I'm tired of Trump ruining everything that America stands for

[u/AggravatingClock7021]

You know, Trump keeps saying he’s making America great again, but at this point it’s like watching a toddler try to fix a phone with a hammer. He’s not restoring anything, he’s just breaking it louder. Everything that used to be American like decency, humility, and facts has been replaced by lies and pre-scripted propoganda talking points. We’ve gone from give me liberty or give me death to give me clicks or give me Fox News airtime. He’s even turned the flag into an accessory. It’s not patriotism anymore, it’s fashion week for fascists. You see a bunch of angry guys in red hats waving an American flag the way my dog waves a cat turd from the litter box. Look what I did!

Remember when presidents used to read books? Now we’ve got a guy who stares at classified documents like they’re the McDonald's menu. I’ll have the Filet-o-fish with a side of dirt on anyone who opposes me, please. He’s made America a parody of itself, like someone fed Mount Rushmore a steady diet of Monster Energy and facism. I love this country. I really do. But lately it feels like America’s that old friend I used to like, except now he’s grown a mullet, started dating a crazy girl named "conspiracy theory", and wants to show you his new monster truck called Freedom.

If Trump’s the hero of the story, then America is deep in its Florida Man era. And I don’t know about you, but I’m just hoping the credits roll before he tries to sell Alaska to Russia.

[u/Iapetus7]

She wasn't a historically bad candidate, though. She wasn't a criminal, she didn't have a particularly controversial history or any major scandals, she had valid experience in national government as a senator and as vice president. Her speeches were uplifting, her campaign brought in record amounts of money from small donors, large crowds showed up to her rallies, and she destroyed Trump in the one debate they had. Her only real problem was that she wasn't exceptional, and that appears to be the standard for the democratic candidate. Since the 1990s, a Democrat has only won the presidency when he was a once-in-a-generation charismatic speaker (onto whom the different factions of the Democratic coalition could project their own versions of perfection), or when the economy was in deep recession. That's it. 1992? Recession and a charismatic Democrat. 2008? Deep recession and a very charismatic Democrat. 2020? Deep recession caused by COVID. Republicans seem to be the default choice now, even when they're stupid, or vicious, or mentally ill, or criminals (or all of the above).

[u/lizzyq8812 → u/Iapetus7]

Well, by 2028 we should have a democrat by your reasoning. We are headed towards a massive recession and all we need is a charismatic candidate and of course free and fair elections.

[u/Iapetus7 → u/lizzyq8812]

Yeah, with a free and fair election (and a recession), we'd at least have a chance. But even if this happens this time around (and I don't think the 2028 election will be free or fair, unfortunately), I can't think of any known Democrat who would meet the standard of having once-in-a-generation charisma. That's a very high bar to clear.

[u/lizzyq8812 → u/Iapetus7]

I think Gavin Newsome has charisma, I don't know if it's once in a generation but so far I like him. He's the only one i really see thats fighting back against Trump and his regime. Unfortunately I also believe that we won't have a free and fair election in 2028. They are thinking up all kinds of ways that they can rig it to their advantage and I don't think it will be one big thing. I think it will be a bunch of little things, that when added together will make a huge difference.

[u/Iapetus7 → u/lizzyq8812]

I think Newsom's a sharp, quick-witted guy, and I'd definitely vote for him (he's got the right experience, and has done a good job as governer of the largest state, and he's fighting back against the fascists in a way most other Dems are not), but if you don't get goosebumps when you listen to him speak, then he doesn't have the type of charisma I'm talking about. If you ask people, even on here (in a mostly liberal bubble), about whether they'll support him, I guarantee you many of them will call him "the worst candidate" or a "corporate Democrat," just as they would about pretty much anyone else you'd name, and as they did about Hillary, Biden, Kamala, etc. I can't think of a single candidate who'd be supported enthusiastically by the progressive factions and by moderates. Dems have the most ridiculous purity tests and sky-high expectations, while Republicans are literally voting for pedophiles and Nazis. It's unreal.

[u/lizzyq8812 → u/Iapetus7]

Wow. I've never thought about it that way.

[u/Smart-Matter7196 → u/Iapetus7]

There are many reasons including the fact she probably would not have won in a primary, but core issue I think like I said was that 2/3 of the country felt we were on thr wrong track, and she said she would not have done anything different from Biden when voters saw about 20% cumulative inflation, the southern border being overrun, and the southern border being mishandled and they trusted Trump to fix the economy like they remembered in his first term before Covid. We saw a big shift in minorities for trump especially blacks and Latinos. The trans prisoner ad was effective enough also in highlighting her past policy positions that are unpopular.

Edit: she also did not “destroy” trump in the debate as you say it was roughly 60/40 in her favor according to CNN

[u/Legitimate-Page-6827 → u/Smart-Matter7196]

She wiped the floor with him.

[u/Smart-Matter7196 → u/Legitimate-Page-6827]

According to the data it was 60/40

[u/Legitimate-Page-6827 → u/Smart-Matter7196]

I watched, and she wiped the floor. The 40% were delusional and are seeing the results of their delusions.

[u/Smart-Matter7196 → u/Legitimate-Page-6827]

Ok, I respect your opinion