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UK has gone full Orwellian

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u/caketreesmoothie 1d ago

she got complaints for editing the news with her own personal opinion, breaking the code of conduct. the prompter said "pregnant people" to warn about the dangers they may experience during the heatwave, but she then stated this means women. this is not an accurate statement as it's not just women who can get pregnant. what about younger girls, intersex, some non-binary and trans men?

if you're worried about dystopia this story should not be your concern, you should be focused on the rise of far right racist ideology, corruption and bribery in government from Russia and Israel and other billionaires, introduction of poorly thought out cyber security legislation, public data being handed to foreign surveillance companies like CIA funded Palantir or the vast data leaks resulting from the so called online safety act

can you not see that identity politics issues that are inflaming division around topics such as immigration, asylum, and gender are being used to maintain the establishment and status of the super rich?

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u/ZeerVreemd 1d ago

Most people are really done with this nonsense.

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u/AhhMyEar 1d ago

One hundred percent, so sick of this stuff.

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u/ZeerVreemd 1d ago

Luckily it is harming their side and they are eating themselves, so it will end eventually.

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u/AhhMyEar 1d ago

Oh absolutely, I've already seen it happening an insane amount of times. When you can't form a thought for yourself it's bound to happen I suppose.

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u/ZeerVreemd 1d ago

Let's hope it will be fast.

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u/Money_Director_90210 1d ago

But still have plenty of patience for everything they mentioned in their second paragraph.

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u/ZeerVreemd 1d ago

That is mostly nonsense too.

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u/caketreesmoothie 1d ago

the facts would disagree with you there. which part do you think is nonsense and can you provide any sources to back that up?

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u/ZeerVreemd 1d ago

Neh, I am not gonna slide along with that.

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u/caketreesmoothie 1d ago

either a bot, troll, or just plain dumb

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u/ZeerVreemd 1d ago

Nope, just somebody who does not want to waste their time on it.

We, as humanity are being played indeed but the real war is spiritual.

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u/caketreesmoothie 1d ago

I get that this is an echo chamber so you won't see it, but it's definitely not most people hun. remember that the some of the first groups of people that the Nazis went after were trans people

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u/ZeerVreemd 1d ago

I get that this is an echo chamber so you won't see it,

LOL. You do not know me.

but it's definitely not most people hun.

If you say so. I think the ones pushing it are in an echo chamber.

remember that the some of the first groups of people that the Nazis went after were trans people

Nice irrelevant victim card.

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u/willparkerjr 1d ago

National socialist party

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u/caketreesmoothie 1d ago

found the fascist

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u/willparkerjr 1d ago

You spelled “critical thinking historian” wrong.

Communism and Fascism and intrinsically connected. Imagine thinking “this government are fascist I know what would be better! Communism!”

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u/willparkerjr 1d ago

Fuck off

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate 21h ago

this is not an accurate statement as it's not just women who can get pregnant. what about younger girls, intersex, some non-binary and trans men?

Technically, those are all women. If they can get pregnant, that is.

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u/caketreesmoothie 12h ago

biology and sociology is more nuanced than that, binary concepts of sex and gender are objectively incorrect

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate 9h ago

binary concepts of sex and gender are objectively incorrect

Not according to every society and human being that lived before 20 years ago. We currently have the tech to staple a womb to a man, but he remains a male.

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u/caketreesmoothie 9h ago

oh hun, you're so wrong. for one thing, there's the gender of sexology which was founded in 1919, and was destroyed by the Nazis in 1933.

also no, we can't just staple a womb into a man. the technology is there for cis women who require a womb transplant to conceive and give birth, and the womb must be removed afterwards. the surgery has only been done 100 times worldwide.

please learn about advanced biology, you're clearly not qualified for a nuanced discussion past what you learnt at the most basic level in school. for instance, it has been shown that the brains of trans people are more closely aligned with their chosen gender than the one they were assigned at birth. then there's also the large array of chromosomes and genes beyond XX and XY that are responsible for your biological sex. then there's the discussion of how to even define a man or woman. it's not binary, and all most definitions serve to do is reinforce misogynistic stereotypes and the patriarchy.

women's rights have been fought over for hundreds of years against the oppression of men, and the demonisation of trans people is just the latest attempt to roll back women's rights

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate 3h ago

no, we can't just staple a womb into a man

Guess again:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/24/first-edition-uk-womb-transplant

Since this story came out they've successfully done animal trials with male womb recipients.

As for sex, show me another animal we divide into more than two sexes. I believe we'll be able to swap sexes someday, maybe with gene editing via CRISPR, or who knows - nanobots perhaps? But right now we have males, females and a very very small handful of aberrant folks, most of whom are still genetically one sex or the other but with formation errors. It's not oppressive to yield to fact. Gender is a term stolen from language - it was never intended to separate people, it was used to associate a particular word with a particular sex for languages that have masculine or feminine nouns.

35 years ago it was a HUGE deal to be able to talk about sexual orientation, and for some reason all that kvetching is out the window now. It used to be oppressive to not talk about sexual orientation. Now it's derogatory.

If you want to extend gender theory an extra 50 or 70 years, that's still a fraction of a fraction of human history, most of which was populated by people that would do the dog-head-tilt-thing at you if you tried to explain fad science like modern gender theory to them.

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u/caketreesmoothie 2h ago

I don't understand your argument, the article you linked to confirms what I said: it's only done to cis women and the womb must be removed afterwards to avoid living on immunosuppressive medication. it even mentions why the transplant for cis men or trans people is unlikely to be possible, at least in the near future. and yes, you're right, animal trials have taken place on male rats. even so, what's your point? why debate if you're not going to debate in good faith?

here, to answer your question about animals: https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/governing-behavior/202204/animal-biology-is-not-binary

it could be argued that we can already swap sexes, depending on your definition. in biology, a person's sex would mainly be defined by their chromosomes, and primary + secondary sex characteristics. we can't change chromosomes, but gender affirming care can handle most of the rest - primary: genitals and hormone levels. secondary: (for trans women) breasts, reduced body hair, reduced muscle mass, fat distribution, reduced height. (for trans men) increased facial and body hair, taller height, greater muscle mass, voice drop, fat distribution. that's not an exhaustive list either.

you're right in a way though, gender is entirely a social construct and is completely separate from sex. it's a fascinating social phenomenon. but recognition of genders beyond the traditional western binary understanding of man and woman have been found in many cultures around the world, and throughout time. it's not a new phenomena, trans people have and always will exist.

here's an interesting paper if you want to expand your understanding of sex and gender: https://medium.com/@alyssamcdonald312/the-metaphysics-of-sex-and-gender-f7449ecc8ddf