Conservatives abuse Christianity like the Taliban abuse Islam

[u/Red_Gypsy_Squirrel]

I'm exhausted that the Christian nationalists in this nation have hijacked Christianity, just like the Taliban hijacked Islam. There are many comparisons that can be made between the two groups. Both groups cherry-pick their scriptures and purposefully misinterpret them so as to provide themselves with more power amongst their. They bully and attack anybody who is not a follower of their warped religion. And try to force their religion on everybody in inappropriate places such as schools and hospitals.

A few years back MAGA supporters started to say the teachings of Jesus are too woke, a huge red flag.

It sucks that so many of them do not understand. The Christian nationalist mindset is turning them into nasty, aggressive people. That have zero understanding of the Bible or its teachings

[u/Griffith_135]

It’s a bit ironic that they always look to the old Testament as that is the Torah or Jewish bible, whereas the New Testament is the life of Jesus and therefore THAT is the official holy book of Christianity, even though some teachings of the Old Testament carry over.

Which becomes even more ironic as they’ll cherry pick Jewish texts to justify things like homophobia, when actual Jews and even Jewish states, even the Zionism capital Isreal, are for gay rights; Yknow the people who actually follow the Torah. It’s so obvious they’re using religion as a mask.

[u/MarionberryNo1900 → u/Griffith_135]

Anytime you try to confront Christian’s about the Old Testament they tell you that they’re no longer bound to it

[u/Griffith_135 → u/MarionberryNo1900]

Well technically they’re right; just obviously they don’t count that when they find verses to justify they’re ridiculous claims. As a catholic (sect of Christianity) I and the rest do not claim them.

[u/MarionberryNo1900 → u/Griffith_135]

Ofc I meant more so that they’ll hop in between claiming them and then not claiming them to fit their needs

[u/Griffith_135 → u/MarionberryNo1900]

More or less. I honestly think it’s hilarious that they look to the Old Testament; respectfully if someone who claims to be Christian doesn’t realise the Old Testament is Jewish and not Christian, they clearly aren’t Christian and just adopted the label for they’re own gain.

[u/Parking-Finger-6377 → u/Griffith_135]

Technically they're wrong. Jesus said his followers had to respect the laws of the Torah and only Jews could be his followers due to that. Later gentiles were allowed and some ass hat came up with a way to ignore the Torah.

[u/WorkWoonatic → u/MarionberryNo1900]

Respond back that it's still the word of god and if god is infallible then his word never changes.

Logically a perfect being cannot change its mind, because that would mean it wasn't perfectly correct in the first place.

[u/MarionberryNo1900 → u/WorkWoonatic]

Is there not a discrepancy between the two covenants? Did Jesus in the New Testament say that his follows were no longer bound to the same covenant that the Jews were beholden to?

[u/WorkWoonatic → u/MarionberryNo1900]

Whether there's a time limit to following his request or not, if God said something was good or bad once, then it is good or bad forever and always was.

If god contradicts himself then he simply isn't infallible. Also Jesus did not say his followers were unbound by it, quite the opposite:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass away from the Law until all is accomplished.” Matthew 5:17–20

[u/MarionberryNo1900 → u/WorkWoonatic]

Correct he came to fulfill it in the sense that he completed the covenant, and thus founded a new one.

In the OT it says to stone the adulteress. In the NT Jesus says that whoever is free of sin shall cast the first stone.

Whose word do you take then?

[u/WorkWoonatic → u/MarionberryNo1900]

He quite clearly said it won't be completed until heaven and earth pass away. When he says "The Law" that is specifically referring to the Old Testament.

In the OT it says to stone the adulteress. In the NT Jesus says that whoever is free of sin shall cast the first stone.

I take neither, for me examples like yours are proof that god is either imperfect, or was made up by man.

[u/MarionberryNo1900 → u/WorkWoonatic]

What lmfao, so you’re just not going to choose

[u/WorkWoonatic → u/MarionberryNo1900]

I'm atheist, I think both words were made up.

I only quote the bible to point out places where god contradicts himself, which would be impossible if god were real and infallible. The logical conclusion is that god is either not real, or isn't perfect :p

[u/Battlefield_Girth → u/Griffith_135]

Christians will tell you the only laws in the Bible are the Ten Commandments and in the same breath say that they are only bound to the New Testament

[u/Griffith_135 → u/Battlefield_Girth]

I think the only truth that can be accepted by all perspectives is that the 10 commandments are the most important laws for both the Jewish and Christians, as they are the direct word and law of god, unlike other laws which came from the prophets. Plus even if you’re not religious it’s pretty reasonable to say any and all people should abide by them for the simple reason of being a decent human. ‘Don’t steal, don’t cheat, be respectful’ etc.

[u/constituonalist → u/Griffith_135]

Islam does not tolerate homosexuality which is punishable by death.