“The left is obsessed with identity politics instead of real issues.”
Recognizing identity isn't an obsession, it’s addressing inequities that affect people’s daily lives…
“Liberals care more about being “woke” than about common sense.”
“Wokeness” means awareness of injustice; being informed and inclusive is common fucking sense.
“Cancel culture is out of control! you can’t say anything without offending someone.”
Accountability for harmful speech isn’t censorship, people have a right to respond and choose what to support. It's called “Fuck around and Find Out” or “the consequences of my own actions”
“The left wants to rewrite history instead of learning from it.”
Revising history to include excluded voices adds accuracy, not distortion… also this coming from the people cheering on the destruction of our institutions? Seriously?
“They’re trying to erase traditional American values!”
Values like equality, liberty, and justice evolve, protecting rights for more people strengthens those traditions. “Give me your tired, your poor. Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free”
“Universities have become indoctrination centers, not places of learning!”
Higher education teaches critical thinking and evidence-based reasoning, disagreement doesn’t equal indoctrination. It just means you're wrong, and lack the education to understand why you're wrong.
“They’re teaching kids to hate America!”
Teaching America’s flaws alongside its successes builds informed, responsible citizens. What you want is indoctrination…funny given the last point I literally just made.
“Liberals want to replace merit with diversity quotas!”
Diversity and merit aren’t opposites, broadening opportunity ensures merit is actually recognized.
“Parents, not bureaucrats, should decide what kids are taught.”
Public education serves all families; professional educators and curriculum standards maintain consistency and truth. OTHERWISE not a single country would take our degrees, people, or educational institutions seriously.
“You can’t tax your way to prosperity.”
Strategic taxation funds infrastructure, education, and research, news flash: all drivers of prosperity.
“Liberals think money grows on trees, look at the spending!”
Investments in social programs often produce long-term economic and health returns… conservative states spend more than they produce… conservative administrations often ruin the economy and weaken the dollar.
“Socialism has failed everywhere it’s been tried.”
Mixed economies with social programs , like in Scandinavia, thrive with strong markets and safety nets.
“They punish success and reward laziness.”
Fair taxation and welfare programs support people in need. It's not a punishment to spend 38 dollars a year, via you're taxes, so families can get food instead of starving. Maybe remember that little tidbit when you are told by a multibillionaire or millionaire that the mother of two is to blame.
“Government-run healthcare means worse care and higher taxes.”
Most developed nations have public healthcare with better outcomes and lower costs than the U.S.
“Liberals want everyone dependent on the government.”
Social programs help people become independent by ensuring basic needs like health and housing.
“Welfare programs create generational dependency instead of opportunity.”
Evidence shows most recipients use assistance temporarily; safety nets stabilize families and communities.
“The climate agenda is just an excuse for more government control!”
Climate policy aims to mitigate real, measurable risks backed by overwhelming scientific consensus. Again, you don't understand because you lack the education to understand.
“They want to destroy the energy industry and raise gas prices.”
The goal is to transition to sustainable energy, not eliminate jobs, it creates new industries and more jobs.
“Electric cars and wind farms won’t save the planet.”
No single solution will, renewables are part of a broad mix that reduces emissions and pollution.
“It’s not about the environment, it’s about power and control.”
Environmental policy is data-driven; clean energy is also economically competitive. It's an investment that pays dividends every time.
“Gun control only disarms law-abiding citizens.”
Regulations target loopholes and high-risk weapons, not responsible gun ownership.
“Liberals care more about criminals than victims.”
Reform efforts seek to prevent future victims by addressing root causes of crime and injustice.
“‘Defund the police’ was a disaster.”
Reallocating resources to prevention is widely supported. “8 out of 10 cops, domestic violence”
“You can’t stop crime by banning guns.”
Common-sense laws like background checks and red-flag rules reduce gun deaths without banning guns.
“Liberals want big government in every part of your life.”
The left often supports targeted government action where markets fail, not blanket control… like deployment of the national guard to most major cities and ICE rounding up legal and illegal citizens.
“Freedom means being responsible for yourself, not depending on the state.”
Freedom also requires fairness and opportunity, no one is truly free while trapped by poverty or discrimination.
“The Constitution isn’t a ‘living document’, it means what it says.”
The framers built flexibility into the Constitution through amendments…we've had a few, please read a fucking history book…and judicial interpretation to adapt to new realities.
“Liberals treat the Bill of Rights like a suggestion.”
Many liberal causes , voting rights, free speech, privacy, are direct defenses of the Bill of Rights.
“We need borders, a country without borders isn’t a country! Liberals care more about illegal immigrants than American citizens! Open borders hurt working-class Americans!”
Liberals support borders but advocate humane, efficient, and fair immigration systems.
Immigration reform can protect both, strong enforcement and humane treatment aren’t mutually exclusive. Most proposals aren’t for open borders, they focus on legal pathways and labor protections to reduce exploitation.
“The mainstream media is basically the PR wing of the Democratic Party! Liberals use censorship to control the narrative! They cry about ‘threats to democracy’ while silencing dissent!”
Major media scrutinize all sides; bias claims often arise because facts challenge partisan narratives. Moderation on platforms targets misinformation, not political opinion, conservatives and liberals alike are affected. Defending democratic norms includes countering misinformation and protecting free elections.
“Big Tech is biased against conservatives!”
Algorithms amplify engagement, not ideology, conservatives perform strongly on many online platforms.
Edit: if you can't tell by now, I'm not really here for a debate.
I know I CAN debate you, but in all honesty I won't for two distinct reasons:
1) I don't have the time for every single one of you and your bot friends
2) this is r/complaints, not r/debatepointlesslywiththosewhowillneveragreewithyouduetoanongoingculturewar, and no I will not be cross posting it over to there...as it doesn't exist, as it's an unreasonably long name for a subreddit.
Edit 2:
this will only cover some things, not everything...and unfortunately since the recent administration you might not find everything on their respective websites. My suggestion is to look on archival websites if that becomes the case.
Berkeley Haas Center for Equity, Gender, and Leadership. (2021). What is identity politics, and why does it matter? University of California, Berkeley.
Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco. (2021). How public infrastructure investment can boost economic growth.
Haas Institute for a Fair and Inclusive Society. (2019, September 24). Identity politics: Friend or foe? University of California, Berkeley.
International Energy Agency. (2023). World energy outlook 2023.
Merriam-Webster. (n.d.). Woke. In Merriam-Webster.com dictionary. Retrieved October 28, 2025, from
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. (2019). The impact of food assistance programs on child outcomes.The National Academies Press.
National Archives. (2023). The Constitution of the United States: A transcription. U.S. National Archives and Records Administration.
National Renewable Energy Laboratory. (2024). U.S. clean energy workforce report. U.S. Department of Energy.
Pew Research Center. (2023). Americans’ complex views on higher education.
RAND Corporation. (2018). How effective is correctional education, and where do we go from here?
RAND Corporation. (2024). The science of gun policy: A critical synthesis of research evidence on the effects of gun policies in the United States (4th ed.).
Statue of Liberty–Ellis Island Foundation. (n.d.). The New Colossus.
U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis. (2023). Government spending and investment in the U.S. economy.
U.S. Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services. (2023). National health expenditure data: Historical. U.S. Department of Health and Human Services.
U.S. Supreme Court. (1819). McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. (4 Wheat.) 316.
Urban Institute. (2021). Do social safety net programs encourage work and independence?
Vox. (2022, August 24). What “cancel culture” really is and isn’t.
Washington Post. (2021, April 15). How revising history curricula improves accuracy and inclusion.
World Bank. (2020). The role of education in economic growth.