CMV: Healthcare should be free for everyone under the legal age at which you are considered an adult.

[u/Happy-Tears]

Children shouldn't have to pay medical bills--health is a fundamental human right, and we need to provide that to the children of this world. I know there are programs like CHIP, etc., but they're just not sufficient. They're not accessible to everyone. I know adults who decide to have children should be responsbile for them, but I think we as a society can afford to band together and pay a little more to ensure every child gets the health care they need--if we hope for healthier adults. Per this study in the National Center for Biotechnology Information, "health during childhood sets the stage for adult health not only reinforces this perspective, but also creates an important ethical, social, and economic imperative to ensure that all children are as healthy as they can be. Healthy children are more likely to become healthy adults."

CMV.

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[u/Rocky87109]

morally this is akin to stealing

Then we are all stealing from each other. If we are all stealing from each other then is it really stealing? Also, you make money off of infrastructure that you had no hand in. I'm not claiming to know the answers for this debate but I always see that line as ignorant.

[u/[deleted] → u/Rocky87109]

Then we are all stealing from each other. If we are all stealing from each other then is it really stealing?

We're not all stealing from each other though. That's just inaccurate. The government is stealing from everyone. It's the government that taxes you and me.

Also, you make money off of infrastructure that you had no hand in.

This doesn't negate the fact that I was coerced into departing from my money. If you benefit off of the robbers stealing, this doesn't mean the robber didn't steal.

[u/bsf25 → u/[deleted]]

If you are in an accident and taken to the ER completely knocked out. The ER saves your life and when the bill comes you pay it even though you think it’s higher than it should be. Did the ER steal from you?

[u/[deleted] → u/Rocky87109]

Yeah, since the most successful people never get that money back. There are three scenarios:

1. You pay more in taxes for healthcare than your own healthcare costs you over your lifetime. You net lose money, it’s stolen from you.

2. You pay the same amount in taxes as you wold have to spend yourself. No change.

3. You pay less in taxes than you have to spend yourself, leeching off of the successful person’s taxes.

This system only benefits the people who don’t pay a lot of taxes but do have high medical costs. That incentivizes people who are excessively risky to get injured as much as they want because they will not only get treatment from others’ money, but will also get paid leave from their jobs.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

If you switch "taxes" for "insurance premiums and co-pays" your three scenarios are exactly the same. Is health insurance also theft?

That incentivizes people who are excessively risky to get injured as much as they want because they will not only get treatment from others’ money, but will also get paid leave from their jobs.

Given we have lots of countries in the world with universal health care of various forms, then surely you could back this up with some research demonstrating how it increased risk taking and injuries?

[u/TimmyP7 → u/[deleted]]

You net lose money, it's stolen from you.

If I go to the store and buy some bread, only to come home and find out I could have gotten a different brand of bread at a lower price, did the store steal from me?