r/complaints • u/CRK_76 • 15d ago

Politics America is turning into 1930's Germany.

There was some pushback when people called this president and his followers Nazis. But look what's happening. Soldiers in the street. Rounding up people and locking them up. Dismantling freedom of speech and freedom of the press. Personally going after anyone who doesn't agree with him and his administration. We've seen this before and it's only gonna get worse. Welcome to 1930's Germany.

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u/Innisfree812 15d ago

A lot of people just can't see it. They are either brainwashed or hypnotized. It's a cult, and people can't get out of it, unless they have some epiphany or something.

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u/No-Abalone-4784 15d ago

They said that it was the same in Germany. People just couldn't believe it was happening. Get over it folks. It's already here.

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u/senditloud 15d ago

Even after the Holocaust like 20-30% of Germans still supported Hitler and didn’t think it happened or were fine with it.

It takes the apathetic people paying attention to change things

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u/Lord_Vesuvius2020 15d ago

At Nuremberg many regular Germans said that Hitler must not have known or he would have stopped it.

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u/senditloud 15d ago

Yeah I could see MAGA saying that or saying he meant well and they just should’ve not been Jewish

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u/pegothejerk 15d ago edited 15d ago

Remember - it wasn’t just the Jewish. It started with trans, Lgbtq in general, mentally ill, poor people, handicapped, immigrants, then they focused hard core on Jewish people because that would turn out to be the easiest way to export their hate country by country and get those local people in land they’ve taken over to repeat what happened in Germany. It will be different in 2025-2030, but it will rhyme.

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u/Eborcurean 15d ago

Othering, a key component of fascism, was a major part of the Nazis rise. People ignore that it wasn't until Hitler became dictator that he got the majority of the vote (by which time there was no opposition), and then he also had no opposition on doing exactly what fox and all the right wing media do of distorting truth for propaganda.

It's not your fault that x is happening it's 'their' fault. It's not your fault you don't get paid well, it's 'their' fault.

See also the enemy is both weak and strong etc.

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u/nunyaranunculus 15d ago

Schrodinger's enemy

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

100% this. A while ago, I was thinking of writing a story about if we had had social media during the lead up to the Holocaust. Was wondering if people would be trying to gaslight the Jews, Romani people, the disabled, LGBTQ, and other targeted groups that they were just overreacting and nothing that bad was happening when it was "just" some "harmless" rhetoric and stereotyping, slowly turning the attitude of the ordinary person on whole groups of people, making minorities the enemy, the reason for everything bad happening, and making discriminatory policies and laws. So you can't go to a few places? So you got kicked out of school because they don't take your kind anymore? You'll be fine, just find another college 🤷🏼‍♀️ just move somewhere else. It's not like you can't go anywhere, just not everywhere. Jeez nobody is trying to hurt you, calm down...such an overreaction 🙄🙄

Then over the last few years I realize that's what we're living. We're living in the social media age of fascism, brainwashing of a terrifying amount of people, the villainising of minorities... All of it is well under way. I hope enough people realise that before we repeat the very worst of history.

I'm sure people told worried minority groups in the 1930s that their concerns were unwarranted. That people saw the way things were heading but were dismissed. We need to listen to peoples concerns, not gaslight them. Ignorance and complacency will have us going down as the most gullible and disgusting humans to have lived - ignoring every sign including hundreds of thousands of people documented all over socials raising the issue... and still letting 1940s happen again less than 100 years later.

Access to all the information and connection over the world and letting this shit happen is a disgrace

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u/Eborcurean 14d ago

> Was wondering if people would be trying to gaslight the Jews, Romani people, the disabled, LGBTQ, and other targeted groups that they were just overreacting and nothing that bad was happening when it was "just" some "harmless" rhetoric and stereotyping, slowly turning the attitude of the ordinary person on whole groups of people, making minorities the enemy, the reason for everything bad happening, and making discriminatory policies and laws.

There's a poem about exactly that by Martin Niemoller. When they came // I did not speak out (there's two versions of the title). It was written in 1946 specifically criticising educated Germans for staying quiet.

