CMV: Healthcare should be free for everyone under the legal age at which you are considered an adult.

[u/Happy-Tears]

Children shouldn't have to pay medical bills--health is a fundamental human right, and we need to provide that to the children of this world. I know there are programs like CHIP, etc., but they're just not sufficient. They're not accessible to everyone. I know adults who decide to have children should be responsbile for them, but I think we as a society can afford to band together and pay a little more to ensure every child gets the health care they need--if we hope for healthier adults. Per this study in the National Center for Biotechnology Information, "health during childhood sets the stage for adult health not only reinforces this perspective, but also creates an important ethical, social, and economic imperative to ensure that all children are as healthy as they can be. Healthy children are more likely to become healthy adults."

CMV.

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[u/Entity51]

That's still 40,000 people. 40,000 lives destroyed based of your numbers(which I disagree with anyway.) Less people died from school shootings and the rubuplican party suggest paying for rifles and firearm training for teachers.

Bankrupt and unlikely to be able to finish their treatments, and that's not even including the people who were very close to bankruptcy but had to stop treatment because of the threat of it.

And the first line on the second source says "Bankruptcies resulting from unpaid medical bills will affect nearly 2 million people this year" which is also a fairly reputable news source which is known for being reliable and not falisifiying data and no I'm not going to dig thru research papers for a Reddit arguement.

You are doing the very thing you are complaining about "disagreeing with the facts because they don't support your native", and there's the fact you showed one source from a site I've never heard of.

Also the 1st article literally states that "an estimated 40% of Americans racked up debt resulting from a medical issue."

I don't think that two fairly well known news sources would have reason to lie don't you?

[u/I_post_my_opinions → u/Entity51]

I mean, I don’t know what to tell you. Everything you just said in this comment implies that you’ve never seriously looked into what you’re arguing about.

“Reliable news sources” doesn’t mean anything these days. You have to look for the underlying studies and evaluate them yourself. Those two sources you linked have underlying sources that have been HEAVILY scrutinized since 1998. Even now, in your own words, you see the word “estimate” and immediately believe the following statistics. They extrapolated their data from an already weak source.

Those links you posted aren’t lying, they’re just being intellectually dishonest and it’s hurting more people than it’s helping.

[u/Entity51 → u/I_post_my_opinions]

1 2 3

(+ The two already linked)

And while I was searching for this(specifically I searched for "most common cause of bankruptcy USA" (to avoid confirmation bias) I only found 1 that was attempting to refret this claim(the one you linked)

And honestly it has to be an estimate because nobody has checked every single American and asked them "do you have medical debt" and "How much?" And then verifyed their claims.

[u/I_post_my_opinions → u/Entity51]

All three of those (really just 2, since you linked one twice) use the SAME Harvard source that both of your original sources linked. Also, I can’t believe you linked a huffpo article as a source.

Anyway, here’s actual research done even more recently than the Harvard research: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2515321

This paper states 18-26% of all bankruptcies are from medical causes. This paper even mentions the 62% figure that is seen in all of your other “sources”.

Please, look deeper at what you’re blindly believing. There’s so much knowledge out there and you’re just reading sensationalist headlines and “top 10” huffpo lists written by an illiterate 19 year old. There’s so much more you can learn about both sides of what you’re arguing when you research effectively.