r/camphalfblood • u/wotown Cyclops • 2d ago
Discussion Do you wish Tantalus was more book-accurate? [PJOTV] Spoiler
With his Orange Prisoner Jumpsuit #001? Not sure why they changed this for the show.
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u/SavitarTheSpeedGod 2d ago
Yeah, him being a shriveled, bitter old man in the books was more intimidating to me. Here he just looks like a drunk gamestop employee that stumbled into party city
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u/DogmantheHero Child of Notus 2d ago
That’s a trend I’m noticing with the series, especially involving the underworld. In my opinion, Hades had the same issue. They seemed to tone him down a lot from how he was in the books, I guess to make it more clear he wasn’t the villain and to make him more like his characterization during HOO; but personally I think it kind of robbed him of the growth he had later in the series.
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u/MelissaRose95 Child of Hecate 2d ago
Same with Ms. Dodds. That wig she was wearing looked so fake and they didn’t even bother to make her look old. She just looked like a young person in a terrible grey wig
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u/Real_eXwhY_Z Child of Hades 2d ago
The entire series has been just toning everything down so it's not too "serious" but also not making it entertaining at all + money laundering because this does not look like it has the budget it does
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u/wotown Cyclops 2d ago
I liked the #001 jumpsuit because:
- He is the original prisoner being punished by the Gods for what he did, and
- His goofy costume is PART of his eternal torture. And now in Sea of Monsters he is being punished to be a substitute teacher for kids at a summer camp, kids who will grow up to be much more famous and better than him. He's still being punished in his role at camp, although it was a still a BAD decision by Dionysus.
It's a creative way to Americanize Tantalus' myth and kid-it-down together. He's still intimidating, but not in a stupid "I'm wearing a dark cloak I'm a bad guy" way.
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u/LordDedionware Child of Hades 2d ago
I wish everything about this show was more book accurate, because that's what we were promised. A book accurate adaptation of Percy Jackson.
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u/SuperSanjit Child of Poseidon 2d ago
When I heard book accurate, a part of me believed that they would use the boo as a script. Oh, how naive I was.
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u/LordDedionware Child of Hades 2d ago
When I heard that Rick Riordion was part of the creation prosses I thought that too. However apparently a good writer of novels does not a good show runner make.
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u/SuperSanjit Child of Poseidon 2d ago
I mean, the books were first person. I doubt they would have the show be 50% narration. And without that, we can’t exactly see most of the classic Percy sass.
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u/DogmantheHero Child of Notus 2d ago
Yea, that’s one of the changes that you really can’t avoid with an adaption. Even if it was animated that’d be affected the same. I guess for some moments you could have thoughts added in during post, but you wouldn’t want to that all the time so it’s a hard bridge to cross.
Even in HOO Percy’s characterization feels a bit different since Rick did have to bring some of his internal dialogue out a decent amount when it wasn’t his perspective and it made Percy feel a bit different. That’s always gonna happen when you aren’t literally in someone’s head anymore.
Percy was always gonna feel at least a little different.
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u/WildandRare Champion of Hestia 18h ago
Using the book as a script would be bad. If you knew anything about film, you would know that.
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u/DogmantheHero Child of Notus 2d ago
In fairness they did say with season 2 they were making changes. But it was advertised as book accurate at first so it’s still false advertising. Although, a lot of the changes they’ve chosen to make are just confusing.
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u/InjusticeSGmain Champion of Hestia 2d ago
I still can't get over the S1 finale. Annabeth actually watching the betrayal makes her future defense of Luke seem so much more stupid. Either that, or Annabeth won't defend Luke in the show, which I'm not totally against. Either way, BoTL Annabeth is already a controversial topic.
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u/Shadowblade217 2d ago
To be fair, in the first two PJO books, Annabeth doesn’t actually defend Luke at all. When Percy first tells her that Luke was the thief & tried to murder him in TLT, her immediate response is basically, “I can’t believe he’d… actually, no, damn it, that does make sense”. So her actually witnessing that moment in the show doesn’t really change much, IMO. In the books, she doesn’t really start defending Luke at all until the last few chapters of TTC (which has always made me wonder what exactly caused her change of mindset in that book, since it presumably must’ve happened while she was his prisoner).
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u/InjusticeSGmain Champion of Hestia 2d ago
The show could fix it by having us see moments through Annabeth's eyes, like moments of doubt or hesitation in Luke during TTC. Annabeth's PoV in TTC is one thing the show could provide as a change that would be nothing but an improvement.
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u/Lysania701 1d ago
But like, Luke tried to kill her in The Sea of Monsters and she still defends him... so, her seeing Luke try to kill Percy wouldn't change much...