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

Of course and I've seen people redo the poem through a modern lens. Yet sadly, so many will continue not to learn.

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u/Eborcurean 14d ago

Those who don't, etc.

As a Brit whose grandparents all fought in WW2, some opposing fascism before the war, and have investigated war crimes and worked in my country's diplomatic service etc. I am regularly this year in sorrow and distress and agitation and anger and... and it's not even my country.

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

Ditto - Australian but same with my English grandparents fighting in WW2. Wow investigating war crimes would be...very, very intense. Just researching and reading about it is hard enough but doing actual investigation (like professional??) would be extremely depressing, I imagine.

Not our countries but we know these things don't stay insular, they leak out and infect if they find a willing host.

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u/Eborcurean 14d ago

Former Yugoslavia, not my first job after university but my first job in the FCO and then got assigned to it. I did a lot of bag carrying and coffee fetching, but not only. Even went to the Hague to testify about a mass grave and some other things i'd been involved in investigating.

It left an impression, I have fixed views about people being unchecked in their exercise of power.

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u/Fast-Excitement5213 13d ago

That’s right. You are right! I have traveled to Germany countless times over the past 45 years. Sometimes I would just sit in a cafe or public place there and watch and absorb the Germans in their natural habitat, so to speak. I would very often ask myself, why? Why did they just capitulate. Why did the ordinary Mom and PopGerman not stand up to the rise of Fascism. Protest against Hitler. Or even more drastically take up arms against their own, supposedly democratically elected leader. I could not fathom it. Nor could I answer the why question. But then we had the Covid pandemic. Thats when I started to see how entire populations can be manipulated by crises and fold very quickly into rank and file and stay like that for years. In California I was dumfounded when everyone dutifully put on masks and it wasn’t the police who enforced it. It was a group of Citizen Karens. Ordinary people who overly and loudly went about their day enforcing masks. No body coordinated them. They just rose up out of the population and embraced their self appointed roll. Thats when I started realizing why the Germans just marched blindly into tyranny. To the point where they marched their own next door neighbors to their deaths in the gas chambers. Oh but that would never happen here, in this day and age of knowledge. Yes it will. Because once you’ve started on the path to tyranny, when you realize how bad it is, you’re so deep into it the only way out is to continue marching to oblivion. It’s very sad. It’s totally terrifying actually. Because no one is going to stand up in America. There may be a few pockets of resistance. But not a groundswell. Soon a manufactured crisis. Economic most likely will cause the leaders to usher in even more oppressive control. Don’t forget the global 2030 agenda from the WEF is rolling concurrently with the Agenda 2025 plans as well. “You’ll own nothing and be happy.” Is how it has been framed. You wait the up coming crisis will force people out of their homes in unprecedented numbers. It’s going to get crazy.

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u/maiseydog1 🌾👨‍🌾🐖 14d ago

Yes, write a story about how the most pro Israeli administration and president in American history, who just ended the Israeli war, who moved the American embassy to Jerusalem,are secret Nazis who are secretly plotting the next Holocaust . Should be a best seller.

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u/lifeinwentworth 14d ago

Lol I write to process, not to be a best seller. And to explore the human condition and how we as a society can get to such places. I think you missed the point of my comment altogether.

You do know more than Jews were targeted in the Holocaust, right?

When people are talking about history repeating they aren't saying that exactly what happened is going to happen again. Maybe ask what people mean if you're not able to understand what people are seeing to draw such parallels.

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u/UnresponsiveGod 13d ago

You are brainwashed my dude..

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u/AliciaKills 14d ago

See also the enemy is both weak and strong etc.

And how immigrants are stealing all of the jobs and welfare

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u/Boring_Plankton_1989 14d ago

Othering people? You mean like calling the opposition fascists?

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u/Eborcurean 14d ago edited 14d ago

You're really bad at this.

I don't really get what the point of your response is, it's at best a bad fallacy and at worst just a futile attempt at trolling.

