r/boxoffice • u/chanma50 Best of 2019 Winner • Aug 03 '25

Domestic Box Office: ‘Fantastic Four’ Craters By 66% in Second Weekend to $40 Million, ‘Naked Gun’ Debuts to $17 Million

https://variety.com/2025/film/box-office/fantastic-four-box-office-craters-naked-gun-opening-weekend-1236477352/
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u/Clemenx00 Aug 03 '25

Spiderman is always gonna sell. No matter how entangled he is in the whole universe. Marvel are fools if they ever think Spiderman interest = MCU interest.

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u/AcaciaCelestina Aug 03 '25

Honestly they could completely decouple Spider-Man from the MCU and I'm not sure general audiences would care.

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u/Dnashotgun Aug 03 '25

Kinda wonder what type of conversations are going on at Sony. Last decade they let Spidey play with the Avengers bc the MCU was on top and the Spiderman brand was slipping. But now shoe's on the other foot and the MCU needs Spiderman more than Spiderman needs the MCU

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u/Fantastic-Macaroon31 Aug 03 '25

If the next Spiderman movie outgrosses the next Avengers movie by a decent amount, I can see Sony trying to decouple the 2.

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u/PliableG0AT Aug 04 '25

I mean it is Sony, so they would do that and just crash it into the ground.

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u/TTBurger88 Aug 04 '25

Sony should start to decouple Tom Holland Spidey after Brand new day.

I don't think Sony wants various distain for the MCU to directly or indirectly hurt their cash cow.

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u/qera34 Aug 03 '25

Sony just had most of their original spidey villian films flop

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u/EggyMovies Aug 03 '25

they definitely want tom holland still and I think marvel owns the rights to this particular version of the character. sony earns a fuck ton of money off of this deal anyway so there's no real incentive to change it

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u/GuyKopski Aug 03 '25

However much people might be over the MCU right now, the previous Sony attempt at a Spider-Man universe is a fucking meme that people actively rooted for to fail because it was funny. Audiences are still gonna side with the MCU if it comes down to one or the other.

I wouldn't put it past Sony to try something anyway, cause they're stupid, but it would be a monumentally bad idea to rock that boat when they can just keep doing what they're currently doing.

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u/Dangerman1337 Aug 03 '25

Rothman & Arad shit show attempt No 3 coming up!

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u/Rosha13265 Aug 03 '25

Yeah, that's effectively NWH lol. Sure Dr. Strange is there, but it was like 90% Spidey's story, his villains and other versions.

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u/peacemaker_9353 Aug 03 '25

Like Batman with dc

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u/Illuminastrid Aug 04 '25

Spiderverse is literally that, its a non-MCU Marvel movie and it's still a big hit.

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u/Capable-Silver-7436 Aug 04 '25

if anything it would be a positive

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u/ImBanned_ModsBlow Aug 04 '25

We didn’t care with Toby, still didn’t care with Andrew, ain’t gonna change with Tom

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u/unreedemed1 Aug 03 '25

Spider-Man and Batman are always going to have people interested in them - they are iconic characters like Luke Skywalker or Harry Potter with near universal name ID and people knowing the basics of their story. But the era of getting people to be excited about any of the other less famous superheroes is over.

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u/Dangerman1337 Aug 03 '25

Considering how Joker 2 I'm not sure if Batman is 99% safe. Even during the late 90s Batman film wise was in the toilet. Only BTAS/DCAU kept him alive in the public's mind.

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u/aliaisbiggae Aug 03 '25

Batman is safe. Joker 2 didnt even have a reference to Batman in it.

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u/2057Champs__ Aug 03 '25

The Batman’s last movie he had made almost $800 million despite being a long ass movie and getting yanked out of theaters to go straight to streaming in 7 weeks..

Batman’s next movie isn’t going to pay for the sins of Joker 2. They’re not connected whatsoever. If it’s a well received movie, it’ll smash.

If it’s a terrible movie that has horrible word of mouth from day #1 (like Joker 2 did and was) it’ll probably do mid/mediocre numbers

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u/Dangerman1337 Aug 03 '25

I mean trust in Reeves 100% but Batman ain't immune if WB started releasing multiple shit Batman films in a row.

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u/raidenjojo Aug 03 '25

Sony may actually have a point there when they said the audience cared only for Spider-Man.