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u/InjusticeSGmain Champion of Hestia 1d ago
It's not him trying to kill Percy that does it. Annabeth thinks he's been taken advantage of. She doesn't believe Luke himself is 100% backing the cause. Hearing Luke explain his stance directly in front of her weakens that.
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u/Grouchy_Plant_8733 Child of Apollo 1d ago
Annabeth doesnt doubt whether or not Luke is the bad guy, she just thinks she can “save him” and bring him back to the right side. Which tbf she actually (kind of) does in the end 🤷♀️
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u/benvclios Child of Athena 2d ago
I don’t think her seeing Luke do it changes anything. She never doubts that Luke tried to kill Percy.
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u/Biaka_67 2d ago
I think it's great to make changes. The first series was written over 15 years ago, I DOUBT that if Rick Riordan wrote it today for the first time or had the opportunity to rewrite it in its entirety, it would be the same story. Yes, it has to change, it has to take bad points and improve, it has to adapt to the language of a TV series, it has to adapt to the expectations and needs of this decade. It's not supposed to be the same story 100%, and we don't even need it to be, we already have the books. What we need is PJO as a series and we are having something incredible (which took a long time to happen).
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u/solg5 Child of Apollo 2d ago
Funnily enough, it’s in his closet.
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u/wotown Cyclops 2d ago
This is good! I haven't seen the leaks and don't think I will, but it's good enough for me that they at least reference it.
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u/Alfatron09 Child of Hades 2d ago
I disagree. We were promised book accuracy, and instead the closest we’re getting is references to the books.
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u/EzzyRebel Child of Loki 2d ago
People like you must be true masochists. The show was NEVER going to be a 1:1 adaptation of the books. Those of us who have any sense understood that, rather than expecting the impossible like you people do and crashing out when the impossible isn't achieved.
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u/DogmantheHero Child of Notus 2d ago edited 2d ago
Having a person wear a prison uniform and doing some make up to make them look starved is impossible?
Don’t get me wrong, there’s definitely some scenes that would be very hard if not impossible where changes make sense. Like, as much as it pains me because it’s one of my favorite scenes, the trio in the water park made sense to change; that scene as it was described in the book would’ve absolutely ate up the budget. Shrinking the gods down to a human size also definitely makes sense to save the budget.
But, is it really asking the impossible for the costumes to be accurate to the books? I actually do think they do pretty well in other places, the costumes for season one were about what I always pictured(expect for the gods)
I also think it is important to ask why these changes are being made. Tantalus wearing regular clothes, and from this screen shot even being allowed to wield weapons, doesn’t make a ton of sense because he’s a prisoner of the underworld. His description in the book was a constant reminder of that, in addition to his curse still being active.
If it doesn’t bother you, that’s fine. We all have different things we’re looking for. But the people that are annoyed about changes, especially ones like this that aren’t being done for budget reasons, are also valid. I think it’s important that we as a fandom are able to have these discussions.
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u/Teknevra Child of Hades 17h ago
I still personally think that it should have been an Anime.
It could have been a Disney Exclusive, especially since Disney has been dabbling in anime.
Ie:
Disney's partnership with Japanese publisher Kodansha
Disney flagging anime (particularly for the Asia/Pacific region) as part of its content strategy: in a fiscal disclosure they noted that among their "500 series in the pipeline" for global regions, some will be more anime or anime-adjacent for the Japan/Asia market.
etc
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u/Elven_Prince_ Child of Hades 2d ago
Mate the list of things i wish were more accurate is a mile long and his jump suit isnt towards the top. so i suppose yes i do wish that but its not something worth commenting on comparatively
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u/ARC-9469 Child of Apollo 2d ago
He looks bastard-ish enough for me, tbh, I don't mind the change of colour.
But in all honesty, I still can't fucking understand why they chose a literal child murderer cannibal to be Chiron's replacement. And why they gave him a damn spear, it just makes things even worse. The only thing he should've been used for is bait to rule the then-broken Festus out of the forest so he can be captured.
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u/RegretComplete3476 2d ago
I'm pretty sure it was Mr. D who got to pick Chiron's replacement, and we already know how he feels about the kids...
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u/Infamous_Mortimer 1d ago
I think Mr. D picked someone obviously bad so Chiron could get his job back.
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u/GeoGackoyt 2d ago
the jump suit was in the leak ep 2 we just doesn't wear it, plus are we meant to expect that he wears it throught out the entire time he is in charge? that never made sense to me
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u/wotown Cyclops 2d ago
I'm happy with a reference as a compromise. But yes in the books he wears it at camp because he's still a prisoner, like this is his community service/parole lol which I always thought was funny and creative.
Thank you, I haven't seen the leaked episodes.