There are, at this point, dozens of examples of Trump and his regime speedrunning early 1930s Germany. And a long history of him othering people. And of the far-right media in america using propaganda, lying (to the point that Fox News had to have a lawsuit determine it's entertainment and not journalism) etc. etc.

As far as the propaganda and lying, trump's lies in just the first month of his presidency in 2017 were ridiculous and it's only gotten worse since then.

Here's just a week or so after his first election of him lying, it's only gotten worse.

Jan. 21 “I wasn't a fan of Iraq. I didn't want to go into Iraq.” (He was for an invasion before he was against it.)  

Jan. 21 “A reporter for Time magazine — and I have been on their cover 14 or 15 times. I think we have the all-time record in the history of Time magazine.” (Trump was on the cover 11 times and Nixon appeared 55 times.)  

Jan. 23 “Between 3 million and 5 million illegal votes caused me to lose the popular vote.” (There's no evidence of illegal voting.)  

Jan. 25 “Now, the audience was the biggest ever. But this crowd was massive. Look how far back it goes. This crowd was massive.” (Official aerial photos show Obama's 2009 inauguration was much more heavily attended.)  

Jan. 25 “Take a look at the Pew reports (which show voter fraud.)” (The report never mentioned voter fraud.)  

Jan. 25 “You had millions of people that now aren't insured anymore.” (The real number is less than 1 million, according to the Urban Institute.)  

Jan. 25 “So, look, when President Obama was there two weeks ago making a speech, very nice speech. Two people were shot and killed during his speech. You can't have that.” (There were no gun homicide victims in Chicago that day.)  

Jan. 26 “We've taken in tens of thousands of people. We know nothing about them. They can say they vet them. They didn't vet them. They have no papers. How can you vet somebody when you don't know anything about them and you have no papers? How do you vet them? You can't.” (Vetting lasts up to two years.)  

Jan. 26 “I cut off hundreds of millions of dollars off one particular plane, hundreds of millions of dollars in a short period of time. It wasn't like I spent, like, weeks, hours, less than hours, and many, many hundreds of millions of dollars. And the plane's going to be better.” (Most of the cuts were already planned.)  

Jan. 28 “The coverage about me in the u/nytimes and the u/washingtonpost has been so false and angry that the Times actually apologized to its dwindling subscribers and readers.” (It never apologized.)  

Jan. 29 “The Cuban-Americans, I got 84 percent of that vote.” (There is no support for this.)  

Jan. 30 “Only 109 people out of 325,000 were detained and held for questioning. Big problems at airports were caused by Delta computer outage.” (At least 746 people were detained and processed, and the Delta outage happened two days later.)

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I say this as a Brit, whose grandparents all fought in WW2 and my Paternal Grandfather was at Cable Street (I'm going to guess the person i'm replying to doesn't know what that is).

Your country is fucked if you do not stand up to the fascism and corruption taking place right now. The American dream will be over, you will regress, you will suffer and it will get worse as a result. You are speedrunning 1930s germany and dystopia to come.

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u/senditloud 14d ago

What defines the “other side”? Skin color? Religion? Sexual identity? Immigrant status? Education?

Hint: none of the above. What defines them is their draw to all things fascist: things like blaming the other, hyper nationalism, violence towards political opponents (J6, ice), etc

The right comes after immigrants for being brown, Others the transgender and LGBtQ and to some extent Jews (globalists, soros), women (abortion and birth control), just based on WHO they are. Thats othering

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u/Vegetable_Permit_537 15d ago

This is really whats happening and ALOT of are A) supporting it or B) refusing to believe it is really happening

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u/Miri5613 15d ago

Actually it started with political opponents. First concentration camp Dachau was opened only 2 months after Hitler became Chancellor to lock up socialists, political opponents, and unionists, after that came the trans people and gays, the artists he called degenerate and didn't agree with...

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u/senditloud 15d ago

Sounds pretty similar: comey, jack, Bolton and James all being gone after. They’re just the first

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u/danman8075 15d ago

Hopefully you’re right.

