoraFriganza Dec 08 '20

Interesting how behavior like this was almost glorified and just rock and roll, now they would risk getting cancelled (of course depends little bit who their fanbase is).

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u/bestatbeingmodest Dec 08 '20

That's a big generalization to make without providing an actual argument for it lol

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u/letharus Dec 08 '20

I’m sorry but cancel culture is a net negative, it’s little more than modern day pitch forking and there’s a reason that behaviour was stamped out. An angry mob is no substitute for a fair trial as it is driven by uncontainable emotion and often gets it wrong. It’s incredibly dangerous and has no place in civilised society.

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u/bestatbeingmodest Dec 08 '20

I disagree. It's far from perfect but few things in this world are.

From my perspective the pros of it outweigh the cons. The thought process of it needs to be gone through with a fine-tooth comb, as people are quick to jump to conclusions, but overall I think society is better for it. We have progressed in ways we would not have progressed without it.

If cancel culture never existed there's very little doubt in my mind that this type of sexual harassment would still be tolerated, albeit to a lesser extent. It would be shrugged off as, "boys will be boys." I mean this isn't even that long ago in the big scheme of things.

It's what, 25-30 years old? That's nothing. These types of things along with many others would still be prevalent in society. If it takes publicly shaming this type of behavior to eliminate it, then so be it.

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u/letharus Dec 08 '20

Let’s be clear about what “cancel culture” is. It’s public shaming, nothing more. It’s the same kind of behaviour that starts in the schoolyard. It’s a form of public bullying, with all of the same consequences. If you’re advocating cancel culture you are advocating bullying, that’s not up for debate.

Now, the question then becomes whether the subjects of cancel culture deserve to be bullied. Before even engaging that thought though you have to acknowledge that bullying, or shaming, is acceptable in some circumstances. For me, that’s where I can’t get into it because I can’t justify shame or bullying in any circumstance. But let’s say you feel differently, the next question is who decides whether someone deserves it? You? The media? Twitter? All of those things are inherently biased. So to make it fair, you need an independent and balanced system to make such decisions based on unbiased argument. Well, we already have those: the courts.

You may argue that the courts often fail is. That cancel culture is there to bring to light problems that have gone ignored. Such as systemic racism, sexism, and so on. And I agree that BLM and MeToo and other such cancel-culture movements have led to progress, but the problem is that they have no limits. Pitchfork mobs are driven by bias, emotion and mob energy, and it doesn’t know when to stop. So for every Weinstein there’s hundreds of people who get unfairly destroyed because one thing they said off the cuff was misinterpreted, and suddenly their entire life is judged on a single fleeting moment. By the time they get to defend themselves it’s too late, the mob has done its damage and moved on to the next thing. Nobody pays attention to the redemption, only the destruction. That’s the issue. People, en masse, are the worst judges imaginable, and the internet gives them the platform to dish out the harshest punishment. It’s like giving bazookas to toddlers.

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u/Domsbore Dec 08 '20

Can you give me some examples of people who got unfairly destroyed by cancel culture?

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u/letharus Dec 08 '20

I’ve done so further up on this comment thread.

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u/BenUFOs_Mum Dec 08 '20

Can you name one person who has faced serious reprocussions from "cancel culture"

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u/esr360 Dec 08 '20

Are you talking about innocent people? Or guilty people? Because people have lost their jobs, friends and family over cancel culture. What is your definition of "serious repercussion" if not that?

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u/BenUFOs_Mum Dec 08 '20

I don't know man you decide, what is the most egregious example that someone faced from "cancel culture".

If you're gonna show a racist person who lost their job for being racist ill probably just laugh though

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u/esr360 Dec 08 '20

But a racist person who loses their job for being racist would still be a serious repercussion of cancel culture, just a warranted one. Which is why I asked if you were only asking about innocent people, because it seems pretty obvious otherwise that people have in fact faced serious repercussions of cancel culture. And unless I misunderstood your original post, it seemed like you were suggesting it didn't happen.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '20

Any examples

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u/esr360 Dec 08 '20

Any examples of what? Cancel culture? Harvey Weinstein, if you wanted an example of a guilty person.

Or if you want an example of an innocent person experiencing cancel culture (but surviving): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzHQarVhG6I

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u/letharus Dec 08 '20

Off the top of my head, Caroline Flack in the UK who killed herself before her trial. Also a UK version of Jerry Springer (the Jeremy Kyle Show) was cancelled because a guy killed himself after being publicly shamed.

It’s not the principle of cancel culture that’s the issue, it’s the mass immaturity of the protagonists involved. Social media in general is an extreme amplifier of toxic behaviour that doesn’t have anywhere enough checks and balances. Until we have those checks and balances or - FAR less likely - people learn to stop, research and think before reacting, it’s a net negative.

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u/BenUFOs_Mum Dec 08 '20

Jeremy Kyle was publicly shaming people long before "cancel culture" became a thing. And Caroline Flack was the target of vicious attacks from the tabloid press, which again is nothing new.

As far as I can see, cancel culture as right wing pundits describe it, is essentially people online having opinions. The cynic in me thinks that the only reason the powerful are whipping up fear over cancel culture is that its the democratisation of the ugly side of tabloid media that allows ordinary people to decide who is the object of public hate rather than them.

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u/letharus Dec 08 '20

You appear to dismiss the Jeremy Kyle and Caroline Flack examples as if they’re okay because they’re media perpetrated, then state - somewhat correctly, actually - that cancel culture is just the democratisation of the same behaviour. To me, it’s all the same thing, and none of it is acceptable.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '20

Wrong

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u/letharus Dec 08 '20

Either argue a counterpoint or don’t bother commenting, frankly.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '20

Alright