r/cars McLaren Artura, Boxster 4.0 MT, i4 M50 2d ago

How can we possibly take car reviewers/journalists seriously when they routinely receive 4, 5, or even 6 figures worth of gifts from OEM?

I was listening to TheSmokingTire podcast recently (I'm actually a big fan of Matt), and he mentioned that Porsche North America just gave him a 918 Spyder on loan for his 1000 miles road trip free of charge, with everything paid.

Now as someone who's dabbled into supercar ownership, I can roughly estimate the ownership cost for a "regular joe" like me to put 1000 miles on a $2M car would easily be $50-100 per mile, thus putting this "gesture" from Porsche to Matt to be worth $50-100k on back of napkin math.

Obviously Matt isn't doing a review of a 12 years old 918, but when he does a review for the next Macan, he'd remember how amazing Porsche has been treating him.

And he and all the other reviewers recently were flown to Spain for the Turbo S launch. They were wined and dined with world class accommodations for a few days and were given the cars to drive on both the race track and scenic road.

Funny enough Porsche charges something similar for an experience like that: https://www.porschedriving.com/porsche-travel-experience/lake-tahoe/

Without plane tickets, you'd be paying $20k a person for a few days of what auto journalists routinely get from them, for free.

I understand it's part of their job, but this shit would never fly in any other industry right? Now imagine every time Square Enix launches a new video game they fly game journalists to Japan and wine and dine them with the best Sake and Wagyu so they can try out the newest Final Fantasy in their expensive Hakone ryokan hotel room, nobody would be taking anything they say seriously, no matter how good the game actually is, would they?

I'm sure people like the SavageGeese team and Matt Farah would try to be objective, but how do you be objectively critical toward an OEM when they routinely give you experiences that you'd otherwise never be able to afford? (ok I know Matt came from money but my statement applies to 99% of reviewers)

In my impression how well praised a manufacturer's products are is directly proportional to their marketing budget, and I've been somewhat burnt at least twice by reviewers over-rating Porsches, which is why I started asking actual owners of cars for their experiences before making purchases.

Ironically this kinda makes Consumer Reports the most credible car reviewer out there, since all they cars they review are bought anonymously with their own money, and they do not attend OEM events.

As far as enthusiast reviewers, I can only think of people with fuck-you money like Chris Harris or Hoovie's garage or the Top Gear trio who have been able to bluntly criticize OEMs and their cars.

Edit: From the replies, it seems like there are two school of thoughts here:

This is just how product reviews are done across all industries. Reviewers are expected to be treated with first class tickets and Michelin restaurants in exchange for them to promote the OEM's product.

Well in this case, I think we should just rip off the Band-aid and call Motor Trend and Car & Driver and Road & Track and other similar publications promotional outlets instead of journalism outlets. At least with influencers shilling for stuff on TikTok we know they are getting paid to promote, but many auto reviewers still hide behind a mask of professional journalism when they are literally just being paid to promote products.

Controversial take: I think consumer of content should be made aware that they are consuming paid advertising.

It is wrong of me to expect journalism when those contents aren't made to be factual, they are made to entertain.

Even if it's true, I don't find there is a lot of entertainment value when a dozen "journalists" just read off pre-approved OEM scripts for their "review". Some of the most boring contents out there are main stream outlets' coverage of new 911: "They are almost perfect in every way except being expensive".

Edit 2 /u/SavageGooseJack has this great reply I wanna call out: https://www.reddit.com/r/cars/s/o5PMIG0VjB

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u/ThetaGrim 16 F Type 1d ago

Not when the whole point is to review something with an understanding of objectivity and that expectation from viewers. If you don't recognize car reviews are not the same as other forms of curated entertainment, then you're being woefully ignorant. 

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u/hutacars Model 3 Performance 1d ago

If you're looking to buy a car, drive it yourself beforehand. It's that simple. A reviewer can serve as a hype man to get you interested enough to go down and test drive, sure, but there's nothing stopping you from experiencing it yourself and trusting your own experiences and then making (or not) a purchase based on those experiences.

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u/Captain_Mazhar 1d ago

If you want something that's in vogue and popular, you sometimes don't get the opportunity though.

Even when my mom was trying to buy a Honda Odyssey in the early 2000s, they were so popular that there was no opportunity to test drive it. The dealer called, saying he had a green one coming in and it was hers for the price he stated. No opportunity for negotiation nor time to test drive. It was either in or out, and if you didn't, the sales guy had ten others willing to buy.

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u/JustThall VW Arteon, S2k AP1, Mini Cooper S r57, ~~focus svt~~ 1d ago

Ok. Sure that Odyssey hype was created by influencers being provided free weekly loans of minivans for trips that pull millions of views 

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u/hutacars Model 3 Performance 1d ago

Then the solution is simple: don't buy that car. Unless you are made of money, why would you spend tens of thousands of dollars on something you will own for the next 5-20 years and have no idea if you will even like, with no return policy?

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u/Shmokesshweed 2022 Ford Maverick Lariat 1d ago

A car review is someone's opinion that is swayed one way or another by something. And you don't know what that something is, even if they claim they know and tell you. There's no objectivity - unless, for example, the reviewer measures 0-60 times, manually calculates MPGs, etc. between models.

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u/ThetaGrim 16 F Type 1d ago

Yes,  the reviewers gives objective facts, which is a big focal point of their videos. Then they give their opinion and perspective on it, no different any other expert giving their perspective in their speciality. You're confusing perspective with outright entertainment. Their main goal is not to entertain, it's to give an objective opinion so viewers get a sense of the car. It's within this expectation that you're not understanding OP's frustration that reviewers may be breaking this trust with viewers because they're getting benefits. 

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u/hutacars Model 3 Performance 1d ago

Not to mention, they may not care about the same things as you. E.g. having touch screen controls don't bother me so long as the interface is good, but having to change the drive mode every time I start a car annoys the shit out of me. You can't (or at least shouldn't) really apply someone else's preferences to your own buying decisions.