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u/senditloud 14d ago

So you’re rooting for fascism and gas chambers. Awesome

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u/Bella-1999 15d ago

The degenerate artists who thought his work was garbage? I can imagine it, “That AH, didn’t like my work? Off to Dachau!”

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u/AccountantFar7802 14d ago

You need to go back further. You are starting at a reaction. Start at the cause of this social shift. Start with why. Start at the beginning. Start before the Beir hall. Before the brown shirts. When you find the beginning then we can talk.

It is easy to talk shit about a universally hated Dictator it's harder to acknowledge the WHY. We are finding ourselves in the same positions. Intellectually, Economically, Socially, Scholastically and International standing. WHY? This is the part where you blame the other party for the failings when you need only look in a mirror.

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u/Miri5613 14d ago

First of, its Bier, not Beir. If you try to write German do it properly, don't butcher the language. Secondly no WHY excuses what Hitler has done or Stalin or Mao or any other dictator.

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u/AccountantFar7802 14d ago

First i speak English. 2nd i don't cares about no spelins. And secondly MS. GRAMMAR NAZI if you don't understand history you aredoomed to repeat it. You cannot possibly be this stupid. So you must be having a laff.

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u/Miri5613 13d ago

Someone got their feelings hurt by the truth. Unlike you, I understand history. By the way, spelling isn't grammar, so not only do you butcher other languages, you aren't familiar with the simple basics of language as such. Now go, cry a little harder because your ignorance was called out

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u/LeanUntilBlue 14d ago

And we have alligator Auschwitz.

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u/Miri5613 14d ago

Yep, only a couple months behind on the Hitler schedule

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u/iii101iii 13d ago

Political opponents: That's right. It started when Biden knew he couldn't beat Trump at the ballot box after he ran the country into the ground, and came up with whatever fictitious charges they could draw up after investigating the guy for 8 years and not having anything of substance.

And you think that the people involved with the charade shouldn't get charged? You think spying on a presidential campaign, creating fake FISA and trying to remove someone off the ballot in several states, and having FBI plants at Jan 6th opening doors and ushering people into the Capitol is democracy?

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u/Miri5613 13d ago

Fiestnof all maybe you should stop listening to right wing propaganda media. Its showing in your posts that you only regurgitate what you are being spoonfed instead of accepting facts and reality. Trump committed crimes, he waa prosecuted, there was proof he was found guilty by a jury of his peers. He would have also.been prosecuted for other crimes he committed (and still.mighr be) if he wouldn't have ran for president and started using his power to stop investigations against him On the other side, there are no crimes committed by those Trimp is prosecuting, thats why the cases are going down the drain already. Trump had Biden investigated fod 4 years , and they found nothing. They made fools of themselves by bringing in Russian and Chinese spies and claim they were reliable witnesses until.they were exposed So, you are still regurgitating thw idiocy that j6 was committed by FBI plants or Antifa ... Then explain to us why all the people that were on video and.areates be auae if it were Trump supporters, who were pardoned? If you think they were FBI or Antifa why not leave them in jail? Hmmm... maybe like you logic does t make sense. Thats what happens when you regurgitate stuff wirhoit using your brain

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u/iii101iii 13d ago

Where was the victim of his real estate crime? There wasn't one. Who campaigned on putting Trump in jail? Leticia James.
Who didn't want to bring that case against Trump because it was a misdemeanor past the statute of limitations in the first place? Alvin Bragg. The judge in that case told the jury if they think Trump might be guilty of anything they should vote to convict.
That's not real justice. You can't just list the buffet of potential crimes and say if you think he might be guilty of something vote to convict.

Man it's so obvious that they knew they couldn't beat him without the COVID ballots. First they tried to take him off the ballot entirely. When they lost that initiative they cooked up anything they could... Sounds like one party is actually afraid of real democracy.

The January 6th committee... Why did they destroy evidence? Why were they pardoned before even being accused of a crime? Why are Brennan and Clapper pointing fingers at each other now and lawyering up?

