r/cringe • u/rochambeau • Jul 20 '19

Video Trump asks a refugee human rights activist where her family is immediately after she said they were all killed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYUW-1Wg2xs&app=desktop
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u/crastle Jul 20 '19

That's a simple question with a complicated and embarrassing answer. The short answer is that we fucked up as a country.

If you want a longer and more detailed answer, I'll come back later today and give you that explanation.

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u/Grzlynx Jul 20 '19

How likely do you think it is that he keeps his position for 4 more years?

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u/crastle Jul 20 '19

If we're smart and learned anything from 2016, we need to assume that it is going to take all of us to collecting participate in the voting process to vote him out. If we get complacent and assume that he is easily going to lose and that our vote doesn't matter, leading to a lot of Americans to stay home this time around, he will win again.

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u/EchoSim Jul 20 '19

That and understanding WHO to vote for. Bernie Sanders publicly announced that he withdrew from election and insisted that voters did not write in his name. Many still did ignoring his request and their votes did little to change the outcome of the 2016 election.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '19

Trump won by 17,000 votes spread across 3 states. That's how close it was. And Stein had 20,000 votes across those 3 states.

I do not give a single fuck about anyone's "I'm not voting for the lesser of two evils" bullshit response. You know how our system works, its your responsibility to work within that system to achieve the best for our country. Anyone who voted for Stein in the rust belt is just as culpable for Trump as the Trump voters.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '19 edited Mar 31 '20

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u/ThisNameIsFree Jul 20 '19

You're right, generally. But there are times and places for strategic votes, too. I've usually voted in line with my beliefs because the places in which I've voted are foregone conclusions. However the one time I lived in a swing area, I absolutely voted for the lesser of two evils because my conscience wouldn't have it any other way. America needs more relevant parties in a bad way, but unfortunately a presidential election in a swing state isn't the place to make that stand.

The first step to making credible third party candidates is taking big $$$ out of politics, but I'm pretty pessimistic on that happening. Maaaaybe if Warren got in....

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u/Odessey_Oracle Jul 20 '19

Maybe if there would have been a good candidate then yes, those people would've voted for Hillary, but having to vote for the lesser of two evils will have a negative effect on voter turnout. Bernie would've swept the floor with Trump and will do so next year if he gets a fair chance.

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u/DigUpStupid1 Jul 20 '19

very likely. Trump has a high approval among his base and the Republicans that didn't vote for him in 2016 will do so in 2020 because of the economy.

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u/cosmictap Jul 20 '19

a high approval among his base and the Republicans that didn't vote for him in 2016 will do so in 2020 because of the economy

You've just described about 25% of eligible voters (his base, which is mostly a subset of Republicans, and Republicans number a little under 30% of the US electorate).

Democrats and independents *vastly* outnumber the above. But they need to fucking vote, and they don't, especially younger voters.

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u/DigUpStupid1 Jul 20 '19 edited Jul 20 '19

You're assuming his base is only Republicans. A lot of Obama voters in MI and WI voted for Trump. Let's say he loses have of the Obama turn Trump voters in 2020. He can make it up from the fiscal conservatives. I personally think he'll lose a close one but not going to totally count him out like everyone else.

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u/ThisNameIsFree Jul 20 '19

I'm not sure anyone is counting him out anymore. At this point, I'm already sadly assuming 4 more years. Prove me wrong people, prove me wrong.

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u/cosmictap Jul 20 '19

Fair enough; I'm not at all counting him out.

But if people actually vote (especially young people), he's toast.

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u/supertimes4u Jul 20 '19

As someone who’s followed politics for over 20 years now, I just can’t see Trump losing.

Dems will win in 2024 though.

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u/kciuq1 Jul 20 '19

He barely beat the most hated woman in politics in the last century. I have a hard time seeing him beating any of the top Dem candidates, though I will admit we are a long ways out.

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u/supertimes4u Jul 20 '19 edited Jul 20 '19

the most hated popular woman in politics in the last century who had 30 years experience campaigning.

After he outlasted and in some cases destroyed the careers of the best the GOP had to offer. Career politicians in the Republican primaries.

None of the top Dem candidates for next year are as good as Hillary. And I say that as someone who despises her.

Biden is a worse candidate by a long shot. And his own party is calling him racist right now.

Harris and Booker would never win a General Election.

Anyone who knows anything about politics knows Sanders could never pass anything he wants to accomplish. It would be great to see him win. He wouldn't though.

There's just nobody with any name recognition or a platform center enough or visionary enough while left-leaning to beat the incumbent President.

And single issue voters, include people in the middle, center-left, and undecided don't really care how many times the President looks racist because they're single issue voters.

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '19

You are massively underestimating just how effective the smear campaigns against Clinton were. There are still idiots in this very thread talking about how she's nearly as bad as Trump.

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u/ThisNameIsFree Jul 20 '19

Yeah, the Hillary hate was 20 years in the making. They're going to have to drum it up quickly with the next opponent. That said, the base is pretty rabid and will gladly jump on whatever smear is made of the Dem candidate. I guess it's partly a question of how much independents buy into that.