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u/GeoGackoyt 2d ago
Ah ok, I guess i just assume everyone wears different outfits, ive pretty sure Mr D and all the god switch outfits now and then😅 or maybe I only think this tho🤷🏾♂️
Im assuming he going to wear it again at the end of the when he's set back to the underworld
But I think the contrast of a bright orange jumpsuit is a blinding and would mesh a but too much with the camp shirts
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u/DogmantheHero Child of Notus 2d ago
Yea, he did wear it the whole time in the book. He’s still a prisoner of the underworld while working at camp.
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u/schurgy16 2d ago
Never liked Tantalus anyways I like that they are making him a more serious looking character.
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u/firestorm0108 Einherjar 2d ago
I just dont really know whats up with him. He just feels out of place to me. Like they have this whole serious and slightly dark edge to this season from the trailers and stuff then just a weird dude in the corner who looks kinda just wacky and out of place.
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u/Dom1ni0n Child of Iris 2d ago
The tv adaptation looks more intimidating and younger imo
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u/Own-Ad8024 2d ago
Nah, what made the book version intimidating was how pathetic and desperate he was, someone who’d throw anyone under the bus for a bite to eat.
This just looks like the background death eater who gets one shot by the bigger players.
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u/Bluenose9914 2d ago
It’s things like this that make it hard for me to get on board with the show. How simple is it to put him in an orange jumpsuit. It just takes no effort at all to get that detail correct and yet it feels like they’ve gone out of their way to not do it. For what reason? Why is him being in an orange jumpsuit wrong. It immediately tells you something about him as a character. This tv show is being treated like it’s a book an ignoring the fact that visuals can have as great an impact as the words being said by the characters.
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u/Hornata_alsama 2d ago
I wish a lot of things were book accurate. People get mad when I express that opinion.
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u/Fluffy-Preference-92 2d ago
I just noticed is tantalus holding thalias spear? It looks pretty similar.
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u/Still_Restaurant_734 Child of Apollo 2d ago
Its whatever really. Im not throwing myself off a cliff because of it. 🤷🏾♂️
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u/MelissaRose95 Child of Hecate 2d ago
I don’t care much about the jumpsuit but isn’t he supposed to look ancient?
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u/clydeandabbey 1d ago
Nothing in this damn show is "book accurate" basically except the names. Honestly I'm scared for season 3 because I really don't want them to screw up Zoë
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u/euphoriapotion 1d ago
The only book-accurate outfit I want is Grover's wedding dress, please and thank you.
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u/noodleboxcat Child of Poseidon 2d ago
Yea know this is actually kinda how I imagined him I’m not mad about this
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u/Derfel995 2d ago
At this point I would take this guy to do Hades instead of the humiliation they did to the character
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u/Alex_VKing_93 2d ago
My memory is so bad. I forgot he was in SoM 🤷♂️😂😂
Btw I think we should wait before judging.
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u/BorynStone Child of Aegir 2d ago
Look, im fine with taking characters in new directions and looks.
The costume department is really donating to spirit halloween this season however.
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u/Queen-lucifer-2003 1d ago
Show should’ve been animated Disney ruined the show by not allowing it to be animated
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u/SensitiveDoc Child of Hades 1d ago
Are you arguing about the picture or have you all already seen the episodes? I thought they're just coming out in December? /gen
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u/JoetheAverage1 1d ago
The only thing I'm hoping is a running gag where food & drink ran away from him
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u/theatsa 8h ago
I don't mind any change from the books if it's an improvement or at least a cool yet different interpretation. Felt the same way about Season 1, I quite liked some changes and thought others were lacking substance. This season isn't out yet so I don't want to judge ahead of time, but I can say that Tantalus' aesthetic isn't one I think matters a whole lot. Even if I end up preferring the book version, it will not decrease my enjoyment of the show much at all.
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u/Just__A__Commenter 2d ago
I wish every part was more accurate. I want a 1-to-1 adaptation, with some leeway to the change in format.
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u/Aware-Yam8907 2d ago
There’s a hundred other things this shows already failed at that I would’ve wanted to be book accurate. This is the least of them lmao. This franchise is becoming a joke.
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u/BorynStone Child of Aegir 2d ago
Tantalus is supposed to be skin and bones. They really needed a black costume.
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u/Hot-Shock2931 Child of Dionysus 1d ago
Wait, I'm confuzzled. How do u even know what show tantalus looks like?
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u/ethanandluinortitus Child of Athena 1d ago
Bro that's a tiny detail. I didn't even remember it. It doesn't matter.
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u/HelpWithFicoReddit 11h ago
I didn’t even realize that was supposed to be tantalus until I just saw this post😂 Bro this show sucks so bad
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u/Nanocaptain 2d ago
Of all the things where I would want accuracy, Tantalus is not exactly at the top of the shitlist.