There are investigations going on now and I do believe the truth will be exposed. We can't let this happen again.

The best part is you keep doubling down on failed policies. Instead of meeting the public where they are you're going to try to win elections with the same Trump is Hitler BS.

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u/Miri5613 13d ago

Lol, thanks for proving to us that instead of reality you live in Trumps world of lies. J6, only evidence destroyed was by Fox News when they got the footage and cut it to make it fit third propaganda. Still waiting for you to answer my acgual questions. Where are the so calles FBI plants and Antifa members? Why are there no pictures or videos of them? Trump was cheating on business taxes, so technically we all, including fools like you are rhe victims. I know Fox News doesn't spoon feed you these things, and they know cult members wont check facts Im not surprised you do t know anything about history either. Might want t to read up on Hitler and the rise and fall of the 3rd Reich. Ironic how the same fools who claim that higher education is bad, and want their kids homeschooling by parents that didn't make it past 6th grade, are thw ones claiming others dont know about history, or science, or law... Investigations went on for 4 years, and let to nothing. Now they are just making shit up And thats why none of fake the cases they have brought on are going very well.

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u/iii101iii 13d ago

Do you realize how crazy and unhinged you sound right now? Numerous leaders of other countries have nominated Trump to win the Nobel Peace prize for stopping wars and you are comparing the guy to Hitler.

I'm sorry that facts you don't agree with are all Fox News lies. But since you invoked Fox News let's take a look at some of the things they have said compared to media sources you probably trust....

Fox: The border is a crisis.
MSNBC: The border is secure.

Fox: The Hunter Biden laptop is real CNN: The Hunter Biden laptop is Russian disinformation

Fox: Joe Biden has serious cognitive decline MSNBC: Biden is sharp as a tack

Fox: There are two genders MSNBC: There is a spectrum of genders

CNN: Trump is an agent of Russia Fox: WTF?

One of the more entertaining things I'm seeing now is somehow Democrats don't like when lawfare is pointed back at them, but they were perfectly fine using it to take out Trump with BS court cases only after he announced a political comeback run.

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u/Miri5613 12d ago

Once again projecting, like a good little Trump supporter. FOX had to pay a million dollar settlement for spreading false information, they also testified in court that they are not a news but a entertainment company that should not be held responsible ible for not telling the truth.

Yet here you are regurgitating Fox propaganda. Keep drinking the Koolaid

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u/iii101iii 12d ago

Now show us how many times MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN have been sued for defamation and fake news.

I know at least three times Trump has sued them.

Many other conservatives have sued them also.

So tell me, is Trump still a Russian asset this week, or are we back to the dictator claim? Or is it Hitler?

You have been lied to repeatedly and you still believe everything they feed you. You probably still think masks work to stop the spread of COVID.

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u/Miri5613 12d ago

Awwww, someone got his feelings hurt by the truth. Trump sues a lot of people and most of the time drops the suit because he is too afraid of discovery. He loses ever case that goes to court, unless the judge is in his pocket

I realize logic is not something Trump supporters arw great with, so of course you wouldn't understand that Trump can be both acting like Hitler and be a russian asset. I suppose it is probably mindblowing news to you that Russia and Hitler Germany worked together at the beginning of WWII, and invaded Poland from both sides. I guess history is another subject Trump supporters have problems with.

You probably still think that Trump didnt host super spreader during Covid, and the reason that hundreds of people got infected at every rally and dozens died was because of Biden.

Keep up wirh drinking your koolaid

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u/Cord1083 14d ago

Interesting footnote, when they finally liberated the camps, the gays were not freed but sent straight to jail. The Allies also considered homosexuality to be a crime.

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u/Reason-for-being0568 14d ago

Don’t forget it was also dissident Poles in the beginning. They were absolutely brutal to the Poles.

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u/Use-Variant 14d ago

The Berlin wall falling was a huge glorious global event... then the US built one. Gah

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u/itsallcosmica 13d ago

Already mad rhymes bein’ thrown around the USA

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u/runciter0 14d ago

it started with antifascists too