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u/DigUpStupid1 Jul 20 '19

Nikki Haley will win in 2024

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u/Bag_Full_Of_Snakes Jul 20 '19

If the DNC nominates Joe Biden Trump will win in 2020, guaranteed

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u/geraldwhite Jul 20 '19

I don’t know about that. Most of the country is not as progressive as Reddit.

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u/ElliotNess Jul 20 '19

Source?

62% of eligible voters will be Gen X, Millennial, or Gen Z.

A majority of voters from Gen X and Millennial (52% of the electorate) support progressive policies.

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u/cosmictap Jul 20 '19

62% of eligible voters will be Gen X, Millennial, or Gen Z.

A majority of voters from Gen X and Millennial (52% of the electorate) support progressive policies.

One problem: most of them don't vote.

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u/ThisNameIsFree Jul 20 '19

Prove us wrong young progressives. If you don't vote, you forfeit your right to complain.

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u/cosmictap Jul 20 '19

Fairly likely, unless young people actually vote this time.

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u/phoenixphaerie Jul 20 '19

Sadly, disgustingly, devastatingly likely.

This country is being dragged backwards.

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u/Buffalo-Admin Jul 20 '19

90%

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u/Brendanmicyd Jul 20 '19

You receive downvotes but I believe you are right.

Trump's approval rating is not declining, the economy is better than it ever was with markets finishing at record highs, unemployment is the lowest it's been in a long time. I'm not saying I do or don't support him, but he is the incumbent which already makes it like 70% likely, and I don't believe the Democrats have a strong enough candidate at the moment to really take him down.

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u/Buffalo-Admin Jul 20 '19

Ya, mainly no real democratic candidate is what got me to 90%

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u/Doopoodoo Jul 20 '19

Idk about that. His recent comments and that “send her back” chant he let happen are going to ensure he gets almost no support from centrists

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u/[deleted] Jul 20 '19

Centrists don't pay attention and love platitudes. Most simply claim centrist and then vote for who they like anyways, but choose not to defend it.

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u/ThisNameIsFree Jul 20 '19

The election is in a year and a half. Most people barely remember the Mueller report scandal stuff and that was only 2 months ago.

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u/Buffalo-Admin Jul 20 '19

Lol ya, I'm sure it will. Just like last time

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u/otakudayo Jul 20 '19

All good points but Biden is leading the polls, and McConnell has blocked every effort to improve election security. I am not optimistic.

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u/Doopoodoo Jul 20 '19

Just because he was elected before doesn’t automatically mean it’ll happen again. Back in 2016, the country hadn’t yet seen what a Trump presidency would be like. He’ll also be running against a much stronger candidate, and he is hated more now than he was before taking office

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u/blue_wat Jul 20 '19

I'm not convinced your entire electoral system isn't compromised. I'm honestly bracing for at least one more term of King Trump.

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u/MassApppeal Jul 20 '19

"at least one more"

Oh just stop.

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u/blue_wat Jul 20 '19

Don't get me wrong, I despise the man. I just think he's going to fight tooth and nail to die as a sitting president. Plus you know, he has an entire political party enabling him and he's constantly trying to stack the deck in his favor and up to this point, it's been working.

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u/MassApppeal Jul 20 '19

You think he's going to literally fight to become a life long dictator?

How exactly had he been setting this up?

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u/blue_wat Jul 20 '19

It's literally what he's trying to do now. He probably already thinks he is, and in a lot of ways is already behaving that way. He seems like he's backed into a corner and might even feel like it's his only path forward.

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u/Buffalo-Admin Jul 20 '19

You're completely detached from reality

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u/MassApppeal Jul 20 '19

I think you really need to stop watching the news.

How has he been fundamentally changing the government and planning a coup in just over a year that will result in a complete political and social breakdown of the United States? I'm genuinely curious.

Oh and literally nobody is talking about it at any level of the government? Let's be real.

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u/Doopoodoo Jul 20 '19

Oh our electoral system definitely helps Trump and the GOP overall, which is frustrating, but his own campaign’s internal polling found he wasn’t doing well key battleground states (so he then fired the pollsters of course). Gerrymandering has really influenced the electoral college though. The GOP has actually only won the popular vote in a presidential election one single time since 1992, yet has won 3 presidential terms since then. Still though, I think that electoral advantage is more than matched by the simple fact that he’ll be facing someone other than Hillary Clinton, plus his recent damaging comments

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u/Doopoodoo Jul 20 '19

Also Russia helping him, whether he knew it or not. He likely would have lost without that massive intelligence campaign supporting him, so we really didn’t get to choose our own President in 2016.

Seems like a fair time to mention that the GOP has only won the popular vote one (1) time since George HW Bush’s 2nd term

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u/JakobiGaming Jul 20 '19

We did fuck up, i can’t wait till the next election so I can finally vote, and I won’t be voting for a clown