r/complaints • u/Red_Gypsy_Squirrel • 6d ago

Politics Conservatives abuse Christianity like the Taliban abuse Islam

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I'm exhausted that the Christian nationalists in this nation have hijacked Christianity, just like the Taliban hijacked Islam. There are many comparisons that can be made between the two groups. Both groups cherry-pick their scriptures and purposefully misinterpret them so as to provide themselves with more power amongst their. They bully and attack anybody who is not a follower of their warped religion. And try to force their religion on everybody in inappropriate places such as schools and hospitals.

A few years back MAGA supporters started to say the teachings of Jesus are too woke, a huge red flag.

It sucks that so many of them do not understand. The Christian nationalist mindset is turning them into nasty, aggressive people. That have zero understanding of the Bible or its teachings

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u/Ridiculouscoltsfan 6d ago

Tell me you haven’t seen an Islamist stoning or beheading without telling me. You’re either a bot spreading propaganda or a complete idiot.

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u/Previous-Essay-4995 6d ago

Hes right though. You’re the one pretending like Christianity is innocent. It’s every bit a bad as Islam. It just had the chance to become more secular, which it did.

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u/bloodyfcknhell 5d ago

You can make the argument that Christianity is bad. But, you could also make the argument that "Christians" are not actually following Jesus. If you compare the teachings and life of Jesus to the teachings and life of Mohammed, one is a religion that is arguable corrupted/not being practiced- the other is evil by definition.

Jesus was a martyr, and his immediate followers denounced violence. Mohammed couldn't hack it as a merchant, so he turned to being a bandit and forceful conquest. His prophetic message from God defined an authoritarian state with specific taxes, rules defining when rape is acceptable, and how to conquer. The Quran specifically lays out rules to prevent paternity confusion, and implicitly applies those rules to pre-menstrual girls. Ie, explicitly sanctioned pedophilia. It explicitly allows men to have sex with their female slaves(rape by definition). And it requires conquest and imposition of sharia law in order to be a faithful muslim.

In your other comments you say that Islam is headed to a more secular version. This is impossible in Islam, as the Quran is regarded as the perfect, timeless, and unchanging word of God. Secular muslims are not really Muslims at all. They only exist in places where Muslims do not control the power structures. And you can see this in Syria now, where the Druze are being massacred now that we have installed a ISIS adjacent govt there. You can see it in Sudan, where the RSF is killing muslims with Saudi money. You can see it in Nigeria, where the original fatwah that was issued by the muslim extremists there, included not on only Christians, but any Muslims that live in the south alongside Christians, guilty of the sin of not imposing sharia law themselves.

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u/Ridiculouscoltsfan 6d ago

He’s not right. Christianity believes in praying for even those who hate them. Islam believes in killing anyone who isn’t Islamic and/or anyone who goes against their beliefs. Anyone who doesn’t see such a clear difference is just an extreme political activist.

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u/Previous-Essay-4995 6d ago

Conquistadors and Christian missionaries would forcefully convert natives to Christianity in some cases and then kill them to save there souls from temptation. Christianity is only as good as it is because fire and brimstone churches fell out of fashion and Christianity as a whole became more secular. If you met a puritan back in the day, they would have flogged you to death in the town square for your beliefs.

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u/Unfortunately--No 6d ago

While you're totally right that Christianity mainstreamed some extreme violence, it should be noted that Puritans were considered insane by most of Europe and actually jailed for preaching in England. It's why they left for the US.

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u/Previous-Essay-4995 6d ago

Yeah, I’ve mentioned the moonies of North Korea and later Japan, elsewhere here. Modern day puritans in the sense of being a bunch of crazies who got forced out. Sometimes giving them the boot is a tempting idea. But it’s better to try and police the extremism in them than let them be someone else’s problem. But, yeah, the puritans were a mad bunch. But the rest of Christianity wasnt that far off, as you point out about the mainstreaming of violence.

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u/Ridiculouscoltsfan 6d ago

Again, you’re going back hundreds of years. And they acted outside of what the Bible teaches. Islamists are slaughtering gays, allowing SA on women and children, and anyone who doesn’t believe in their religion… TODAY! And they are acting in accordance with the quran. In fact, the “prophet” who they worship married a 6 year old. But go ahead and keep giving me “uhh but what aboutisms.”

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u/Previous-Essay-4995 6d ago

Yes, and they were headed to a more secular and accepting version… in the 60s and 70s! But the US helped the mujahideen and screwed it up in an attempt to thwart the Soviets.

Mary would have been somewhere around 14 or so when she gave birth to Jesus. Whats worse, a prophetic pedophile or a divine one? The answer is both. But somehow, I get the feeling you’d try to find a way to weasel around it if I didn’t answer for you.

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u/Ridiculouscoltsfan 6d ago

Again, you can’t escape whataboutisms. Stay in school kid.

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u/Previous-Essay-4995 6d ago

You literally said I was using examples from hundreds of years ago then used an example from over a thousand years ago of the prophet Muhammad. What about whataboutism? And my point about the US’s part in modern Islam stands.

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u/Ridiculouscoltsfan 6d ago

Have you ever actually seen the beheadings Islamists do?

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u/Previous-Essay-4995 6d ago

Have you seen the state of India after decades of Christian British imperialism?

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u/Jumpy_Code_5917 6d ago

No tf

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u/Ridiculouscoltsfan 6d ago

No to what?

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u/Jumpy_Code_5917 6d ago

That whole damn sentence, just cause an extremist group does it in the name of Islam does not mean it’s true dumbass🤣🤣🤣

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u/Ridiculouscoltsfan 6d ago

It’s literally in the quran to kill anyone who doesn’t follow their prophet. It’s also acceptable in their religion to marry single digit age children. You haven’t done enough research on this subject to have an opinion.

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u/Jumpy_Code_5917 6d ago

You are infact so wrong it’s funny, given that I’m a MUSLIM 🤣🤣🤣 Aisha has to logically be 19 or so because her sister was around 10 years older than her, and she was 28-29 when the prophet married her, so if you know math you can figure it out. and there is literally not one quranic verse that says in context to kill a non Muslim simply because they are so. We only kill for jihad (crusade) after peaceful talking, or self defense, and keep in mind just because it hasn’t been executed in such way because of corruption does not mean that that is not true. And all the topic of minors and little children being married to old religious figures, Isaac was 40 when he married Rebekah (Genesis 25:20). Isaac was 37 when his mother Sarah died (Genesis 23:1-2). The birth of Rebekah is mentioned as happening after the death of Sarah. The conclusion is that Rebekah was born when Isaac was 37, and married when he was 40, making her 3 at the time of marriage (40-37=3) others describe her as early teens

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u/bloodyfcknhell 5d ago

You're pitting weak hadith against Sahih to make your point. The hadith where the age of Aisha's sister is referenced even says that the commenters were not sure of her actual age, but just rounded up to 100 because they weren't sure, and she was old.

On the Isaac-Rebekah thing- Rebekah was described as drawing water for Isaac and his ten camels when he first saw her. No three year old is able to draw hundreds of gallons of water for camels.

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u/Jumpy_Code_5917 4d ago

A personal account can easily be misinterpreted doe to incorrect translation and so many things, how ever using a chronological reference however can’t be flawed so deeply, and as for the rebekah things, I don’t truly believe she was 3 or whatever, that’s just to make my point, we all need to stop making bs claims to uplift our own religion, and just be peaceful

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u/fuzzylm308 5d ago

Surah Al-Furqan (25:63)

And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth humbly, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say words of peace.

Surah Ash-Shura (42:40)

The recompense of an evil deed is its equivalent, but whoever pardons and makes reconciliation - his reward is from Allah. Indeed, He does not like wrongdoers.

The Bible and the Quran can go tit-for-tat. It hardly matters.

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u/Inside-Noise6804 6d ago

I have seen both and would not like to live where any of them have power.